Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Haven't the Browns had a bunch of head coaches come in and fail? Haven't yall watched that?
Why is Pettine any different.
He needs to prove it first.
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Why does this guy keep posting?
-everyone on this board
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I think you misinterpreted Typer's comment. I don't think he was referring to the naming of starter, but was instead pointing to the negativity of "act like a backup". So much better to say "act like a champion". I realize that the comment was meant to fire JMs competitive juices. Instead it showed their lack of understanding of their newly drafted QB. JM doesn't need anyone to goad him into being competitive. His Pop Warner football coach once said that JM was "borderline insanely competitive"!
This.
I realize Pettine is a rookie, and mistakes will be made.
But its stupid to want any of your players to act like backups. Why would you want players to act like they arent good enough to start? Even your 3rd string, you want them to act like starters so if 1st and 2nd string go down, they are ready to play.
TyperWoods said:
This.
I realize Pettine is a rookie, and mistakes will be made.
But its stupid to want any of your players to act like backups. Why would you want players to act like they arent good enough to start? Even your 3rd string, you want them to act like starters so if 1st and 2nd string go down, they are ready to play.
Now you're being dense...
Back ups are expected to prepare as if they are starters, but otherwise keep a low profile and STFU.
Starters lead.
When back ups get confused and try to lead from the bench, shit hits the fan, locker rooms divide and seasons go to hell.
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Haven't the Browns had a bunch of head coaches come in and fail? Haven't yall watched that?
Why is Pettine any different.
He needs to prove it first.
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TyperWoods said:
Why is Pettine any different.
Because he is the current coach and it is his team.
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TyperWoods said:
This.
I realize Pettine is a rookie, and mistakes will be made.
But its stupid to want any of your players to act like backups. Why would you want players to act like they arent good enough to start? Even your 3rd string, you want them to act like starters so if 1st and 2nd string go down, they are ready to play.
Now you're being dense...
Back ups are expected to prepare as if they are starters, but otherwise keep a low profile and STFU.
Starters lead.
When back ups get confused and try to lead from the bench, shit hits the fan, locker rooms divide and seasons go to hell.
Now you're being dense...
Back ups are expected to prepare as if they are starters, but otherwise keep a low profile and STFU.
Starters lead.
When back ups get confused and try to lead from the bench, shit hits the fan, locker rooms divide and seasons go to hell.
Give an example of Manziel leading the Browns from the bench.
(Crickets chirping)
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Actually, I think the "act like a backup" came from Haslam and I guess he could be excused for not knowing enough about motivation of JM.
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Actually, I think the "act like a backup" came from Haslam and I guess he could be excused for not knowing enough about motivation of JM.
Actually, I think the "act like a backup" came from Haslam and I guess he could be excused for not knowing enough about motivation of JM.
You're probably right, although I dont think it was said to motivate. I thimk it was said in an effort to control.
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Why does this guy keep posting?
-everyone on this board
I post for my own amusement.
Like everyone else, everywhere.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I get a kick out of reading and listening to hype about JF. Browns fans and media discuss whether he will win the Super Bowl this year or if it will have to wait until next year.
The reality is that there is a reason he was available at 22 and there is a ton of skepticism about his overall ability. Granted, the pundits are often wrong but when there are as many of them on his down side as there are on his upside, I would take a wait and see attitude.
Rookie coach, either a washout QB with a bum knee or a rookie QB thats short, questionable recievers.... no superbowl this year.
However, perhaps in a couple of years if Pettine, Farmer, and Haslam get their shit together.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I get a kick out of reading and listening to hype about JF. Browns fans and media discuss whether he will win the Super Bowl this year or if it will have to wait until next year.
The reality is that there is a reason he was available at 22 and there is a ton of skepticism about his overall ability. Granted, the pundits are often wrong but when there are as many of them on his down side as there are on his upside, I would take a wait and see attitude.
Rookie coach, either a washout QB with a bum knee or a rookie QB thats short, questionable recievers.... no superbowl this year.
However, perhaps in a couple of years if Pettine, Farmer, and Haslam get their shit together.
TyperWoods said:
Rookie coach, either a washout QB with a bum knee or a rookie QB thats short, questionable recievers.... no superbowl this year.
However, perhaps in a couple of years if Pettine, Farmer, and Haslam get their shit together.
What have Farmer and Pettine done to make you think their shit is not already together?
They've been on the job 5 months and they've already added three quality starters on defense, upgraded the depth everywhere and drafted your boyfriend. Who the fuck are you to say their shit is not together? I suspect you kinda like it loosely packed anyway.
Zombo
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It was Haslem that said "You're the backup" and that is exactly where he is on the depth chart until he earns the starting role.
When you are drafted #22, you have to earn things, they aren't handed to you.
Haslem also said he was told by a homeless guy to draft Manziel. I bet even the homeless guy would expect him to earn his spot.
If I were you, I'd quit worrying about what Jimmy says to the media, because it is ALL about what Hoyer and Manziel do on the field.
Best man starts. And if your man is half as good as you think he is, you can sit back and relax.
Zombo
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The best thing the Browns got in JM was a self motivator and leader by example. Every time he has concluded that he needed to get better in certain areas he has used the offseason to address it After the Heisman season he knew he had to learn to think pass first, run second if he wanted to eventually turn pro. So go look at his stats for his second year, far better passer from the pocket and almost half the prior year's running yards. And don't be fooled into thinking he has always been a shotgun QB. His first year was running Mike Sherman's Pro-style i offense with the scout team.
