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  • Countries in UEFA:

    Albania Andorra Armenia Austria Azerbaijan Belarus Belgium Bosnia-Herzegovina Bulgaria Croatia Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark England Estonia Faroe Islands Finland France FYR Macedonia Georgia Germany Gibraltar Greece Hungary Iceland Israel[n 6] Italy Kazakhstan Latvia Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Moldova Montenegro Netherlands Northern Ireland Norway Poland Portugal Republic of Ireland Romania Russia San Marino Scotland Serbia Slovakia Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey Ukraine Wales
    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #46

    @gftchris said:

    Countries in UEFA:

    Albania Andorra Armenia Austria Azerbaijan Belarus Belgium Bosnia-Herzegovina Bulgaria Croatia Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark England Estonia Faroe Islands Finland France FYR Macedonia Georgia Germany Gibraltar Greece Hungary Iceland Israel[n 6] Italy Kazakhstan Latvia Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Moldova Montenegro Netherlands Northern Ireland Norway Poland Portugal Republic of Ireland Romania Russia San Marino Scotland Serbia Slovakia Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey Ukraine Wales

    The nations in bold are in fucking Asia. Can't these guys read a map?

    And the Faroe Islands? Gibralter? Those are like declaring Hilton Head and Martha's Vineyard as separate nations. WTF?

  • The current world top 31 ranked countries are made up of 3 african teams, 3 teams from north/central america, 6 south american teams and 19 european teams. The next 31 ranked countries have 8 African teams, 4 Asians, a couple from north/central america, 3 from S. America, and another 12 from Europe.

    So why exactly should the other continents get an equal amount of teams there?

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @gftchris said:

    The current world top 31 ranked countries are made up of 3 african teams, 3 teams from north/central america, 6 south american teams and 19 european teams. The next 31 ranked countries have 8 African teams, 4 Asians, a couple from north/central america, 3 from S. America, and another 12 from Europe.

    So why exactly should the other continents get an equal amount of teams there?

    So, I guess what I say is correct. Soccer is merely a regional sport.....Europe and SA.

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #48

    I showed you the map, that's not true. Its the most popular sport in the world.

    The tactics in hockey and soccer are very different, unless you're just looking at it from an incredibly high level. This belief again just plays in to you just not knowing what you're talking about.

  • I showed you the map, that's not true. Its the most popular sport in the world.

    The tactics in hockey and soccer are very different, unless you're just looking at it from an incredibly high level. This belief again just plays in to you just not knowing what you're talking about.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #49

    @mld-woody said:

    I showed you the map, that's not true. Its the most popular sport in the world.

    The tactics in hockey and soccer are very different, unless you're just looking at it from an incredibly high level. This belief again just plays in to you just not knowing what you're talking about.

    It is not the most popular sport at all in the two largest Democracies in world....the USA and India.

    And yes, I AM looking at the two sports from a high level. Because the purpose of the game is to play on a rectangular field and to put a biscuit in a basket, the methodologies of doing so..as I said, the passing, the spacing, are all very similar. Soccer is played on a larger surface and you cannot use your hands, but the maneuvering to get into position to score are quite similar.

  • @gftchris said:

    Countries in UEFA:

    Albania Andorra Armenia Austria Azerbaijan Belarus Belgium Bosnia-Herzegovina Bulgaria Croatia Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark England Estonia Faroe Islands Finland France FYR Macedonia Georgia Germany Gibraltar Greece Hungary Iceland Israel[n 6] Italy Kazakhstan Latvia Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Moldova Montenegro Netherlands Northern Ireland Norway Poland Portugal Republic of Ireland Romania Russia San Marino Scotland Serbia Slovakia Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey Ukraine Wales

    The nations in bold are in fucking Asia. Can't these guys read a map?

    And the Faroe Islands? Gibralter? Those are like declaring Hilton Head and Martha's Vineyard as separate nations. WTF?

