Radical Muslims on the March
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Taco you guys are certainly free to look at it anyway you like. As most the fellas over here no I'm not religious. Oftentimes I defend Christians but I suppose agnostic would describe me best. Still if I believed at my friends were missing out on eternal life in the kingdom of God I believe I should try to convince them to see the light.Mathew 7:1 Judge not, let ye be not judged.
I also don't think the chapter and verse you posted are relevant to this only because I'm sure there are references encouraging evangelism. Maybe I will look those up but... there is one of the top of my head about not hiding the light under a basket.
So I guess I'm saying the Evangelists in this world don't really bother me. I think their hearts are in the right place in wanting to help me find salvation.
If anyone has deeply held religious beliefs and knows in his heart that God wants to keep quiet about it I can support that too.
WSS
if I believed at my friends were missing out on eternal life in the kingdom of God I believe I should try to convince them to see the light.
I see why my stance might seem odd to you now. In Islam, Jews and Christians who follow God are considered believers and have "nothing to fear or regret." So we don't believe they will miss out on heaven. (You could make the case that atheists are another matter, but like I said, I believe an atheist who does good is a far far better person than a person who professes to perform violent acts in the name of their faith).Islam is seen by Muslims as a descendent of these two religions. That's why you see me saying God and not Allah, because we see Allah as just the Arabic word for God, not some separate being with a different name.
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Taco you guys are certainly free to look at it anyway you like. As most the fellas over here no I'm not religious. Oftentimes I defend Christians but I suppose agnostic would describe me best. Still if I believed at my friends were missing out on eternal life in the kingdom of God I believe I should try to convince them to see the light.
I also don't think the chapter and verse you posted are relevant to this only because I'm sure there are references encouraging evangelism. Maybe I will look those up but... there is one of the top of my head about not hiding the light under a basket.
So I guess I'm saying the Evangelist in this world don't really bother me. I think their hearts are in the right place in wanting to help me find salvation.
If anyone has deeply held religious beliefs and knows in his heart that God wants to keep quiet about it I can support that too.
WSS
But there are a lot of people the Evangelists really do bother, either by trying to convert them from their current religion, or by trying to convince atheists to believe in something that empirically does not exist.
Ye Chris there are all kinds of people who might be annoyed. I'm sure that's to be expected.But there are a lot of people the Evangelists really do bother, either by trying to convert them from their current religion, or by trying to convince atheists to believe in something that empirically does not exist.
And I don't know how many times I need to repeat it but that is not the point. The point is, at least from me, that if someone truly honestly and deeply believes that's there is salvation for the taking he or she should spread that word. I think there are many people just like that and also many people who just want to be assholes.
I have no problem with people the don't believe that.
As for anyone who wishes to argue against evangelism on a biblical level ask yourself what Jesus spent the last few years of his life doing. Trying to tell the world there was a path to eternal life.
From my own agnostic perception I wish I could believe in something beyond this world and many times have invited the missionaries n to talk. Not to bicker or argue or debate but to see if I can find truth where they have found it.
WSS
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One situation is urging someone to do something because you THINK it is in their best interest
The other situation is urging them to do something because you KNOW it is in their best interest
"evangelism" ... lol
Both situations are urging your friends family or neighbors to do things that are in their best interest. Now I realize you've got some sort of a hard on against religion. Which makes whatever you have to say meaningless. If you don't believe in it then shut the fuck up. but if you do, really do, I think it's your responsibility to tell others.
Kinda like squealing about man made global warming, for example.. If you really think we are going to destroy the world or harm ourselves then you should fight the good fight. If you don't really think so and you're just bitching for the sake of bitching then who cares?
I think if you aren't serious just leave everyone else alone.
WSS
Both situations are urging your friends family or neighbors to do things that are in their best interest. Now I realize you've got some sort of a hard on against religion. Which makes whatever you have to say meaningless. If you don't believe in it then shut the fuck up. but if you do, really do, I think it's your responsibility to tell others.
