Jonathan Paul Manziel
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break out the chalk and police tape...especially if ray lewis is in town.
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He looks like he is in middle school
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Pettine should be thankful for JF diverting some of the medic/fan scrutiny normally placed on a rookie NFL coach.
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I like the kid, but he hasn't even played a game yet. Even though he's a doper I would say Gordon is the face. He's proven to be top 5 at his position at least. If JF comes and wins a few I would give him that just because of his positionJohnny Football is the face of the franchise, like it or not..
I like the kid, but he hasn't even played a game yet. Even though he's a doper I would say Gordon is the face. He's proven to be top 5 at his position at least. If JF comes and wins a few I would give him that just because of his position
Sorry, you could post a pick of Gordon and most people couldn't tell you who he is...especially people outside of Cleveland. Post a pick of Johnny Football, most could tell you who he is. The minute we drafted Manziel, he became the face of this team.
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TyperWoods said:
Some peeps still hold it against Manziel that Cleveland drafted him.
Cock-a-doodle-doo. Besides the chickens, Manziel brought they whole damn circus to town with him. I don't hold that against JF. Farmer and Pettine knew damn well (at least I hope so) what they were getting into when they drafted JF.
or vice versa, depending on who you're talking to.
Exactly.
TyperWoods said:
The Browns fans that didnt want him, but dog him now instead of the Browns GM and coaching staff.
Let's be consistent with our criticism... ...
What the hell has Pettine accomplished as an NFL head coach? Jack-shit as of yet.
Believe me- Pettine will be judged as harshly as Manziel, perhaps ever moreso. Should Manziel flop, he bought himself a quick ticket to the unemployment line. BTW, we haven't seen Pettine party in Vegas, or post a drunk Instagram yet- but I digress. So he's carried himself as an NFL coach. Can you say the same for JF as a first round draft choice? Or is he auditioning for a part in Animal House II? Wait till the season starts- you ain't see nothing yet.
TyperWoods said:
Cart McCoy has always sucked, even in college. tu ran the read option and short passing game.
However.com, Manziel playing from under center is something he will need to adapt to if he is to be successful.
McCoy sucked in college? Really? Had a better completion % a couple of years than Saint Johnny. You know not of what you speak, ye art blinded by Johnny homerism.& hence, the DOUBT of the skeptics. We've seen far too many hot shot college qbs try to make it for the Browns- and since 1999, they've all flopped to a greater or lesser extent.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/colt-mccoy-1.html
Cock-a-doodle-doo. Besides the chickens, Manziel brought they whole damn circus to town with him. I don't hold that against JF. Farmer and Pettine knew damn well (at least I hope so) what they were getting into when they drafted JF.
Exactly.
Believe me- Pettine will be judged as harshly as Manziel, perhaps ever moreso. Should Manziel flop, he bought himself a quick ticket to the unemployment line. BTW, we haven't seen Pettine party in Vegas, or post a drunk Instagram yet- but I digress. So he's carried himself as an NFL coach. Can you say the same for JF as a first round draft choice? Or is he auditioning for a part in Animal House II? Wait till the season starts- you ain't see nothing yet.
McCoy sucked in college? Really? Had a better completion % a couple of years than Saint Johnny. You know not of what you speak, ye art blinded by Johnny homerism.& hence, the DOUBT of the skeptics. We've seen far too many hot shot college qbs try to make it for the Browns- and since 1999, they've all flopped to a greater or lesser extent.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/colt-mccoy-1.html
Cart ran a dink-and-dunk offense in college. I should hope he had a decent completion percentage.
Guess what....so did I on high school. Big woooooooo.
Perhaps the Browns would have better results if they asked their players to act like champions instead of asking them to act like backups.
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Cock-a-doodle-doo. Besides the chickens, Manziel brought they whole damn circus to town with him. I don't hold that against JF. Farmer and Pettine knew damn well (at least I hope so) what they were getting into when they drafted JF.
Exactly.