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
    #50

    @the-gipper said:

    @gftchris said:

    Countries in UEFA:

    Albania Andorra Armenia Austria Azerbaijan Belarus Belgium Bosnia-Herzegovina Bulgaria Croatia Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark England Estonia Faroe Islands Finland France FYR Macedonia Georgia Germany Gibraltar Greece Hungary Iceland Israel[n 6] Italy Kazakhstan Latvia Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Moldova Montenegro Netherlands Northern Ireland Norway Poland Portugal Republic of Ireland Romania Russia San Marino Scotland Serbia Slovakia Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey Ukraine Wales

    The nations in bold are in fucking Asia. Can't these guys read a map?

    And the Faroe Islands? Gibralter? Those are like declaring Hilton Head and Martha's Vineyard as separate nations. WTF?

    Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan - doesn't matter, they wouldn't qualify anyway. I'm not sure why it's split up like this, but the countries have to apply to join the confederation, and so obviously they did and their application was successful.

    Israel - joined UEFA because matches with neighbouring Asian countries were becoming highly political, with lots of violence surrounding them.

    Turkey - has always been the bridge between Europe and Asia. Could go either way, they chose Europe - probably due to the improvements in their game that would come with playing against a higher standard of competition, is my guess.

    Cyrpus - half greek, half turkish. So half european, half half-european-half-asian (and just a tiny bit British) - 75% european.

    If Martha's vineyard declared independence from the USA, became a sovereign state in its own right, it would have a football team that could compete in the world cup qualifying.

  • @mld-woody said:

    I showed you the map, that's not true. Its the most popular sport in the world.

    The tactics in hockey and soccer are very different, unless you're just looking at it from an incredibly high level. This belief again just plays in to you just not knowing what you're talking about.

    It is not the most popular sport at all in the two largest Democracies in world....the USA and India.

    And yes, I AM looking at the two sports from a high level. Because the purpose of the game is to play on a rectangular field and to put a biscuit in a basket, the methodologies of doing so..as I said, the passing, the spacing, are all very similar. Soccer is played on a larger surface and you cannot use your hands, but the maneuvering to get into position to score are quite similar.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
    #51

    @the-gipper said:

    It is not the most popular sport at all in the two largest Democracies in world....the USA and India.

    And yes, I AM looking at the two sports from a high level. Because the purpose of the game is to play on a rectangular field and to put a biscuit in a basket, the methodologies of doing so..as I said, the passing, the spacing, are all very similar. Soccer is played on a larger surface and you cannot use your hands, but the maneuvering to get into position to score are quite similar.

    If you're looking at it like that, then soccer, hockey, basketball, netball and quidditch are all the same sport, while you have another group of gridiron football, rugby and ultimate frisbee.

    There are crossovers between basically any sport in terms of high level tactics - move the ball/puck/frisbee around to move the defence around, wait until it loses its shape and exploit the weakness

    Similar to how a coffee cup is topographically equivalent to a donut - doesn't mean I'm drinking my morning joe out of a krispy kreme though.

  • @the-gipper said:

    @gftchris said:

    Countries in UEFA:

    Albania Andorra Armenia Austria Azerbaijan Belarus Belgium Bosnia-Herzegovina Bulgaria Croatia Cyprus Czech Republic Denmark England Estonia Faroe Islands Finland France FYR Macedonia Georgia Germany Gibraltar Greece Hungary Iceland Israel[n 6] Italy Kazakhstan Latvia Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Malta Moldova Montenegro Netherlands Northern Ireland Norway Poland Portugal Republic of Ireland Romania Russia San Marino Scotland Serbia Slovakia Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey Ukraine Wales

    The nations in bold are in fucking Asia. Can't these guys read a map?

    And the Faroe Islands? Gibralter? Those are like declaring Hilton Head and Martha's Vineyard as separate nations. WTF?

    Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan - doesn't matter, they wouldn't qualify anyway. I'm not sure why it's split up like this, but the countries have to apply to join the confederation, and so obviously they did and their application was successful.

