Ben Tate
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you won't ever get it will you?
we all want our rookies, FAs and roster players to be great, no matter what.
meanwhile you bash a guy for embracing cleveland, a guy who goes out of his way to show he wants to be here, to protect the name of a rookie QB who really doesn't care where he's at (but he'd rather be in vegas).
public perception right now is everything.
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therein lies the rub.@everlastingxxx said:
I havent watched ESPN since the draft. I also didnt read any articles. I read and heard his interview. My thoughts completely. If you dont agree i am perfectly fine with that but why do you need to resort to name calling?
Either your reading comprehension is terrible, or you're a liar.
If you read and heard what Tate said, you'd know he was sticking up for your boyfriend and trashing the media.
But I suspect that youre a liar. You read a headline and formed an opinion. The headline rubbed you the wrong way cause johnny too short first, browns last.
Hack.
Edit: wait...you didn't read any articles, but you read and heard what Tate said? How fucking stupid are you....really? Most people unwittingly contradict themselves. You even fucked that up.....stone cold liar.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Not sure what your problem is and why you are getting yourself so worked up. I guess you really care what i think...thanks, i see it as a compliment. Not sure why you need to believe i am unable to come to conclusions on my own and why that even matters in your argument. I dont think Tate feeling jealousy is that big of a deal. I think it would be human nature for a guy that has had very little in the NFL. If those same comments came from Gordan or Haden or Mingo, id put more stock into them. But coming from a guy who hasnt done much, it sounds like sour grapes.
What has your boyfriend done in the NFL?
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@everlastingxxx said:
Create excitement and hope. What have you done in the NFL?
Played the same number of downs as your boyfriend.
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I got no problem with tate puffing out his chest. Browns need more like him.....motivational wise. looks like he has put some poundage. lets see how far that 230 lbs can carry him
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@everlastingxxx said:
Create excitement and hope. What have you done in the NFL?
Weeden created excitement and hope, Quinn did as well. Jeezus you Manziel lovers need to keep it in check. Just calm down and quit assuming everyone wants him to fail or are jealous of him, because you're wrong in both thoughts.
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@everlastingxxx said:
He is rubbing me the wrong way. Sounds like he is jealous of all the attention Manziel gets. Hence why he is going to great lengths to put attention onto himself. All the players were raving about the throw Johnny made to Cameron and he says that its nothing he hasnt seen before. Umm yea whatever Tate, fuckin career backup.
And you wonder why we have an issue with JM fanboys...
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It would be nice if people would actually READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE before they start blasting away.
Yes, Tate more or less said that he wasn't so sure that someone who has yet to play a down in the NFL
deserves so much attention.
But then he says:
"It's just as a player I know that I would get tired if people were constantly monitoring if I picked my nose, if I spit to the left or right," Tate said. "I mean, it's annoying. He's a human being. He's a great football player so I understand why he gets some of the constant media attention. At the same time I just figure at this stage he's tired of it and he wants to come in here and do his job and try to win the starting quarterback position."
Yeah, he's really bashing the kid.
Get a grip, folks.
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It would be nice if people would actually READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE before they start blasting away.
Yes, Tate more or less said that he wasn't so sure that someone who has yet to play a down in the NFL
deserves so much attention.
But then he says:
"It's just as a player I know that I would get tired if people were constantly monitoring if I picked my nose, if I spit to the left or right," Tate said. "I mean, it's annoying. He's a human being. He's a great football player so I understand why he gets some of the constant media attention. At the same time I just figure at this stage he's tired of it and he wants to come in here and do his job and try to win the starting quarterback position."
Yeah, he's really bashing the kid.
Get a grip, folks.
It would be nice if people would actually READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE before they start blasting away.
Yes, Tate more or less said that he wasn't so sure that someone who has yet to play a down in the NFL
deserves so much attention.
But then he says:
"It's just as a player I know that I would get tired if people were constantly monitoring if I picked my nose, if I spit to the left or right," Tate said. "I mean, it's annoying. He's a human being. He's a great football player so I understand why he gets some of the constant media attention. At the same time I just figure at this stage he's tired of it and he wants to come in here and do his job and try to win the starting quarterback position."