Kinda like squealing about man made global warming, for example.. If you really think we are going to destroy the world or harm ourselves then you should fight the good fight. If you don't really think so and you're just bitching for the sake of bitching then who cares?
I think if you aren't serious just leave everyone else alone.
WSS
"Both situations are urging your friends family or neighbors to do things that are in their best interest."
Yes but in one situation its based off of an established fact. The other is based off of faith. The two situations are not the same.
I don't have a "hard on against religion"... I think we'd be better off without it, but people are free to do what they want. I just want important decisions that affect me being made based on facts and evidence, not blind faith. I've said this many times. You and some others act like I'm on a crusade against religion because I'll bring up something like seleration of church and state, or because I don't think Christians should get whatever they want. That's not true. I don't know how many times I have to say it ...
Also, I'm not sure what the climate change content has to do with anything. Its your same old take on the subject, and I've responded to it at length before...
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It's pretty simple. If you truly believe the global warming is putting the planets in serious peril then I think you should try to get others to see it. If you don't really think it's that big a deal, danger wise, then don't bother.
I would imagine you have the mental ability to discern between something someone truly believes and something they just like to argue about.
WSS
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It's pretty simple. If you truly believe the global warming is putting the planets in serious peril then I think you should try to get others to see it. If you don't really think it's that big a deal, danger wise, then don't bother.
I would imagine you have the mental ability to discern between something someone truly believes and something they just like to argue about.
WSS
It's pretty simple. If you truly believe the global warming is putting the planets in serious peril then I think you should try to get others to see it. If you don't really think it's that big a deal, danger wise, then don't bother.
I would imagine you have the mental ability to discern between something someone truly believes and something they just like to argue about.
WSS
You're making the point on the basis that they're both faith based. One has the backing of around 99% of scientists, the other has no basis in science at all.
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It's pretty simple. If you truly believe the global warming is putting the planets in serious peril then I think you should try to get others to see it. If you don't really think it's that big a deal, danger wise, then don't bother.
I would imagine you have the mental ability to discern between something someone truly believes and something they just like to argue about.
WSS
You're making the point on the basis that they're both faith based. One has the backing of around 99% of scientists, the other has no basis in science at all.
I am NOT. I don't personally give a rats ass if you believe in God or not. But many who do feel they should help their fellow man find the truth. Not truth in your eyes, truth in their eyes.You're making the point on the basis that they're both faith based. One has the backing of around 99% of scientists, the other has no basis in science at all.
I think maybe bitterness keeps some people from understanding that not everyone sees the world in the same way.
WSS
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I am NOT. I don't personally give a rats ass if you believe in God or not. But many who do feel they should help their fellow man find the truth. Not truth in your eyes, truth in their eyes.You're making the point on the basis that they're both faith based. One has the backing of around 99% of scientists, the other has no basis in science at all.
I think maybe bitterness keeps some people from understanding that not everyone sees the world in the same way.
WSS
I am NOT. I don't personally give a rats ass if you believe in God or not. But many who do feel they should help their fellow man find the truth. Not truth in your eyes, truth in their eyes.
I think maybe bitterness keeps some people from understanding that not everyone sees the world in the same way.
WSS
You're trying to convince us that telling someone to stop smoking (or other science based issues) and telling someone to believe in god both have the same basis.
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I am NOT. I don't personally give a rats ass if you believe in God or not. But many who do feel they should help their fellow man find the truth. Not truth in your eyes, truth in their eyes.
I think maybe bitterness keeps some people from understanding that not everyone sees the world in the same way.
WSS
You're trying to convince us that telling someone to stop smoking (or other science based issues) and telling someone to believe in god both have the same basis.
no I'm not but I'm bored with the conversation now.You're trying to convince us that telling someone to stop smoking (or other science based issues) and telling someone to believe in god both have the same basis.
(I am saying that if someone truly believes that they should try and help others but your bitterness gets in the way of seeing that.)