    Israel - joined UEFA because matches with neighbouring Asian countries were becoming highly political, with lots of violence surrounding them.

    Turkey - has always been the bridge between Europe and Asia. Could go either way, they chose Europe - probably due to the improvements in their game that would come with playing against a higher standard of competition, is my guess.

    Cyrpus - half greek, half turkish. So half european, half half-european-half-asian (and just a tiny bit British) - 75% european.

    If Martha's vineyard declared independence from the USA, became a sovereign state in its own right, it would have a football team that could compete in the world cup qualifying.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #52

    @gftchris said:

    Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan - doesn't matter, they wouldn't qualify anyway. I'm not sure why it's split up like this, but the countries have to apply to join the confederation, and so obviously they did and their application was successful.

    Israel - joined UEFA because matches with neighbouring Asian countries were becoming highly political, with lots of violence surrounding them.

    Turkey - has always been the bridge between Europe and Asia. Could go either way, they chose Europe - probably due to the improvements in their game that would come with playing against a higher standard of competition, is my guess.

    Cyrpus - half greek, half turkish. So half european, half half-european-half-asian (and just a tiny bit British) - 75% european.

    If Martha's vineyard declared independence from the USA, became a sovereign state in its own right, it would have a football team that could compete in the world cup qualifying.

    Neither the Faroe Island nor Gibralter are sovereign states....by any means. They are like, I don't know Guam or something aren't they? The only thing on Gibralter is a rock and navy base,no?

  • @the-gipper said:

    It is not the most popular sport at all in the two largest Democracies in world....the USA and India.

    And yes, I AM looking at the two sports from a high level. Because the purpose of the game is to play on a rectangular field and to put a biscuit in a basket, the methodologies of doing so..as I said, the passing, the spacing, are all very similar. Soccer is played on a larger surface and you cannot use your hands, but the maneuvering to get into position to score are quite similar.

    If you're looking at it like that, then soccer, hockey, basketball, netball and quidditch are all the same sport, while you have another group of gridiron football, rugby and ultimate frisbee.

    There are crossovers between basically any sport in terms of high level tactics - move the ball/puck/frisbee around to move the defence around, wait until it loses its shape and exploit the weakness

    Similar to how a coffee cup is topographically equivalent to a donut - doesn't mean I'm drinking my morning joe out of a krispy kreme though.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #53

    @gftchris said:

    If you're looking at it like that, then soccer, hockey, basketball, netball and quidditch are all the same sport, while you have another group of gridiron football, rugby and ultimate frisbee.

    Sure, there are some similarities between a lot of sports. The difference perhaps between soccer and all those others is that they move at a much faster pace.

    There are crossovers between basically any sport in terms of high level tactics - move the ball/puck/frisbee around to move the defence around, wait until it loses its shape and exploit the weakness

    Similar to how a coffee cup is topographically equivalent to a donut - doesn't mean I'm drinking my morning joe out of a krispy kreme though.

  • @mld-woody said:

    I showed you the map, that's not true. Its the most popular sport in the world.

    The tactics in hockey and soccer are very different, unless you're just looking at it from an incredibly high level. This belief again just plays in to you just not knowing what you're talking about.

    It is not the most popular sport at all in the two largest Democracies in world....the USA and India.

    And yes, I AM looking at the two sports from a high level. Because the purpose of the game is to play on a rectangular field and to put a biscuit in a basket, the methodologies of doing so..as I said, the passing, the spacing, are all very similar. Soccer is played on a larger surface and you cannot use your hands, but the maneuvering to get into position to score are quite similar.

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #54

    @the-gipper said:

    It is not the most popular sport at all in the two largest Democracies in world....the USA and India.

    Alright?

    You claimed it us a "regional" sport. That isn't true. But you seem two consider the USA one region, and the rest of the world another, equal region.

