Jonathan Paul Manziel
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@mike-h said:
You're pretty close to objective. Like you said, there are a few dickless old men who hated the Manziel pick, and they will continue to prop up a mediocre QB while hiding behind Browns fandom to hide their hurt egos.
Manziel was the guy they said wasn't a first round pick,and the guy the Browns wouldn't pick.
They think they actually understand football. Throwing shit on their monitors would be equally as productive as the thousands of misinformed and useless posts they flood this place with.
If you want thr link to a good Browns forum, hit me up Stockton.
Congrats on having the Browns interest in Johnny Football right Mike. It was dumb luck- or having a crystal ball- that Farmer was able to get him at #22- after he passed on him- twice. Not exactly a solid vote of confidence.
BTW, why don't you take your condescending posting along with Stockton? We've had the rare visitors here who would make you look like a dumb shit Mike. I'll save you the trouble if you think we're too fucking stupid to comprehend your incredible football wisdom.
I hated the Manziel pick primarily because of the off field antics- gee, Haslam happens to agree with me.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I dont know why Jerry Jones has to torture me with this crap. I was bummed out (ok devastated) when the Cowboys passed on Manziel but he has to continue to rue his choice. Again he talks about wanting to draft Manziel. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000370333/article/jerry-jones-i-was-so-close-to-drafting-johnny-manziel
His thoughts on Manziel:
"But Manziel is special. I know him personally. I know that he is going to be a success in the National Football League. And it was a hard decision. And it is one that I will probably for the rest of my career think about."
Anyways, i like Hoyer and i like Brown fans even if they post some ugly shit about Texas and Manziel fans. I think you guys deserve some success. It has been a long time. As a die-hard Cowboys fan, i did get to experience 3 Super Bowls. Its been a long fucking drought since then, i wont lie. But i really want you guys to do something special. I honestly believe Johnny will bring that to Cleveland. My wife the other night asked me...so what if Manziel fails?...i didnt flitch and told her...he wont.
I hope you're right.
I try hard to not slam other posters, even if I don't agree with what they're saying- in this case about Manziel. But fact is JF was passed over at least 9 times (by my count) by quarterback needy (or 1\2 needy) teams. MHO is if he had behaved off-field as well as say Bortles or Bridgewater- he may well have gotten drafted in the top 5. Regarding the Super Bowl- it's the 50th anniversary this year of Cleveland's last professional championship in any major sport. By far the longest wait of any city with at least. 3 major pro teams- football, basketball, baseball, hockey. Cubs fans? Boo hoo- Chicago had the Bulls and Bears. Lions fans? Tigers, Pistons, Red Wings. Some of us are starting to think the city is cursed- at least sports-wise.
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browns should trade him to jerry for a first round pick. if johnny brings that after the brown's bashing job.
that gives you 3 picks inside the top 10 next year.
when the owner uses the media constantly to punch a player, it's not a fit; time to move on. i can't imagine johnny isn't pissed about the situation too. prolly feels like an idiot for wanting to play for Cleveland.
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browns should trade him to jerry for a first round pick. if johnny brings that after the brown's bashing job.
that gives you 3 picks inside the top 10 next year.
when the owner uses the media constantly to punch a player, it's not a fit; time to move on. i can't imagine johnny isn't pissed about the situation too. prolly feels like an idiot for wanting to play for Cleveland.
browns should trade him to jerry for a first round pick. if johnny brings that after the brown's bashing job.
that gives you 3 picks inside the top 10 next year.
when the owner uses the media constantly to punch a player, it's not a fit; time to move on. i can't imagine johnny isn't pissed about the situation too. prolly feels like an idiot for wanting to play for Cleveland.
Yup, hasn't played a down yet. Time to move on.
It seems like JM realizes he actually has to work for it. You know, like how he had to at A&M his freshman year, something you Texas fags have been preaching since we drafted him.
So what do you Texas douche bags want? For him to anointed the once and future king or for him to actually earn his way?
Jesus weren't you the one bitching about Brown's fans acting like women? Unbelievable.
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so instead of just being on even ground and letting the QB competition unfold the way it will you come in here guns blazing because you think the majority of people are favoring hoyer?
well it's obvious that you are favoring manziel.
so? what now?
let me ask you a question. if it was a dead heat today (QB comp) and the majority of people were favoring hoyer....why do you think that might be?