WSS
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no I'm not but I'm bored with the conversation now.You're trying to convince us that telling someone to stop smoking (or other science based issues) and telling someone to believe in god both have the same basis.
(I am saying that if someone truly believes that they should try and help others but your bitterness gets in the way of seeing that.)
WSS
no I'm not but I'm bored with the conversation now.
(I am saying that if someone truly believes that they should try and help others but your bitterness gets in the way of seeing that.)
WSS
About what am I bitter?
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no I'm not but I'm bored with the conversation now.
(I am saying that if someone truly believes that they should try and help others but your bitterness gets in the way of seeing that.)
WSS
About what am I bitter?
if you are too blind to see that Christians believe differently than you I can only imagine bitterness. I don't think my point is all that outrageous nor unfair.About what am I bitter?
(nor hard to understand)
WSS
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if you are too blind to see that Christians believe differently than you I can only imagine bitterness. I don't think my point is all that outrageous nor unfair.
(nor hard to understand)
WSS
You may have missed the multiple times where I've professed to being Christian.
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Steve nailed it. It's true.
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if you are too blind to see that Christians believe differently than you I can only imagine bitterness. I don't think my point is all that outrageous nor unfair.
(nor hard to understand)
WSS
You may have missed the multiple times where I've professed to being Christian.
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if you are too blind to see that Christians believe differently than you I can only imagine bitterness. I don't think my point is all that outrageous nor unfair.
(nor hard to understand)
WSS
You may have missed the multiple times where I've professed to being Christian.
That is certainly possible. Easy to confuse since you spend so much time propping up our resident atheist evangelist.You may have missed the multiple times where I've professed to being Christian.
But if I am indeed mistaken then I'm even more puzzled by your inability to understand my very simple statement beind that I think those of faith are perfectly correct in trying to convince their friends of the truth. Unless, of course, they don't really believe it.
WSS
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That is certainly possible. Easy to confuse since you spend so much time propping up our resident atheist evangelist.You may have missed the multiple times where I've professed to being Christian.
But if I am indeed mistaken then I'm even more puzzled by your inability to understand my very simple statement beind that I think those of faith are perfectly correct in trying to convince their friends of the truth. Unless, of course, they don't really believe it.
WSS
That is certainly possible. Easy to confuse since you spend so much time propping up our resident atheist evangelist.
But if I am indeed mistaken then I'm even more puzzled by your inability to understand my very simple statement beind that I think those of faith are perfectly correct in trying to convince their friends of the truth. Unless, of course, they don't really believe it.
WSS
I stand up for science over blind faith, which is mostly what Woody does, with the occasional insult thrown in there. I've known hundreds and possibly even thousands of christians through my charity work, and none of them is an evangelist. To a man (woman or child), the approach is 'this is what I believe, you're free to believe what you like; if you want to talk about it more I'd be very willing' rather than 'you must believe what I believe, or you'll go to hell!'
I happen to feel the same as Osiris, that a good, kind atheist is much more likely to end up in heaven than a 'bad' christian.
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That is certainly possible. Easy to confuse since you spend so much time propping up our resident atheist evangelist.
But if I am indeed mistaken then I'm even more puzzled by your inability to understand my very simple statement beind that I think those of faith are perfectly correct in trying to convince their friends of the truth. Unless, of course, they don't really believe it.
WSS
I stand up for science over blind faith, which is mostly what Woody does, with the occasional insult thrown in there. I've known hundreds and possibly even thousands of christians through my charity work, and none of them is an evangelist. To a man (woman or child), the approach is 'this is what I believe, you're free to believe what you like; if you want to talk about it more I'd be very willing' rather than 'you must believe what I believe, or you'll go to hell!'
I happen to feel the same as Osiris, that a good, kind atheist is much more likely to end up in heaven than a 'bad' christian.