Believe me- Pettine will be judged as harshly as Manziel, perhaps ever moreso. Should Manziel flop, he bought himself a quick ticket to the unemployment line. BTW, we haven't seen Pettine party in Vegas, or post a drunk Instagram yet- but I digress. So he's carried himself as an NFL coach. Can you say the same for JF as a first round draft choice? Or is he auditioning for a part in Animal House II? Wait till the season starts- you ain't see nothing yet.
McCoy sucked in college? Really? Had a better completion % a couple of years than Saint Johnny. You know not of what you speak, ye art blinded by Johnny homerism.& hence, the DOUBT of the skeptics. We've seen far too many hot shot college qbs try to make it for the Browns- and since 1999, they've all flopped to a greater or lesser extent.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/colt-mccoy-1.html
Cart ran a dink-and-dunk offense in college. I should hope he had a decent completion percentage.
Guess what....so did I on high school. Big woooooooo.
Perhaps the Browns would have better results if they asked their players to act like champions instead of asking them to act like backups.
TyperWoods said:
Perhaps the Browns would have better results if they asked their players to act like champions instead of asking them to act like backups.
talk about still butthurt.
i think the browns want all their players to play like champions. so manziel wasn't named the starter. what, did you really expect the browns to announce 3 mins after they picked him that he would be the starting QB? did minnesota do that with bridgewater? no. did jax do that with bortles? no.
geez lighten up with the starter bullshit. if he were drafted by tampa would you expect them to name him the starter as soon as he was picked?
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I like the kid, but he hasn't even played a game yet. Even though he's a doper I would say Gordon is the face. He's proven to be top 5 at his position at least. If JF comes and wins a few I would give him that just because of his position
Sorry, you could post a pick of Gordon and most people couldn't tell you who he is...especially people outside of Cleveland. Post a pick of Johnny Football, most could tell you who he is. The minute we drafted Manziel, he became the face of this team.
Yea I could see that. To people that actually follow the NFL I would have to say FlashSorry, you could post a pick of Gordon and most people couldn't tell you who he is...especially people outside of Cleveland. Post a pick of Johnny Football, most could tell you who he is. The minute we drafted Manziel, he became the face of this team.
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Z, times change. There's a reason there hasn't been another Stabler in 30 years.
Those guys started five of the last nine Super Bowls.
How old was Roethlisberger when he finally "settled down"? 27?
Johnny is 21. His body will figure it out after a few years. In the mean time, I'm OK with Johnny being Johnny.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Johnny is 21. His body will figure it out after a few years. In the mean time, I'm OK with Johnny being Johnny.
Please Don't tell me that you actually believe that any of those boys could hang with "The Snake"...
if this is the face of the franchise, can we at least get a better picture?
The camera was in focus...
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Zombo said:
Johnny is 21. His body will figure it out after a few years. In the mean time, I'm OK with Johnny being Johnny.
Please Don't tell me that you actually believe that any of those boys could hang with "The Snake"...
if this is the face of the franchise, can we at least get a better picture?
The camera was in focus...
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TyperWoods said:
Perhaps the Browns would have better results if they asked their players to act like champions instead of asking them to act like backups.
talk about still butthurt.
i think the browns want all their players to play like champions. so manziel wasn't named the starter. what, did you really expect the browns to announce 3 mins after they picked him that he would be the starting QB? did minnesota do that with bridgewater? no. did jax do that with bortles? no.
geez lighten up with the starter bullshit. if he were drafted by tampa would you expect them to name him the starter as soon as he was picked?
talk about still butthurt.
i think the browns want all their players to play like champions. so manziel wasn't named the starter. what, did you really expect the browns to announce 3 mins after they picked him that he would be the starting QB? did minnesota do that with bridgewater? no. did jax do that with bortles? no.
geez lighten up with the starter bullshit. if he were drafted by tampa would you expect them to name him the starter as soon as he was picked?
