Jonathan Paul Manziel
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So I'm wondering when we see JFF in a commercial. Subway? McD's? Who knows. It should happen real soon.
So I'm wondering when we see JFF in a commercial. Subway? McD's? Who knows. It should happen real soon.
Miller Lite, Fireball, and whoever makes those inflatable swans.
Zombo
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He's already filmed one for Nissan I thought?
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So I'm wondering when we see JFF in a commercial. Subway? McD's? Who knows. It should happen real soon.
So I'm wondering when we see JFF in a commercial. Subway? McD's? Who knows. It should happen real soon.
He was in a McD's commercial with Lebron.
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So I'm wondering when we see JFF in a commercial. Subway? McD's? Who knows. It should happen real soon.
He was in a McD's commercial with Lebron.
He was in a McD's commercial with Lebron.
I love JF- he's just so cool. Nah Walter- finally got around to watching the REAL draft Day on NFLN. He's got potential- we'll see how much pretty soon.
Zombo said:
Miller Lite, Fireball, and whoever makes those inflatable swans.
Zombo
Grey Goose, Moet. Hey- we're 1\2 way through a couple of weekends with no Johnny instagrams- I'm impressed...
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Nate Ulrich: Expect Brian Hoyer to maintain lead over Johnny Manziel in Browns QB derby
By Nate Ulrich
Beacon Journal sports writerPublished: July 19, 2014 - 11:32 AM | Updated: July 20, 2014 - 07:17 AM
Cleveland Browns quarterbacks Johnny Manziel (left) and Brian Hoyer prepare to throw a pass while participating in drills during the team's organized team activities at their training facility on Wednesday, May 28, 2014, in Berea, Ohio. (Ed Suba Jr./Akron Beacon Journal)RELATED STORIESEditor’s note: This is the first installment of a seven-part series in which Browns beat writer Nate Ulrich analyzes players who will vie for starting jobs or other important roles during training camp. The first full-squad practice of camp is scheduled to run from 9:30 a.m.-12:10 p.m. Saturday at the team’s headquarters in Berea.
Despite all the attention, all the hype, all the hoopla, odds are Johnny Football will begin his career with the Browns as Johnny Backup.
The battle between rookie Johnny Manziel and veteran Brian Hoyer for the team’s starting quarterback job will be the most dominant storyline of Browns training camp by far. It’ll also be one of the hottest topics in the entire NFL this preseason because of Manziel’s celebrity.
Manziel is the young, hotshot, Heisman winner from Texas A&M whose No. 2 jersey already ranks among the league’s best sellers and whose persistent partying generated headlines throughout the spring and summer. On May 8, the Browns made it clear they view him as their future because they traded up from 26th overall to select him at No. 22 in the first round of the NFL Draft.
Hoyer is the under-the-radar, low-key veteran from North Olmsted who was stuck behind New England Patriots star Tom Brady for three seasons before bouncing around the league, eventually breaking through last fall with the Browns and leading them to back-to-back wins, only to suffer a devastating knee injury in his third start with his hometown team and his fourth start in five NFL seasons.
On paper, Manziel looks like the front-runner. Many members of the national media certainly believe he’ll become an immediate starter.
However, my prediction is the same it was in the spring: Barring injury, Hoyer will prevail.
As mandatory minicamp wrapped up June 12, Browns coach Mike Pettine declared Hoyer would be the starter heading into training camp. The rookie head coach also said Hoyer is “securely ahead” of Manziel but insisted Hoyer’s lead is not “insurmountable.”
In other words, it wouldn’t be surprising if Manziel found a way to surpass Hoyer with strong performances in training camp practices and preseason games. But I wouldn’t bet on it for several reasons.
For one, Pettine and his assistants have the utmost respect for Hoyer.
As the defensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills last season, Pettine had to prepare for Hoyer right after he provided the Browns with a tremendous spark in the wake of their 0-2 start and the Trent Richardson trade, a shocking, locker-room-rattling move at the time. On Oct. 3, Hoyer suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee during the first quarter against the Bills. Pettine believes the Browns would have won enough games to keep coach Rob Chudzinski from being fired had Hoyer stayed healthy.