Yeah, he's really bashing the kid.
Get a grip, folks.
This was the best part of the article.
I don't know if anyone else noticed, but ESPN changed the title of the article 3 times in about an hour span. They will do anything to get clicks nowadays.
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The media thrives on controversy, real or imagined--or just made up.
The national media has two main points of 'discussion' when it comes to Manziel:
1. The other Browns players are jealous and are going to be mean to him and
hurt his feelings and make him want to leave Cleveland, and,
2. The Browns coaches and front office don't know what the hell they are doing
and are mishandling him and should have named him starter when he was
onstage at Radio City Music Hall.
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^hit it on the head.
anyone that thinks a brown fan wants one of their rookies to fail is not thinking rational. cleveland fans have lived through monumental fails when it comes to the draft, we know and appreciate the process probably more than any other fan out there. i hope every one of our draft picks become pro-bowlers and HOFers.
the difference between a seasoned browns fan and someone who's come rushing in to declare someone an instant star has unfortunately bloomed into this ugly game of flaming one another (yeah i'm part of it too).
if both sides would turn it down a notch and look at each other's stance, it's more funny than anything. let the JF fans spout their stuff about johnny while some of us look from afar and say "prove it."
defending your favorite player is fine, just don't do it at the expense of another browns player. i haven't read anything that tate said that would have hurt manziel's feelings. you guys are going to have to take criticism about manziel because he is still unproven at this level. hell last year we had people calling haden a bum cuz he mis-judged a couple of plays.
even if manziel wins the starting job people are going to love him for the good and hate him for the bad. until he becomes consistent.
welcome to sunday football.
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calling out your bullshit doesn't mean I have a problem. Its obvious you do not really know what Tate said. You think he's jealous, with absolutely nothing other than a misleading headline to support your opinion. So.....the problem is you.@everlastingxxx said:
Not sure what your problem is and why you are getting yourself so worked up. I guess you really care what i think...thanks, i see it as a compliment. Not sure why you need to believe i am unable to come to conclusions on my own and why that even matters in your argument. I dont think Tate feeling jealousy is that big of a deal. I think it would be human nature for a guy that has had very little in the NFL. If those same comments came from Gordan or Haden or Mingo, id put more stock into them. But coming from a guy who hasnt done much, it sounds like sour grapes.
I'm certainly not worked up.....I'm amused at your lack of understanding of the situation. Still haven't addressed your blatant contradiction. Side step it all you want, but don't say you don't read articles then follow it up by stating you did.
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so yeah .... Tate has been pretty awesome to the Browns community...does anyone else have any good stories or examples of players just doing cool things, I know Haden has done some great things - how about the Browns players from the 80's - 90's ?
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so yeah .... Tate has been pretty awesome to the Browns community...does anyone else have any good stories or examples of players just doing cool things, I know Haden has done some great things - how about the Browns players from the 80's - 90's ?
so yeah .... Tate has been pretty awesome to the Browns community...does anyone else have any good stories or examples of players just doing cool things, I know Haden has done some great things - how about the Browns players from the 80's - 90's ?
i can't think of any off the top of my head. of course they have the 'mandatory' publicity events where they all go to a hospital or a school etc.
but what tate has done reminds me o fhaden when he was first drafted by the browns. showed up the cavs games with his browns or indian or cavs gear on. he was always out front where the cameras could see him promoting cleveland.
some of these other guys should take lessons from these guys. amazing what it could do to fan perception.
too bad an agent who gets paid millions couldn't think of setting up his players to do something like that huh?
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Tate didnt criticize JFF. He criticized the overcoverage of JFF.
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@mike-h said:
For some guys it's just a paycheck, and maybe some aren't interested in what fans think.
Tate strikes me as a guy like Haden, and Arian Foster (among others) who are fans and players. Those are the kind of guys who go above and beyond to get involved with fans.
I guess Josh Cribbs was to an extent, it seemed that his interaction with fans came as a reaction to the PayCribbs push from the fans
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@everlastingxxx said:
I am calm, its the rest of you guys that need to calm down. You are providing hypocritical advice. You tell me not to assume yet then you assume i think everyone wants him to fail or are jealous of him. I dont believe that at all. I think i am providing the most logical point of view. Some posters would find enjoyment in Manziel failing. Some NFL players might be jealous of the attention Manziel gets. If you think those two statements are completely off base i would that your line of thinking is not rational.