(and it isn't because hoyer is from cleveland, so guess again).
maybe because one was at the facilities as much as possible, going home to his family and being a man while one was acting like an idiot and a spoiled brat.
Pretty sure Brandon Weeden was a choir boy family man too, doesn't seem to guarantee success.
You don't like Manziel as a person. That's the problem, so just say that, and let it be. That I understand.
However Manziel might be really really good. We don't know yet. And Hoyer might be really really bad. We don't know that yet either. But you seem to have locked in your answer on both.
Pretty sure Brandon Weeden was a choir boy family man too, doesn't seem to guarantee success.
You don't like Manziel as a person. That's the problem, so just say that, and let it be. That I understand.
However Manziel might be really really good. We don't know yet. And Hoyer might be really really bad. We don't know that yet either. But you seem to have locked in your answer on both.
i guess they don't teach people how to read and comprehend in texas. i told you i don't care who starts as the QB, more than once, what don't you get. i don't dislike JF, hell it's hard for me to point to 3 people i 'dislike' in life. do i agree with his behavior all the time? no. when i was 21 did i go out and party like a fool, yep, when i could. but you see i was in the army where it's like a 24/7 NFL football season. but yes, he has all the right in the world to do what he wants, just don't make the browns org. look like fools while doing so. fools for picking him in the first place.
objective? no. you have one agenda, to come on here and stir the pot between those that have local love for hoyer and those who are manziel fans. the REAL browns' fans want a winner no matter who starts at QB. that is something that you won't understand because you wear a TAMU manziel jersey. you don't know the first thing about the browns except they drafted your favorite man crush.
maybe you and mike SHOULD hold hands and go to another forum because your game has been found out and mike has long been exposed.
see ya! you will not be missed.
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browns should trade him to jerry for a first round pick. if johnny brings that after the brown's bashing job.
that gives you 3 picks inside the top 10 next year.
when the owner uses the media constantly to punch a player, it's not a fit; time to move on. i can't imagine johnny isn't pissed about the situation too. prolly feels like an idiot for wanting to play for Cleveland.
browns should trade him to jerry for a first round pick. if johnny brings that after the brown's bashing job.
that gives you 3 picks inside the top 10 next year.
when the owner uses the media constantly to punch a player, it's not a fit; time to move on. i can't imagine johnny isn't pissed about the situation too. prolly feels like an idiot for wanting to play for Cleveland.
You call that punching a player? Give me a break. The kid needs to focus on football and not pussy.
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@mike-h said:
Mik, you're a sweetheart
XXOO!!
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@mike-h said:
If you want thr link to a good Browns forum, hit me up Stockton.
Mike,
Why don't you just go to the "good" forum and stay there?
We like our forum the way it is.
All you add to ours anymore is that A. We are stupid if we are not behind Manziel 100% B. This forum sucks. C. People that disagree with you are failed human beings.
My laundry is more interesting than your most current posts. But I am sure you are saving your good stuff for the good forum where old Browns fans who base their opinions on years of watching the NFL are washed out by the slurping sounds of those who are all in on our latest #22 QB selection.
Z
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I created that forum. By kicking all whiners out of here.
Best thing we ever did.
And, yes, I support all of our regulars, young and old, Hoyer and Manziel, if they are Browns fans we want to hear their opinions. Constantly banging on each other and banging on the board ... We still heartily encourage those to leave.
Z
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Ok, I've stayed off this for awhile, but while I AM an "old dude", I certainly am NOT bitter. In fact, Mike, you post as if anyone who disagrees with you knows nothing of football. In fact, I would list you among our most close minded & judgmental members. ALL members here, you & I included, are entitled to our individual opinions, but NO ONE should be berated due to a differing opinion. It is this badmouthing of others that I find tiring (and "bitter"). IMHO, this is a great Board with many real Browns' FANS who contribute positively & support the Browns' TEAM. That TEAM will be determined by our FO & Coaching Staff, whose opinions I trust much more than I trust yours, mine, or other Fans. I will support that Browns' Team that takes the field. If this board isn't worthy of your knowledge, you are certainly free to take it elsewhere.
