Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I like the kid, but he hasn't even played a game yet. Even though he's a doper I would say Gordon is the face. He's proven to be top 5 at his position at least. If JF comes and wins a few I would give him that just because of his position
Sorry, you could post a pick of Gordon and most people couldn't tell you who he is...especially people outside of Cleveland. Post a pick of Johnny Football, most could tell you who he is. The minute we drafted Manziel, he became the face of this team.
Yea I could see that. To people that actually follow the NFL I would have to say FlashSorry, you could post a pick of Gordon and most people couldn't tell you who he is...especially people outside of Cleveland. Post a pick of Johnny Football, most could tell you who he is. The minute we drafted Manziel, he became the face of this team.
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Z, times change. There's a reason there hasn't been another Stabler in 30 years.
Those guys started five of the last nine Super Bowls.
How old was Roethlisberger when he finally "settled down"? 27?
Johnny is 21. His body will figure it out after a few years. In the mean time, I'm OK with Johnny being Johnny.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Johnny is 21. His body will figure it out after a few years. In the mean time, I'm OK with Johnny being Johnny.
Please Don't tell me that you actually believe that any of those boys could hang with "The Snake"...
if this is the face of the franchise, can we at least get a better picture?
The camera was in focus...
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Zombo said:
Johnny is 21. His body will figure it out after a few years. In the mean time, I'm OK with Johnny being Johnny.
Please Don't tell me that you actually believe that any of those boys could hang with "The Snake"...
if this is the face of the franchise, can we at least get a better picture?
The camera was in focus...
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TyperWoods said:
Perhaps the Browns would have better results if they asked their players to act like champions instead of asking them to act like backups.
talk about still butthurt.
i think the browns want all their players to play like champions. so manziel wasn't named the starter. what, did you really expect the browns to announce 3 mins after they picked him that he would be the starting QB? did minnesota do that with bridgewater? no. did jax do that with bortles? no.
geez lighten up with the starter bullshit. if he were drafted by tampa would you expect them to name him the starter as soon as he was picked?
talk about still butthurt.
i think the browns want all their players to play like champions. so manziel wasn't named the starter. what, did you really expect the browns to announce 3 mins after they picked him that he would be the starting QB? did minnesota do that with bridgewater? no. did jax do that with bortles? no.
geez lighten up with the starter bullshit. if he were drafted by tampa would you expect them to name him the starter as soon as he was picked?
I think you misinterpreted Typer's comment. I don't think he was referring to the naming of starter, but was instead pointing to the negativity of "act like a backup". So much better to say "act like a champion". I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices. Instead it showed their lack of understanding of their newly drafted QB. JM doesn't need anyone to goad him into being competitive. His Pop Warner football coach once said that JM was "borderline insanely competitive"!
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talk about still butthurt.
i think the browns want all their players to play like champions. so manziel wasn't named the starter. what, did you really expect the browns to announce 3 mins after they picked him that he would be the starting QB? did minnesota do that with bridgewater? no. did jax do that with bortles? no.
geez lighten up with the starter bullshit. if he were drafted by tampa would you expect them to name him the starter as soon as he was picked?
I think you misinterpreted Typer's comment. I don't think he was referring to the naming of starter, but was instead pointing to the negativity of "act like a backup". So much better to say "act like a champion". I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices. Instead it showed their lack of understanding of their newly drafted QB. JM doesn't need anyone to goad him into being competitive. His Pop Warner football coach once said that JM was "borderline insanely competitive"!
I think you misinterpreted Typer's comment. I don't think he was referring to the naming of starter, but was instead pointing to the negativity of "act like a backup". So much better to say "act like a champion". I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices. Instead it showed their lack of understanding of their newly drafted QB. JM doesn't need anyone to goad him into being competitive. His Pop Warner football coach once said that JM was "borderline insanely competitive"!
This.
I realize Pettine is a rookie, and mistakes will be made.
But its stupid to want any of your players to act like backups. Why would you want players to act like they arent good enough to start? Even your 3rd string, you want them to act like starters so if 1st and 2nd string go down, they are ready to play.
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talk about still butthurt.
i think the browns want all their players to play like champions. so manziel wasn't named the starter. what, did you really expect the browns to announce 3 mins after they picked him that he would be the starting QB? did minnesota do that with bridgewater? no. did jax do that with bortles? no.
geez lighten up with the starter bullshit. if he were drafted by tampa would you expect them to name him the starter as soon as he was picked?
I think you misinterpreted Typer's comment. I don't think he was referring to the naming of starter, but was instead pointing to the negativity of "act like a backup". So much better to say "act like a champion". I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices. Instead it showed their lack of understanding of their newly drafted QB. JM doesn't need anyone to goad him into being competitive. His Pop Warner football coach once said that JM was "borderline insanely competitive"!
I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices.
Ummm... no. As you point out that is the last thing that needs to be done... and I'd bet all JM's contract that the staff knows that.
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"Who the hell is Gordon?"
-everyone outside of Cleveland
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Haven't the Browns had a bunch of head coaches come in and fail? Haven't yall watched that?
Why is Pettine any different.
He needs to prove it first.
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Why does this guy keep posting?
