New Deal for Hoyer?
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I like Hoyer's competitive spirit. Matches Johnny's exactly and will make for a great tandem for the Browns regardless of who starts the first game. You can bet that whichever one ends up second will not sit and cry in his beer, but continue efforts to prove staff they are wrong in selecting the other guy.They're two peas in a pod.
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Well...just in case Johnny doesn't work out, at least we got a competent QB to bridge us to the NEXT first round QB selection.
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Fair to say it's a pretty big gap between starter money and solid backup money. I'd kinda be impressed with the guy for rejecting the latter and letting his play bump him up to the starter realm. No doubt he wants to be here, but the clock is ticking and like any professional he wants to hear a cha-ching when it goes off.
Not that he'd want to talk on a money phone, but it would be nice to have the option.
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This season is Brian Hoyer's shot for a big payday. If he leads Cleveland to 8+ victories the Browns will have to pony-up with the big check to keep him - because some other QB-starved team sure will. Hoyer's agent is also Joe Flacco's agent - so he knows how to navigate these contract waters. Just like Flacco, I expect that Hoyer won't sign until after the season - and I hope it's for a huge number.
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until he wins like flacco or any other top 15(ish) QB in the league there isn't going to be a huge contract. now i hope he kicks freakin butt and the browns have to seriously consider paying him. but for the sake of the team let's not break the bank on hoyer unless he becomes tom brady over night.
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If all the FO is offering is backup money now then he has nothing to lose by playing out the season. Worst case for him is JFF takes the starting role and does well. Best case is he starts and plays well enough to never relinquish the starting role. Looks like a win-win for Hoyer to me. Everything to gain by his play and nothing to lose from the current money status if he is a backup.
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If all the FO is offering is backup money now then he has nothing to lose by playing out the season. Worst case for him is JFF takes the starting role and does well. Best case is he starts and plays well enough to never relinquish the starting role. Looks like a win-win for Hoyer to me. Everything to gain by his play and nothing to lose from the current money status if he is a backup.
If all the FO is offering is backup money now then he has nothing to lose by playing out the season. Worst case for him is JFF takes the starting role and does well. Best case is he starts and plays well enough to never relinquish the starting role. Looks like a win-win for Hoyer to me. Everything to gain by his play and nothing to lose from the current money status if he is a backup.
He loses if JFF starts ahead of him, and by the end of the season he's out of contract, and teams don't want to take a chance on a career backup who had a couple of good games a couple of years ago.
I don't see it happening - JFF starting - but it's possible.
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Just because JFF starts, it doesn't mean he'll finish.
Texas A&M have one of the best offensive lines in college football and JFF had numerous injuries over the past 2 seasons.
The hits will be bigger and more vicious in the NFL.
The bigger question is, what if Hoyer leads the Browns to the playoffs .... dear i say even WIN a playoff game.
What do we do then? Do we pony up with JFF refusing to change his partying ways?
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If Hoyer leads us late in to the playoffs, then Hoyer probably remains the starter. JFF continues to sit.
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It's risky but I'd definitely wait if I were Hoyer. Barring totally shitting the bed out there the deal he'll get today will be there later in the season. There's more chance for him to earn more money than to lose it.
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If Hoyer leads us late in to the playoffs, then Hoyer probably remains the starter. JFF continues to sit.
If Hoyer leads us late in to the palyoffs, then Hoyer probably remains the starter. JFF continues to sit.
Hey is this captain obvious?
Keep in mind that if he goes 0 and 3 he won't have the chance to lead the team deep into the playoffs.
3 and 0 , which hasn't been done here for a hell of a long time, he can write his own ticket.
If you were in his shoes do take that gamble?
WSS
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If Hoyer leads us late in to the palyoffs, then Hoyer probably remains the starter. JFF continues to sit.
Hey is this captain obvious?
Keep in mind that if he goes 0 and 3 he won't have the chance to lead the team deep into the playoffs.
3 and 0 , which hasn't been done here for a hell of a long time, he can write his own ticket.
If you were in his shoes do take that gamble?
WSS
Hey is this captain obvious?
Keep in mind that if he goes 0 and 3 he won't have the chance to lead the team deep into the playoffs.
3 and 0 , which hasn't been done here for a hell of a long time, he can write his own ticket.