General Manager Ray Farmer not only thinks Manziel has a lot of work to do if he wants to catch Hoyer in the quarterback derby, but he also believes Hoyer has many traits of a legitimate starter. The team’s brass talking to Hoyer’s agent, Joe Linta, this summer about a contract extension gives its praise substance. Hoyer is scheduled to become a free agent next March. He is set to make a base salary of $1 million during the 2014 season with an opportunity to earn an extra $1.15 million in incentives.
A St. Ignatius High School graduate, Hoyer doesn’t have a big arm or elite athletic ability. But combine his knack for reading defenses, cycling through progressions and releasing the ball quickly with decent mobility, an obsessive work ethic and desirable leadership qualities, and it’s reasonable to project him as a successful starter for more than just a few games.
The coaches and front office like Manziel’s skill set even more, as evidenced by the organization trading up to pick him in the first round with the belief he could one day wreck this league. At 5-foot-11¾ inches, he must prove he can consistently deliver accurate passes from the pocket, but his mobility makes him an ideal fit for the read-option plays new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan used with Robert Griffin III with the Washington Redskins.
Manziel, though, might not be ready to live up to his playmaking potential right off the bat. Not many rookie quarterbacks are.
It’s the primary reason why Pettine has repeatedly said starting Manziel in the Sept. 7 season opener at the Pittsburgh Steelers would not be ideal. Coaches want to avoid less-than-ideal situations whenever they can, especially in their debuts at the helm and especially when their quarterback will face Steelers defensive coordinator and ancient master of the zone blitz Dick LeBeau.
Hoyer will be up for the task, provided he continues to rebound from injury.
Throughout the spring, Hoyer took first-team reps in seven-on-seven drills but sat out 11-on-11 sessions (except for toned-down, simulated versions) to ensure teammates wouldn’t inadvertently slam into his surgically repaired knee. When Hoyer rested in team drills, Manziel took the reigns of the first-team offense.
Training camp will be different because Hoyer has been fully cleared for team drills. He and Manziel are expected to receive first-team work in practices and preseason games, giving coaches opportunities to make side-by-side comparisons.
During organized team activities and minicamps, the coaches saw Hoyer operate the offense more efficiently than Manziel, who signed a four-year, $8.25 million deal last month. The Browns are Hoyer’s fourth NFL team and Shanahan’s system is his sixth offense, so he’s accustomed to adapting and knows what it takes to absorb a flood of new information.
On the other hand, this is all new to Manziel. He’s still learning the playbook, its verbiage and figuring out how to adjust his style to the NFL. He’s been inconsistent as a result. Sometimes his mechanics are good and he spins the ball. At other times, he throws wobbly passes off his back foot.
Not to belabor this point because I’ve been writing about it for three months, but I believe Manziel’s relentless partying this offseason hurts his chances to usurp Hoyer heading into the season.
Manziel has a right to travel and hang out with his friends in nightclubs. But when those activities become a weekly occurrence, the grind of living life to the fullest could make it difficult for someone new on the job to chase down a veteran with a secure lead who has barely taken time off this offseason (just five days by Hoyer’s count), who has been consistently working out at the team’s headquarters and who has been throwing to receivers Andrew Hawkins, Miles Austin, Travis Benjamin and Charles Johnson to further prepare for camp.
So I’m picking Hoyer to win the job, even though 11 of 16 quarterbacks taken in the first round since 2008 have started right away.
How long he’d keep it would depend on wins and losses, but I don’t think the leash would be long. For example, if the Browns start the season 0-3 after visiting the Steelers and hosting the New Orleans Saints and Baltimore Ravens, it would be convenient for Pettine to promote Manziel during the Week 4 bye and have him ready to face the Tennessee Titans on the road Oct. 5.
But even if Hoyer becomes the starter and wins like he did last season, it wouldn’t necessarily preclude Manziel from playing as a rookie. I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of Shanahan featuring Manziel in certain packages.
And remember, the backup always seems to find himself in the lineup in Cleveland. No Browns quarterback has started all 16 regular-season games since Tim Couch in 2001.