And of course you are exaggerating to argue with the point I've never made.I stand up for science over blind faith, which is mostly what Woody does, with the occasional insult thrown in there. I've known hundreds and possibly even thousands of christians through my charity work, and none of them is an evangelist. To a man (woman or child), the approach is 'this is what I believe, you're free to believe what you like; if you want to talk about it more I'd be very willing' rather than 'you must believe what I believe, or you'll go to hell!'
I happen to feel the same as Osiris, that a good, kind atheist is much more likely to end up in heaven than a 'bad' christian.
So do you believe Jesus Christ was born of the Virgin Mary and is the Son of God sent to Earth to die on the cross for the sins of humanity? Also do you believe in a caring and loving God who has a plan for us and understands us?
And do you believe that if you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior you will be able to experience eternal life?
Or not?
None of the other ancillary stuff matters at least in this question.
WSS
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Some people here have a hard time believing that two people can disagree on one issue and agree on another. Crazy right?
I mean... Stop propping up my radical atheist agenda Chris! I clearly hate all Christians and am actively trying to wipe them out. Muslims are cool though because I'm a white guilt apologist... Or something.
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"You may have missed the multiple times where I've professed to being Christian."
"I happen to feel the same as Osiris, that a good, kind atheist is much more likely to end up in heaven than a 'bad' christian."
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Really? This makes no sense. It is only by Grace we can enter Heaven.
John 316 - "For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting."
I'm stunned. Is this where a liberal simply changes the meaning of a word to suit his own argument?
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What makes a passage from an old book more believable than Chris and Osiris's personal belief? How does one take precedence over another? Unless you have proof that 1, heaven exists and 2, only Christians go there.
(Plus I got my first Communion. That counts for something, right?)
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And of course you are exaggerating to argue with the point I've never made.I stand up for science over blind faith, which is mostly what Woody does, with the occasional insult thrown in there. I've known hundreds and possibly even thousands of christians through my charity work, and none of them is an evangelist. To a man (woman or child), the approach is 'this is what I believe, you're free to believe what you like; if you want to talk about it more I'd be very willing' rather than 'you must believe what I believe, or you'll go to hell!'
I happen to feel the same as Osiris, that a good, kind atheist is much more likely to end up in heaven than a 'bad' christian.
So do you believe Jesus Christ was born of the Virgin Mary and is the Son of God sent to Earth to die on the cross for the sins of humanity? Also do you believe in a caring and loving God who has a plan for us and understands us?
And do you believe that if you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior you will be able to experience eternal life?
Or not?
None of the other ancillary stuff matters at least in this question.
WSS
And of course you are exaggerating to argue with the point I've never made.
So do you believe Jesus Christ was born of the Virgin Mary and is the Son of God sent to Earth to die on the cross for the sins of humanity? Also do you believe in a caring and loving God who has a plan for us and understands us?
And do you believe that if you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior you will be able to experience eternal life?
Or not?
None of the other ancillary stuff matters at least in this question.
WSS
What I believe in is what Jesus taught. I find the concept of the Virgin Mary highly improbable, and Jesus as the son of God not much more likely. But I do believe in a God watching over me, generally guiding me in a way that allows me to learn from my own mistakes, and pass on such wisdom to the generations coming after me.
I'm a little fuzzy on the eternal life part, and what that would constitute - some concept of heaven? I mean, some good Christians' idea of heaven probably includes a couple of things that would be banned in a literal interpretation of the bible. Further, does everyone inhabit the same heaven, and at what age? Are most people in heaven old, or do they appear there as a younger version of themselves? In which case, do we have a heaven full of 25 year-olds where I see what my parents looked like when they were young? Or do we have an infinite amount of heavens, one for each person? Or, do we go for perpetual reincarnation? In which case, is there a limited supply of souls? Or do we have a finite stock of souls waiting to be sent to earth when a baby is born?
I believe in a God that watches over me and everybody. I'm just trying to find a logical explanation for some of the things stated as fact.
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