Utopia
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Thought experiment time.
At some point in the future, after we're all dead if it helps, suppose that there's only enough work for maybe 10% of the world's population.
Farming - automated seeding, fertilizing, ploughing, harvesting etc. Maybe a few jobs still need to be done by hand.
Food processing and packaging is mostly done machines now, in the future maybe this gets optimised to be all done by machines.
Public transport is all automated and runs on electric from our ultra efficient solar/wind farms - still need some technicians to maintain them.
Cars are all automated, so no need for taxi drivers?
The main industries are now creative - designing new ways to entertain ourselves, new video games, more plays, films, musicals and the rest. But there's only a small percentage of the population with the talent to do that. Sports, also, only a small fraction.
So in this utopia, what do people do? How do you earn money to go and see films or sports? Or should these be free? Should everyone work 5 hours a week doing the stuff that needs to be done, like working in restaurants & bars, or whatever, and take home full pay?
Do you earn money to pay for food, or food stamps for everyone? And if you pay for food, where does the money go? Robot farmers don't need it!
So, once technological advances have reached this point, what does society look like?
I haven't thought about it anywhere near enough to reach a conclusion either way. I just find the concept that a capitalist paradise leads to technological breakthroughs that potentially enable a communist utopia highly amusing.
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I feel like the main industry would be IT/Comp Sci/Electrical Engineering though. We'd also still need scientists and engineers to keep driving technology forward.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I feel like the main industry would be IT/Comp Sci/Electrical Engineering though. We'd also still need scientists and engineers to keep driving technology forward.
I feel like the main industry would be IT/Comp Sci/Electrical Engineering though. We'd also still need scientists and engineers to keep driving technology forward.
Forward to what end? If agricultural technology has reached a point where we can easily feed the world, if energy is being produced in abundance, what exactly are we advancing towards?
Apart from, obviously, looking beyond this planet for habitats...
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one would think that there would be a great need for entertainers musicians singers actors artists athletes and so forth to entertain the slugs.
And doctors to keep the useless lumps of flesh alive longer and longer!
And those people who entertain the masses will be placed on even higher pedestal then they are now! The common people will be killing each other for their 15 minutes of fame, especially with nothing else to do!
And let's not forget the armed forces employed by those who love power which ironically includes, well, every fucking body.
WSS
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People will be fat, useless slugs. Laying around resembling the actual creature itself. Being fed, changed and entertained without having to actually move.
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People will be fat, useless slugs. Laying around resembling the actual creature itself. Being fed, changed and entertained without having to actually move.
People will be fat, useless slugs. Laying around resembling the actual creature itself. Being fed, changed and entertained without having to actually move.
Kinda there already.
But does that mean society would be better off holding back some of its advances to make life 'harder' and make people appreciate what they have, as well as getting exercise?
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People will be fat, useless slugs. Laying around resembling the actual creature itself. Being fed, changed and entertained without having to actually move.
Kinda there already.
But does that mean society would be better off holding back some of its advances to make life 'harder' and make people appreciate what they have, as well as getting exercise?
Yes kinda there already. Well especially when you consider the very poorest urban neighborhoods where even people living at we call the poverty level have color cable TV, food stamps, nearly free utilities, free public education,free cell phones, free healthcare and free public transportation. I wonder why then are those not the happiest places in the world?!Kinda there already.
But does that mean society would be better off holding back some of its advances to make life 'harder' and make people appreciate what they have, as well as getting exercise?
WSS
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Actually I think the 'kinda there already' are in the ghetto's. Lazy, dependent population. The middle class work. The rich work. Saw an interesting video of all the bars in an predominantly black neighborhood letting out. They flooded a local Indian run convenience store and just ate/drank whatever they wanted in the store without paying, then left. After throwing their unpaid garbage on the floor of course.
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Presumably because of a lack of ability to escape the poverty, to do better than their parents - that's the dream, right? To rise above your birth station.
I wonder to what degree there is an ingrained hating of 'the man' as well - in spite of all the free stuff they get, people living on benefits are always complaining about the government. Their parents, too, probably complained, and they were raised in a culture of hate.
I wonder, also, how happy first generation immigrants are, when they arrive and get free stuff from the government, compared to the rape and genocide they fled.
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Lack of ability to do better than their parents? After two three four five generations of welfare? Anyway in your utopia even if anybody wanted to better their lives how do you propose they do it? We only need 5% of the population to do anything so we can give free shit to the rest right? But ask yourself what people love... Like I said power and dominance. Those most fit a dominate the rest. Rape murder enslaved whatever you want to call it.
The very few people who do anything will actually be almost gods and the masses will have almost no chance to join that rag.
Holding sway over the rest of the proletariat will be about the only way to feel superior. Thank you science!
WSS
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And I'd bet 1st generation immigrants from poverty stricken hell holes are probably happier here than there. The next generation didn't experience the hell hole so they don't give a shit. And those that did can prey upon the weak and soft members of society they have infiltrated.
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I feel like the main industry would be IT/Comp Sci/Electrical Engineering though. We'd also still need scientists and engineers to keep driving technology forward.
I feel like the main industry would be IT/Comp Sci/Electrical Engineering though. We'd also still need scientists and engineers to keep driving technology forward.
Kinda of like what happend in Terminator 2?
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Space man. We have to look to get off the planet or we're doomed. DOOMED!
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Utopia to me would be.........
LIve until 90 and not care about ANYTHING when they die
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I feel like the main industry would be IT/Comp Sci/Electrical Engineering though. We'd also still need scientists and engineers to keep driving technology forward.
Forward to what end? If agricultural technology has reached a point where we can easily feed the world, if energy is being produced in abundance, what exactly are we advancing towards?
Apart from, obviously, looking beyond this planet for habitats...
Forward to what end? If agricultural technology has reached a point where we can easily feed the world, if energy is being produced in abundance, what exactly are we advancing towards?
Apart from, obviously, looking beyond this planet for habitats...
Forward! Always forward!
Technology could always be improved. Improved efficiency, new forms of food/energy, solving the new problems that would be created, exploring space, etc
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Would virtual reality sex and/or male birth control be available?
Without either, the sexual market will still be alive and well; with limited options people's intelligence would be spent on how to steal status, wealth in order to attract a smashing partner.
What do women want?
more.
And as long as men are willing to try to obtain that in exchange for booty, a utopia is impossible.
That's the market you need to consider more than anything.
Is sex the root of all evil? or is it money?
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Just to be clear here, I'm not saying this is the perfect vision of the future. I'm saying that with technology advances making more people redundant, we seem to be heading towards a society where there will be high unemployment, with little demands for low-skilled jobs, and I'm just wondering what the pitfalls would be.
Everyone seems to be in agreement that entertaining the great unwashed is going to be the biggest problem - so do we need to find 'jobs' that need doing? Do we halt the advances of technology to keep people in jobs?
People will still want to travel the world, so they'll still need hotels and things, so people will still need to pay for things, so they'll still need an income. Or do they get 'travel credits' that allow them to travel wherever they like within a budget?
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Sure people would want to do a lot of shit, Chris! Personally I'd like to fuck Paula Abdul. Of course if 85 percent or more of the population is on the dole then I guess what they want is going to be beyond their means.
WSS
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