All that said I know he is fully aware he has a lot to learn before becoming a starter. And I have confidence in Pettine not to push him too fast too soon unless injury forces his hand.
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he's trying to compare pettine's lack of HC experience with manziel's lack of experience as a starting QB in the NFL. problem is pettine has been at the NFL level for what 12 years now and has been a part of some of the best defensive staffs while here.
and manziel just got here.
Yes, Pettine is Wannstedtesque so far.
Until he p r o v e s different on the sideline.
TyperWoods said:
Yes, Pettine is Wannstedtesque so far.
Until he p r o v e s different on the sideline.
Well, one never knows. Sure....Pettine is in his first HC gig after some years as a defensive coach/DC. And you want to compare him to another DC that pretty much failed as an HC in the NFL.
But then....a few other names fit that same bill: Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Don Shula...and a number of others.
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It was Haslem that said "You're the backup" and that is exactly where he is on the depth chart until he earns the starting role.
When you are drafted #22, you have to earn things, they aren't handed to you.
Haslem also said he was told by a homeless guy to draft Manziel. I bet even the homeless guy would expect him to earn his spot.
If I were you, I'd quit worrying about what Jimmy says to the media, because it is ALL about what Hoyer and Manziel do on the field.
Best man starts. And if your man is half as good as you think he is, you can sit back and relax.
Zombo
Zombo said:
It was Haslem that said "You're the backup" and that is exactly where he is on the depth chart until he earns the starting role.
When you are drafted #22, you have to earn things, they aren't handed to you.
Haslem also said he was told by a homeless guy to draft Manziel. I bet even the homeless guy would expect him to earn his spot.
If I were you, I'd quit worrying about what Jimmy says to the media, because it is ALL about what Hoyer and Manziel do on the field.
Best man starts. And if your man is half as good as you think he is, you can sit back and relax.
Zombo
I think the bone of contention is not JM being told he is the backup. As you pointed out, no one should expect anything different. The problem is Haslam saying he should "act like a backup". If Haslam had in fact said "you are the backup", it would have been no big deal. Actually, Pettine, in his remarks have been much more on the mark - it's a competition and at this point Hoyer has a commanding lead. I don't think most people have a problem with this assessment.
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but it's just semantics. who cares if haslem would have said he wants him to be his shine boy. i don't get the big friggin deal. you got drafted, you just got paid. now do your job. you ARE a QB in the NFL. how many people can say that? did you even hear of brett favre when he was a falcon? all this is and all the precursor bullshit is, is a plan stirred up by JF fans, be it right or wrong, to get JF's story to continue and not to fizzle out no matter what.
i swear some of you guys won't be happy until he's riding in some ticker tape parade, in the back of an old caddy conv. with a stack of money in one hand and carrie underwood in the other while people exclaim "JF! the king of the universe!! all hail the new king!!"
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TyperWoods said:
Yes, Pettine is Wannstedtesque so far.
Until he p r o v e s different on the sideline.
Well, one never knows. Sure....Pettine is in his first HC gig after some years as a defensive coach/DC. And you want to compare him to another DC that pretty much failed as an HC in the NFL.
But then....a few other names fit that same bill: Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Don Shula...and a number of others.
You've proved my point.Well, one never knows. Sure....Pettine is in his first HC gig after some years as a defensive coach/DC. And you want to compare him to another DC that pretty much failed as an HC in the NFL.
But then....a few other names fit that same bill: Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, Don Shula...and a number of others.
It's silly at this point to lump Manziel in with either Weeden, McCoy, Quinn, OR Sipe, Kosar, Graham.
So why dont you backups on this boatd stop it and start posting like champions?
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but it's just semantics. who cares if haslem would have said he wants him to be his shine boy. i don't get the big friggin deal. you got drafted, you just got paid. now do your job. you ARE a QB in the NFL. how many people can say that? did you even hear of brett favre when he was a falcon? all this is and all the precursor bullshit is, is a plan stirred up by JF fans, be it right or wrong, to get JF's story to continue and not to fizzle out no matter what.
i swear some of you guys won't be happy until he's riding in some ticker tape parade, in the back of an old caddy conv. with a stack of money in one hand and carrie underwood in the other while people exclaim "JF! the king of the universe!! all hail the new king!!"
but it's just semantics. who cares if haslem would have said he wants him to be his shine boy. i don't get the big friggin deal. you got drafted, you just got paid. now do your job. you ARE a QB in the NFL. how many people can say that? did you even hear of brett favre when he was a falcon? all this is and all the precursor bullshit is stirred up by JF fans, be it right or wrong.
i swear some of you guys won't be happy until he's riding in some ticker tape parade with a stack of money in one hand and carrie underwood in the other while people exclaim "JF! the king of the universe!! all hail the new king!!"
Have another drink, perhaps it will dull the pain.
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what pain is that, you?
we've tried, nothing works.
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You guys talk like being the face of the Browns is something to be proud of.
Outside of Cleveland, right now it's a joke.
Now, should the Browns return to respectability, it might be something to be proud of.
TyperWoods said:
You guys talk like being the face of the Browns is something to be proud of.
Outside of Cleveland, right now it's a joke.
Now, should the Browns return to respectability, it might be something to be proud of.
What makes you think we give a shit what people outside of Cleveland think. Haven't you been on this site long enough to know that by now?
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