    It is the most popular sport in the world. That's a fact. I'm sorry you don't understand the game and don't enjoy it. That doesn't make what you're saying true. Either about the popularity of the sport or the tactics used within the game

  • @the-gipper said:

    It is not the most popular sport at all in the two largest Democracies in world....the USA and India.

    Alright?

    You claimed it us a "regional" sport. That isn't true. But you seem two consider the USA one region, and the rest of the world another, equal region.

    It is the most popular sport in the world. That's a fact. I'm sorry you don't understand the game and don't enjoy it. That doesn't make what you're saying true. Either about the popularity of the sport or the tactics used within the game

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @mld-woody said:

    Alright?

    You claimed it us a "regional" sport. That isn't true. But you seem two consider the USA one region, and the rest of the world another, equal region.

    Sounds about right to me, no? 😉

    It is the most popular sport in the world. That's a fact. I'm sorry you don't understand the game and don't enjoy it.

    I do understand it. That is precisely why it is not as enjoyable.

    That doesn't make what you're saying true. Either about the popularity of the sport or the tactics used within the game.

    I said that I think the tactics are similar to hockey. That is a basic truth....even if perhaps you are too close so you can't see the forest for the trees.

    As for popularity...as we noted elsewhere, that is apparently an economic issue, as I guess you can play soccer in a landfill if you have a ball..

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #56

    From your previous posts it is clear you do not understand the sport.

    You can claim that the sport is only popular worldwide because of its ease to play for the poorer countries. That obviously doesn't work in a lot of countries, but you seem to be jumping around to try to prove the sport as inferior or something. You want to just call it an "economical issue"... That's stupid.

    Its the most popular sport in the world. Its growing in popularity in the US and will continue to do so. And the US is just one country in the world. It doesn't determine the popularity of a sport.

  • gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
    #57

    In what way is it an economic issue? It's by far the most popular sport in western Europe, which is one of the wealthiest parts of the world.

    You could play gridiron football in any place you can play association football, you just need a ball. So why isn't it so popular in China?

  • From your previous posts it is clear you do not understand the sport.

    You can claim that the sport is only popular worldwide because of its ease to play for the poorer countries. That obviously doesn't work in a lot of countries, but you seem to be jumping around to try to prove the sport as inferior or something. You want to just call it an "economical issue"... That's stupid.

    Its the most popular sport in the world. Its growing in popularity in the US and will continue to do so. And the US is just one country in the world. It doesn't determine the popularity of a sport.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #58

    @mld-woody said:

    From your previous posts it is clear you do not understand the sport.

    You clearly misunderstand what I say. I understand the sport. YOU just disagree with my opinion about it. The next thing you are going to say is that I don't understand Michigan football. Let me make this clear: FUCK Michigan. And FUCK Soccer. Equate the two. Do I make myself clear now that you don't misunderstand me?

    You can claim that the sport is only popular worldwide because of its ease to play for the poorer countries.

    I say that based on what you told me. If there is a misimpression, it is your own fault.

    That obviously doesn't work in a lot of countries, but you seem to be jumping around to try to prove the sport as inferior or something. You want to just call it an "economical issue"... That's stupid.

    Soccer IS an inferior sport. That has nothing to do with economics. But, its popularity around the world very well may have to do with economics.

    Its the most popular sport in the world. Its growing in popularity in the US and will continue to do so. And the US is just one country in the world. It doesn't determine the popularity of a sport.

    Lacrosse is growing in popularity..and may be a superior sport, though it has a lot of soccer/hockey elements to it.. Jarts is growing in popularity. Bocce Ball is too. X games are growing in popularity. Football, baseball, and basketball are growing in popularity as well even thought they were already popular...and probably at a pace outstripping soccer.

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #59

    In the US, baseball is growing in popularity?

  • In what way is it an economic issue? It's by far the most popular sport in western Europe, which is one of the wealthiest parts of the world.

    You could play gridiron football in any place you can play association football, you just need a ball. So why isn't it so popular in China?