If you were in his shoes do take that gamble?
WSS
Just responding to the obvious question with the obvious answer!
If I'm in his shoes, I don't sign a contract now - or if I do, it's for double money for an extra year. Make his $1m for 1 year deal, $2m per year for 2 years. If he sucks, he's still got a nice pay bump and then goes back to being a backup. If he wins, he's got a renewal coming up at the end of the season.
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I think itll be somewhere in the range of 3 yr 10-12 mill. A substantial raise and some stability, not too much, not too little. Top backup money, but he'll sign because of the uncertainty of the situation.
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I think itll be somewhere in the range of 3 yr 10-12 mill. A substantial raise and some stability, not too much, not too little. Top backup money, but he'll sign because of the uncertainty of the situation.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think itll be somewhere in the range of 3 yr 10-12 mill. A substantial raise and some stability, not too much, not too little. Top backup money, but he'll sign because of the uncertainty of the situation.
Half guaranteed with possible mutual option in year 3 and that might do it... for now.
I like Hoyer's competitive spirit. Matches Johnny's exactly and will make for a great tandem for the Browns regardless of who starts the first game. You can bet that whichever one ends up second will not sit and cry in his beer, but continue efforts to prove staff they are wrong in selecting the other guy.They're two peas in a pod.
A mutant pod maybe...
Agree both are competitive, but Hoyer's is tempered by his maturity. It's called "being a pro". No such counterbalancing force is discernable in JM's make-up as yet.
Plus weren't you one of those that pointed out that JM needs to start to keep him focused? That his redshirt frosh year has already showed he does not sit well?
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All of you JF nuthuggers should read this for what it is....an indictment of jf's ability to start opening day, or even opening day 2015. My dream scenario when we drafted JF was for him to sit and study behind Hoyer for "at least" 2 years. It looks like the Browns have thankfully figured out this is the way to go.
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as a player you are always one hit away from ending his career and if you haven't signed for the pot 'o gold before that time you'd be kicking yourself in the arse for the rest of your life (that is if you still have a leg to kick himself in the arse with).
getting hurt last year might throw a little push behind hoyer's decision.
and no, this isn't a post about gordon with terms like one hit, pot and arse (being josh himself).
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I think itll be somewhere in the range of 3 yr 10-12 mill. A substantial raise and some stability, not too much, not too little. Top backup money, but he'll sign because of the uncertainty of the situation.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think itll be somewhere in the range of 3 yr 10-12 mill. A substantial raise and some stability, not too much, not too little. Top backup money, but he'll sign because of the uncertainty of the situation.
Didn't the Browns pay Delhomme something like $3 million? I'd ask for a ton of performance incentives- and I'd bet the Browns would be more than happy to oblige.
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Every time JFF is snapped drinking Moet out of Justin beiber's asshole, Brian sits at home rubbing out his contract figure and adding zeros to it. I bet he's telling JFF that he thinks he great and hell yes, go party, you're young have some life, whilst he phone's his agent tipping the paps off about where Johnnyis going for the weekend.
So two points there, JFF's antics have I am sure made Hoyer leverage his position and why not, he hasn't proved much be has proved more than Johnny and the Ginger Nutt we drafted before him. We should get Brian done, perhaps for a little more than we might have thanks to JFF but we'll get him done.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think itll be somewhere in the range of 3 yr 10-12 mill. A substantial raise and some stability, not too much, not too little. Top backup money, but he'll sign because of the uncertainty of the situation.
Didn't the Browns pay Delhomme something like $3 million? I'd ask for a ton of performance incentives- and I'd bet the Browns would be more than happy to oblige.
I have no idea what Delhomme made, but I doubt itll be incentive laced considering he may be a backup, a big chunk will be guaranteed as Tour mentioned.Didn't the Browns pay Delhomme something like $3 million? I'd ask for a ton of performance incentives- and I'd bet the Browns would be more than happy to oblige.
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We have not had a QB start 16 games since Couch, JFF will start a game sometime this season. If I were Hoyer I would sign now, play it out, then cash in when and if he loses his starting job to JFF. There will be plenty of suitors if he wants to continue being a starter elsewhere. Now I ask was his good play a product of Turners offense or a product of Hoyer becoming a quality starter in any offense? That question will be answered early I believe.
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