Which is why the competition between veteran Tyler Thigpen and undrafted rookie Connor Shaw for the No. 3 quarterback job could be more important than anyone wants to admit. As Pat Shurmur would say, “I saw some eyes roll.” Still, the Browns have started three quarterbacks in two of the past four seasons, so it does matter.
In the undercard featuring Thigpen and Shaw, I’ll go with the rookie because of the upside he showed in spring practices and because Thigpen was out of football last season.
In the main event pitting Hoyer against Manziel, I’ll stick with the veteran and expect the rookie to surface at some point during the season.
Nate Ulrich can be reached at [email protected]. Read the Browns blog atwww.ohio.com/browns. Follow him on Twitter at www.twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ and on Facebook www.facebook.com/abj.sports.
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It truly seems like Hoyer is P and F's guy, and it's not just words in an attempt to keep JF's ego under control. If those two see Hoyer over JF, who I think has a lot of talent, than I see a fun season ahead
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Just when the JFF fans finally calmed down on this board, you go and post something like this....
Which is kind of a non-article. But any news is news til camp. September can't get here fast enough
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A 1st round QB "should" be able to beat out a career backup... if not, that either says Hoyer is better than a career backup or Manziel is not as good as we hoped,he would be.
I think it would be hard to have a competition between these two in camp because you may never see what Manziel can do until you see him in a game situation. In a structured/simulated practice setting, if Manziel is even close to Hoyer I would give him the nod because of what he is capable of in real situations
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A 1st round QB "should" be able to beat out a career backup... if not, that either says Hoyer is better than a career backup or Manziel is not as good as we hoped,he would be.
I think it would be hard to have a competition between these two in camp because you may never see what Manziel can do until you see him in a game situation. In a structured/simulated practice setting, if Manziel is even close to Hoyer I would give him the nod because of what he is capable of in real situations
A 1st round QB "should" be able to beat out a career backup... if not, that either says Hoyer is better than a career backup or Manziel is not as good as we hoped,he would be.
I think it would be hard to have a competition between these two in camp because you may never see what Manziel can do until you see him in a game situation. In a structured/simulated practice setting, if Manziel is even close to Hoyer I would give him the nod because of what he is capable of in real situations
So Weeden and Quinn should still be on the team then?
As for the thread, I think it will be a heated compitition. Those who go to training camp will get to see first hand if it is going to be a fair one.
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Hoyer is the starter week 1, like others have said, Manziel wont just sit on the bench the whole year, he will play, but will not start.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I didnt read the article, i think Ulrich is a Manziel hater.
lol... and the above is all I read of your post...
Good, level-headed article, but nothing really original or earth shattering.
The one point I think it missed is that Defensive-minded HCs like QBs that are game managers, i.e., QBs that avoid unforced errors. At this point I think BH is that QB.
One JM comment in the article was about his "inconsistency" throwing the ball. One comment made about his work with Whitfield in prep for his pro day was about how he was now getting his pinky on the laces and how much it tightened his spiral and improved his control.
Yet in about half of what is now "stock footage" of JM throwing the pinky is not on the laces. Still a work in progress apparently, but it raises questions about JM's focus when he displays a lack of attention to this fundamental detail... one that's impact JM himself called amazing.
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So I'm wondering when we see JFF in a commercial. Subway? McD's? Who knows. It should happen real soon.
He was in a McD's commercial with Lebron.
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Bottom line is the best Quarterback in the view of the coaching staff will start. Don't matter what we or the writers think.
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@everlastingxxx said:
It wasnt a knock on Joe Thomas. BTW, you dont have to read and respond to everything i post.
I only respond to really interesting stuff and really, really stupid stuff. Guess which category you fit in?
Saying the 22nd pick in the draft is the best player on our offense is beyond comprehension, considering four guys in this offense were Pro Bowlers last year and Manziel hasn't even had a training camp.
I don't even remember a QB being the best player on his offense before he even played with any of them, let alone won his position battle.
John Elway, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck ... no-brainer first overall picks ... were not the best players on their offenses to begin their career.
Just a dumb statement.
The guy gets passed over 21 times by NFL execs, but he can walk on to the field and be better than a 29 year old 7 time Pro Bowler?
Zombo
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