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #60

    @gftchris said:

    In what way is it an economic issue? It's by far the most popular sport in western Europe, which is one of the wealthiest parts of the world.

    You could play gridiron football in any place you can play association football, you just need a ball. So why isn't it so popular in China?

    He's trying to find "excuses" for it being the most popular sport in the world. Mainly because he doesn't like it (and frankly it doesn't seem he understands the game).

    But this is the dude that equated Akron engineering to Michigan engineering so really all logic is lost on him

  • @gftchris said:

    In what way is it an economic issue? It's by far the most popular sport in western Europe, which is one of the wealthiest parts of the world.

    You could play gridiron football in any place you can play association football, you just need a ball. So why isn't it so popular in China?

    He's trying to find "excuses" for it being the most popular sport in the world. Mainly because he doesn't like it (and frankly it doesn't seem he understands the game).

    But this is the dude that equated Akron engineering to Michigan engineering so really all logic is lost on him

    T Taco918 wrote on last edited by
    #61

    @mld-woody said:

    He's trying to find "excuses" for it being the most popular sport in the world. Mainly because he doesn't like it (and frankly it doesn't seem he understands the game).

    But this is the dude that equated Akron engineering to Michigan engineering so really all logic is lost on him

    It's a lost cause my man. The older generation will never respect soccer since they more than likely didn't play the game growing up (as our generation did) to see and appreciate the amount of skill necessary to play the game, and the US isn't a powerhouse, which I'm upset about as well although I understand the reasoning behind it.

    Plus Gipper is in law so he'll bullshit semantics until he proves his point.

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by MLD Woody
    #62

    Amen Taco.

    I had another argument with Gipper before on something where his responses were along the same lines as here. I'm not surprised he's in law.

    Some of the older generation are just a lost cause when it comes to soccer. At least they'er the older generation...

    We need more soccer on TV so kids can experience it growing up. It looks like there is a very good line up the next few years too, so hopefully it creates a new generation of fans.

  • In what way is it an economic issue? It's by far the most popular sport in western Europe, which is one of the wealthiest parts of the world.

    You could play gridiron football in any place you can play association football, you just need a ball. So why isn't it so popular in China?

    T Taco918 wrote on last edited by
    #63

    @gftchris said:

    In what way is it an economic issue? It's by far the most popular sport in western Europe, which is one of the wealthiest parts of the world.

    You could play gridiron football in any place you can play association football, you just need a ball. So why isn't it so popular in China?

    I apologize, the economic view was my doing within another thread regarding the American football World Cup. My intent wasn't to put down soccer but to justify why football isn't likely to spread worldwide such as other American exports like Basketball and Baseball.

    You can check my post in that thread for an answer to your questions.

  • Amen Taco.

    I had another argument with Gipper before on something where his responses were along the same lines as here. I'm not surprised he's in law.

    Some of the older generation are just a lost cause when it comes to soccer. At least they'er the older generation...

    We need more soccer on TV so kids can experience it growing up. It looks like there is a very good line up the next few years too, so hopefully it creates a new generation of fans.

    T Taco918 wrote on last edited by Taco918
    #64

    @mld-woody said:

    Amen Taco.

    I had another argument with Gipper before on something where his responses were along the same lines as here. I'm not surprised he's in law.

    Some of the older generation are just a lost cause when it comes to soccer. At least they'er the older generation...

    We need more soccer on TV so kids can experience it growing up. It looks like there is a very good line up the next few years too, so hopefully it creates a new generation of fans.

    Well you have to give them credit where it is due, they allowed our generation to play soccer which has raised its profile here, both as entertainment and a legit skill. It can only grow from here.
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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    Its very big where I'm from. When my mom was young there weren't even teams for girls (same are, NEO). Now, there are indoor facilities and leagues all over the place, plus or town holds the Adidas High School Showcase. Girls not only have rec, travel and premier, but club teams as well. I hope it continues to grow. I'd love to have a Cleveland MLS team