You just said here you think Tate is jealous of the attention JM is getting. Then you said some would find enjoyment in Manziel failing. What exactly did I assume? And let's not split hairs where I said "everyone" and you say "some". The point is you point to jealousy and hoping to fail when people say things less than high praises for anything JM related. And here you're off base. It's clear Tate was describing the media being annoying, not JM himself.
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You do seem to be one of the more level headed ones here. I wouldn't get too offended by Tate's comments. We're both speculating how he really feels, but I take it he's just trying to fight the distraction that is JM getting attention to every little thing he does. (In regards to the "nothing special" comment.) Perhaps he's just adding to it where he should just ignore it. I'm not sure as I know I wouldn't be sure how to handle it. Myself I would probably ignore it as best I could and if anyone asked me questions about JM in an interview, I'd do what I could to sidestep most of those questions.
BTW I try not to go full Retard here. If I did I'd probably get more attention, say like WW, but I'm not looking for that. Just fb talk with fellow Browns fans.
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so yeah .... Tate has been pretty awesome to the Browns community...does anyone else have any good stories or examples of players just doing cool things, I know Haden has done some great things - how about the Browns players from the 80's - 90's ?
so yeah .... Tate has been pretty awesome to the Browns community...does anyone else have any good stories or examples of players just doing cool things, I know Haden has done some great things - how about the Browns players from the 80's - 90's ?
I know Ozzie won the NFL Man of the Year award somewhere in that time period. Earlier I would expect Calvin Hill was one of the more active players during his final playing days and then his staff days with us.
Sheard was the team's Walter Peyton award nominee this past season.
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It would be nice if people would actually READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE before they start blasting away.
Yes, Tate more or less said that he wasn't so sure that someone who has yet to play a down in the NFL
deserves so much attention.
But then he says:
"It's just as a player I know that I would get tired if people were constantly monitoring if I picked my nose, if I spit to the left or right," Tate said. "I mean, it's annoying. He's a human being. He's a great football player so I understand why he gets some of the constant media attention. At the same time I just figure at this stage he's tired of it and he wants to come in here and do his job and try to win the starting quarterback position."
Yeah, he's really bashing the kid.
Get a grip, folks.
It would be nice if people would actually READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE before they start blasting away.
Yes, Tate more or less said that he wasn't so sure that someone who has yet to play a down in the NFL
deserves so much attention.
But then he says:
"It's just as a player I know that I would get tired if people were constantly monitoring if I picked my nose, if I spit to the left or right," Tate said. "I mean, it's annoying. He's a human being. He's a great football player so I understand why he gets some of the constant media attention. At the same time I just figure at this stage he's tired of it and he wants to come in here and do his job and try to win the starting quarterback position."
Yeah, he's really bashing the kid.
Get a grip, folks.
I don't think he's consciously intending to bash Manziel either. He may even think that his heart is in the right place. His head however is a different story. He suffers a bit from foot in mouth syndrome. What he is saying in general doesn't need to be said by him. I highly doubt any media folks will care enough about his opinion to stop following Manziel. Also, Manziel is only about 10 times more media savvy and experienced than Tate and can probably handle his own issues with the media.
He tries to cover by making it sound like he's calling out the media, but this isn't convincing. First, he's using the same media he claims to be calling out to grab headlines for himself. Second, he knows like everyone else that Johnny Manziel is as responsible as the media for creating the brand.
The reality is that Johnny Manziel is a celebrity quarterback if there ever was one and we all know this. Some can disagree with it; but it is, what it is. What Ben is saying basically boils down to "I don't understand why this guy gets all the attention when he's just a rookie" In other words, he doesn't like the attention he's getting. In other words, there's some envy there.
I'm happy that Ben Tate is a Brown, but I'm concerned that he learned some bad habits sitting behind Arian Foster. Hopefully, he can focus on the positive contributions that he can continue to make to the team and the city and leave the other devisive noise behind.
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