-everyone on this board
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I think you misinterpreted Typer's comment. I don't think he was referring to the naming of starter, but was instead pointing to the negativity of "act like a backup". So much better to say "act like a champion". I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices. Instead it showed their lack of understanding of their newly drafted QB. JM doesn't need anyone to goad him into being competitive. His Pop Warner football coach once said that JM was "borderline insanely competitive"!
This.
I realize Pettine is a rookie, and mistakes will be made.
But its stupid to want any of your players to act like backups. Why would you want players to act like they arent good enough to start? Even your 3rd string, you want them to act like starters so if 1st and 2nd string go down, they are ready to play.
TyperWoods said:
This.
I realize Pettine is a rookie, and mistakes will be made.
But its stupid to want any of your players to act like backups. Why would you want players to act like they arent good enough to start? Even your 3rd string, you want them to act like starters so if 1st and 2nd string go down, they are ready to play.
Now you're being dense...
Back ups are expected to prepare as if they are starters, but otherwise keep a low profile and STFU.
Starters lead.
When back ups get confused and try to lead from the bench, shit hits the fan, locker rooms divide and seasons go to hell.
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Haven't the Browns had a bunch of head coaches come in and fail? Haven't yall watched that?
Why is Pettine any different.
He needs to prove it first.
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TyperWoods said:
Why is Pettine any different.
Because he is the current coach and it is his team.
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TyperWoods said:
This.
I realize Pettine is a rookie, and mistakes will be made.
But its stupid to want any of your players to act like backups. Why would you want players to act like they arent good enough to start? Even your 3rd string, you want them to act like starters so if 1st and 2nd string go down, they are ready to play.
Now you're being dense...
Back ups are expected to prepare as if they are starters, but otherwise keep a low profile and STFU.
Starters lead.
When back ups get confused and try to lead from the bench, shit hits the fan, locker rooms divide and seasons go to hell.
Now you're being dense...
Back ups are expected to prepare as if they are starters, but otherwise keep a low profile and STFU.
Starters lead.
When back ups get confused and try to lead from the bench, shit hits the fan, locker rooms divide and seasons go to hell.
Give an example of Manziel leading the Browns from the bench.
(Crickets chirping)
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Actually, I think the "act like a backup" came from Haslam and I guess he could be excused for not knowing enough about motivation of JM.
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Actually, I think the "act like a backup" came from Haslam and I guess he could be excused for not knowing enough about motivation of JM.
Actually, I think the "act like a backup" came from Haslam and I guess he could be excused for not knowing enough about motivation of JM.
You're probably right, although I dont think it was said to motivate. I thimk it was said in an effort to control.
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Why does this guy keep posting?
-everyone on this board
I post for my own amusement.
Like everyone else, everywhere.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I get a kick out of reading and listening to hype about JF. Browns fans and media discuss whether he will win the Super Bowl this year or if it will have to wait until next year.
The reality is that there is a reason he was available at 22 and there is a ton of skepticism about his overall ability. Granted, the pundits are often wrong but when there are as many of them on his down side as there are on his upside, I would take a wait and see attitude.
Rookie coach, either a washout QB with a bum knee or a rookie QB thats short, questionable recievers.... no superbowl this year.
However, perhaps in a couple of years if Pettine, Farmer, and Haslam get their shit together.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I get a kick out of reading and listening to hype about JF. Browns fans and media discuss whether he will win the Super Bowl this year or if it will have to wait until next year.
The reality is that there is a reason he was available at 22 and there is a ton of skepticism about his overall ability. Granted, the pundits are often wrong but when there are as many of them on his down side as there are on his upside, I would take a wait and see attitude.
Rookie coach, either a washout QB with a bum knee or a rookie QB thats short, questionable recievers.... no superbowl this year.
However, perhaps in a couple of years if Pettine, Farmer, and Haslam get their shit together.
TyperWoods said:
Rookie coach, either a washout QB with a bum knee or a rookie QB thats short, questionable recievers.... no superbowl this year.
However, perhaps in a couple of years if Pettine, Farmer, and Haslam get their shit together.
What have Farmer and Pettine done to make you think their shit is not already together?
They've been on the job 5 months and they've already added three quality starters on defense, upgraded the depth everywhere and drafted your boyfriend. Who the fuck are you to say their shit is not together? I suspect you kinda like it loosely packed anyway.
Zombo
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It was Haslem that said "You're the backup" and that is exactly where he is on the depth chart until he earns the starting role.
When you are drafted #22, you have to earn things, they aren't handed to you.
Haslem also said he was told by a homeless guy to draft Manziel. I bet even the homeless guy would expect him to earn his spot.
If I were you, I'd quit worrying about what Jimmy says to the media, because it is ALL about what Hoyer and Manziel do on the field.
Best man starts. And if your man is half as good as you think he is, you can sit back and relax.
Zombo
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The best thing the Browns got in JM was a self motivator and leader by example. Every time he has concluded that he needed to get better in certain areas he has used the offseason to address it After the Heisman season he knew he had to learn to think pass first, run second if he wanted to eventually turn pro. So go look at his stats for his second year, far better passer from the pocket and almost half the prior year's running yards. And don't be fooled into thinking he has always been a shotgun QB. His first year was running Mike Sherman's Pro-style i offense with the scout team.
All that said I know he is fully aware he has a lot to learn before becoming a starter. And I have confidence in Pettine not to push him too fast too soon unless injury forces his hand.
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