I think you misinterpreted Typer's comment. I don't think he was referring to the naming of starter, but was instead pointing to the negativity of "act like a backup". So much better to say "act like a champion". I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices. Instead it showed their lack of understanding of their newly drafted QB. JM doesn't need anyone to goad him into being competitive. His Pop Warner football coach once said that JM was "borderline insanely competitive"!
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talk about still butthurt.
i think the browns want all their players to play like champions. so manziel wasn't named the starter. what, did you really expect the browns to announce 3 mins after they picked him that he would be the starting QB? did minnesota do that with bridgewater? no. did jax do that with bortles? no.
geez lighten up with the starter bullshit. if he were drafted by tampa would you expect them to name him the starter as soon as he was picked?
I think you misinterpreted Typer's comment. I don't think he was referring to the naming of starter, but was instead pointing to the negativity of "act like a backup". So much better to say "act like a champion". I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices. Instead it showed their lack of understanding of their newly drafted QB. JM doesn't need anyone to goad him into being competitive. His Pop Warner football coach once said that JM was "borderline insanely competitive"!
I think you misinterpreted Typer's comment. I don't think he was referring to the naming of starter, but was instead pointing to the negativity of "act like a backup". So much better to say "act like a champion". I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices. Instead it showed their lack of understanding of their newly drafted QB. JM doesn't need anyone to goad him into being competitive. His Pop Warner football coach once said that JM was "borderline insanely competitive"!
This.
I realize Pettine is a rookie, and mistakes will be made.
But its stupid to want any of your players to act like backups. Why would you want players to act like they arent good enough to start? Even your 3rd string, you want them to act like starters so if 1st and 2nd string go down, they are ready to play.
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talk about still butthurt.
i think the browns want all their players to play like champions. so manziel wasn't named the starter. what, did you really expect the browns to announce 3 mins after they picked him that he would be the starting QB? did minnesota do that with bridgewater? no. did jax do that with bortles? no.
geez lighten up with the starter bullshit. if he were drafted by tampa would you expect them to name him the starter as soon as he was picked?
I think you misinterpreted Typer's comment. I don't think he was referring to the naming of starter, but was instead pointing to the negativity of "act like a backup". So much better to say "act like a champion". I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices. Instead it showed their lack of understanding of their newly drafted QB. JM doesn't need anyone to goad him into being competitive. His Pop Warner football coach once said that JM was "borderline insanely competitive"!
I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices.
Ummm... no. As you point out that is the last thing that needs to be done... and I'd bet all JM's contract that the staff knows that.
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"Who the hell is Gordon?"
-everyone outside of Cleveland
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Haven't the Browns had a bunch of head coaches come in and fail? Haven't yall watched that?
Why is Pettine any different.
He needs to prove it first.
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Why does this guy keep posting?
-everyone on this board
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I think you misinterpreted Typer's comment. I don't think he was referring to the naming of starter, but was instead pointing to the negativity of "act like a backup". So much better to say "act like a champion". I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices. Instead it showed their lack of understanding of their newly drafted QB. JM doesn't need anyone to goad him into being competitive. His Pop Warner football coach once said that JM was "borderline insanely competitive"!
This.
I realize Pettine is a rookie, and mistakes will be made.
But its stupid to want any of your players to act like backups. Why would you want players to act like they arent good enough to start? Even your 3rd string, you want them to act like starters so if 1st and 2nd string go down, they are ready to play.
TyperWoods said:
This.
I realize Pettine is a rookie, and mistakes will be made.
But its stupid to want any of your players to act like backups. Why would you want players to act like they arent good enough to start? Even your 3rd string, you want them to act like starters so if 1st and 2nd string go down, they are ready to play.
Now you're being dense...
Back ups are expected to prepare as if they are starters, but otherwise keep a low profile and STFU.
Starters lead.
When back ups get confused and try to lead from the bench, shit hits the fan, locker rooms divide and seasons go to hell.
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Haven't the Browns had a bunch of head coaches come in and fail? Haven't yall watched that?
Why is Pettine any different.
He needs to prove it first.
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