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  • It truly seems like Hoyer is P and F's guy, and it's not just words in an attempt to keep JF's ego under control. If those two see Hoyer over JF, who I think has a lot of talent, than I see a fun season ahead

  • Hoyers a man. Johnny Footballs a boy. I want to see a man running the show. Hell who knows though maybe JFF will prove me wrong. Its happened a time or two in the past.

  • Just when the JFF fans finally calmed down on this board, you go and post something like this....

    Which is kind of a non-article. But any news is news til camp. September can't get here fast enough

  • A 1st round QB "should" be able to beat out a career backup... if not, that either says Hoyer is better than a career backup or Manziel is not as good as we hoped,he would be.

    I think it would be hard to have a competition between these two in camp because you may never see what Manziel can do until you see him in a game situation. In a structured/simulated practice setting, if Manziel is even close to Hoyer I would give him the nod because of what he is capable of in real situations

    #Justsayin'
    cambridgehoC hoortaH 2 Replies
  • thenew23T thenew23

    A 1st round QB "should" be able to beat out a career backup... if not, that either says Hoyer is better than a career backup or Manziel is not as good as we hoped,he would be.

    I think it would be hard to have a competition between these two in camp because you may never see what Manziel can do until you see him in a game situation. In a structured/simulated practice setting, if Manziel is even close to Hoyer I would give him the nod because of what he is capable of in real situations

    @thenew23 said:

    A 1st round QB "should" be able to beat out a career backup... if not, that either says Hoyer is better than a career backup or Manziel is not as good as we hoped,he would be.

    I think it would be hard to have a competition between these two in camp because you may never see what Manziel can do until you see him in a game situation. In a structured/simulated practice setting, if Manziel is even close to Hoyer I would give him the nod because of what he is capable of in real situations

    So Weeden and Quinn should still be on the team then?

    As for the thread, I think it will be a heated compitition. Those who go to training camp will get to see first hand if it is going to be a fair one.

    thenew23T 1 Reply

  • Hoyer is the starter week 1, like others have said, Manziel wont just sit on the bench the whole year, he will play, but will not start.

    miktoxicM 1 Reply
  • T Taco918

    He just signed a deal with snickers.

    @taco918 said:

    He just signed a deal with snickers.

    satisfied?

  • 4. Manziel is the best player on the offense

    Joe Thomas is a Hall of Fame talent.

    Just stop posting.

    Zombo

  • @everlastingxxx said:

    I didnt read the article, i think Ulrich is a Manziel hater.

    lol... and the above is all I read of your post...

    Good, level-headed article, but nothing really original or earth shattering.

    The one point I think it missed is that Defensive-minded HCs like QBs that are game managers, i.e., QBs that avoid unforced errors. At this point I think BH is that QB.

    One JM comment in the article was about his "inconsistency" throwing the ball. One comment made about his work with Whitfield in prep for his pro day was about how he was now getting his pinky on the laces and how much it tightened his spiral and improved his control.

    Yet in about half of what is now "stock footage" of JM throwing the pinky is not on the laces. Still a work in progress apparently, but it raises questions about JM's focus when he displays a lack of attention to this fundamental detail... one that's impact JM himself called amazing.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    So I'm wondering when we see JFF in a commercial. Subway? McD's? Who knows. It should happen real soon.

    He was in a McD's commercial with Lebron.

    @walterwhite said:

    He was in a McD's commercial with Lebron.

    Cameo... non-speaking role...

    @taco918 said:

    He just signed a deal with snickers.

    That's just nuts...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Bottom line is the best Quarterback in the view of the coaching staff will start. Don't matter what we or the writers think.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • @everlastingxxx said:

    It wasnt a knock on Joe Thomas. BTW, you dont have to read and respond to everything i post.

    I only respond to really interesting stuff and really, really stupid stuff. Guess which category you fit in?

    Saying the 22nd pick in the draft is the best player on our offense is beyond comprehension, considering four guys in this offense were Pro Bowlers last year and Manziel hasn't even had a training camp.

    I don't even remember a QB being the best player on his offense before he even played with any of them, let alone won his position battle.

    John Elway, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck ... no-brainer first overall picks ... were not the best players on their offenses to begin their career.

    Just a dumb statement.

    The guy gets passed over 21 times by NFL execs, but he can walk on to the field and be better than a 29 year old 7 time Pro Bowler?

    Zombo

  • you mean sniggers.

  • "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • cambridgehoC cambridgeho

    @thenew23 said:

    A 1st round QB "should" be able to beat out a career backup... if not, that either says Hoyer is better than a career backup or Manziel is not as good as we hoped,he would be.

    I think it would be hard to have a competition between these two in camp because you may never see what Manziel can do until you see him in a game situation. In a structured/simulated practice setting, if Manziel is even close to Hoyer I would give him the nod because of what he is capable of in real situations

    So Weeden and Quinn should still be on the team then?

    As for the thread, I think it will be a heated compitition. Those who go to training camp will get to see first hand if it is going to be a fair one.

    @cambridgeho said:

    So Weeden and Quinn should still be on the team then?

    Is that what I said? Wow, could've fooled me. Did they beat out the career backups in camp to start? Just because they were the best we had doesn't mean success. Same goes for the two we have right now...
    #Justsayin'

  • @everlastingxxx said:

    I didnt read the article, i think Ulrich is a Manziel hater.

    That said, i think Manziel starts on opening day because:

    1. Offense is tailor made for a double threat QB.

    2. Lack of WR talent will need more time to get open and a mobile QB can do that.

    3. Hoyer is over rated and coming off a serious knee injury. Takes 2 years to fully recover.

    4. Manziel is the best player on the offense

    I do think the competition will drag on till the end because i think the evaluation is tricky and they want to keep the Steelers guessing. Manziel will throw more INTs but also make more big plays. Hoyer is safer and more of a game manager. I also think Shanny wont show the real offense during the preseason, much like he did with Washington. On opening day he caught the Saints off guard with an offensive system the NFL hadnt seen before.

    To your points 1.) The offense will be tailored to whomever they feel should start. 2) I think Hoyer is adequately mobile to extend plays 3) part one is purely opinion based, recovery times are getting shorter and shorter with better medical technology and athletes dedicated to rehab. 4) Absolute pure speculation. Neither you or anyone else has a clue how well or poorly Manziel will play in this offense and in the NFL.

    I am no Manziel hater and hope it was a good draft pick. Having said that at this point Hoyer is far more of a professional athlete than JFF>

  • @everlastingxxx said:

    My comment is predicated on the future and what he will be this season. Besides, i thought Manziel was the best player on the Texas A&M offense and two other players were picked before him! I think he makes everyone better and is the fuel that keeps the offense running. Its an opinion obviously. Thomas, Cameron and Mack are great. Had i said Manziel was the 4th best player on the offense would that have made you feel better?

    I don't know, I haven't seen him play against an NFL defense yet. No one has.

    Let's see him be the best best QB on the roster first.

    Baby steps.

    Zombo

  • at this point i wished we had drafted WR @22 a waited another year for a QB.

    what a bunch of bullshit.

  • nissan of middletown heights.

    how much you think he got for that $250k if?

    well, i guess that's one good weekend in vegas.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    nissan of middletown heights.

    how much you think he got for that $250k if?

    well, i guess that's one good weekend in vegas.

    @miktoxic said:

    nissan of middletown heights.

    how much you think he got for that $250k if?

    well, i guess that's one good weekend in vegas.

    LOL, it's already gotten 250k+ hits. 🙂

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