If I am a "bitter old dude" for this opinion, have at it, but keep in mind that if you you would actually LISTEN to some of us "bitter old dudes", you might learn some real life lessons & maybe even a little more about football. You may disagree, but showing a little respect for others just may be in order.
Mike
INΒ DORSEY I TRUST -
Hopefully Hoyer will win the starting job and the Shits will trade Manziel, or just outright cut him.
At that point, hopefully a real champion like Pittsburgh will pick him up so he can wear out that Cleveland azz twice a year.
But be comforted...you douches know football because you haven't been worth a shit since before a lot of you were born.
Fuck Cleveland.
Hopefully Hoyer will win the starting job and the Shits will trade Manziel, or just outright cut him.
At that point, hopefully a real champion like Pittsburgh will pick him up so he can wear out that Cleveland azz twice a year.
But be comforted...you douches know football because you haven't been worth a shit since before a lot of you were born.
Fuck Cleveland.
Since I was born the Browns have won 3 championships.....numerous division and conference titles.
Sorry, but the fact is we DO know football.....and that is why most of us are not Johnny Football sycophants. I mean guys like you would drink his pee if it meant you could get close to him. We ARE Johnny Football fans....and we want him to do tremendously well.......but because we do know football so well we are also realistic. Just because a penny is bright and shiny doesn't mean it is worth much in the way of currency. I don't want JFF's value to be a copper Lincoln. I want it to be a paper Franklin. So, FYI, JFF has to earn a lot of interest to get where he needs to be.
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Once again everyone is getting WAYYYY to heated up over this.
I get the sense there are a fair amount of people who didn't want Manziel, watched the draft with pro-Manziel buddies and instead of admitting defeat are now doubling down with "Well he's going to be a bust" and "He's an embarrassment to the franchise because of his selfies" so they don't have to be "wrong" about the draft.
The point is this, with Manziel you might have a bad player, its possible, we will see. But you also have what the Browns haven't had in such a long time which is the potential for a superstar. And I'm not just talking about star, I'm saying HOF superstar. The potential is there. He did things in the SEC that are extremely rare, and he made plays that none of us have seen before.
Now will that translate to the NFL, we will see, but the chance is there. There is a chance we have the future biggest star in the NFL on our roster. Brett Favre-ish.Now with Hoyer we have a guy who played well for roughly 1 and half games in his career. Now I don't think Hoyer sucks, but I'm not seeing any potential for star here. I do think he could be an 8-8 QB. I don't think he's very accurate, and I do think a torn ACL doesn't help. Neither does Norv Turner moving on.
I have a hard time thinking that this emphatic Hoyer dedication from some fans would be the same if it was Teddy Twatwater that we drafted. I feel like there would a bit more excitement about the rookie. Which makes me think you just don't like Manziel. Which is fine, but don't disguise it as some kind of football conversation where you go "Oh well Hoyer has proven that he is a great game manager". No. Hoyer is nearly as raw as Manziel on the field. Just say "I don't like Johnny Manziel because I think he's a douchebag" and leave it at that. That I understand. So be it, and it's honest and it's fair.
Pretending that the reasons you dislike Manziel or are rooting for Hoyer are based on what has taken place on the football field is absurd. I've seen far more impressive things from Manziel, albeit in college in the SEC, than I saw out of Hoyer against the Vikings and Bengals.
And let's be real here, you know this isn't a real competition right? Manziel is going to play, eventually, when he's ready. He's not competing against Hoyer, he's competing against what the coaches think is "Ready". Once he hits that point, Manziel is the guy. Nobody actually thinks that we're going to go into 2015 with Hoyer still starting do they? 2016? I mean how much longer do you really think Hoyer has? This is already over, it just a matter of WHEN, not if.
The ceiling is so much higher for Manziel so so so so much higher. The floor is about the same for both of these players. How can that not be recognized? -
Ok, I've stayed off this for awhile, but while I AM an "old dude", I certainly am NOT bitter. In fact, Mike, you post as if anyone who disagrees with you knows nothing of football. In fact, I would list you among our most close minded & judgmental members. ALL members here, you & I included, are entitled to our individual opinions, but NO ONE should be berated due to a differing opinion. It is this badmouthing of others that I find tiring (and "bitter"). IMHO, this is a great Board with many real Browns' FANS who contribute positively & support the Browns' TEAM. That TEAM will be determined by our FO & Coaching Staff, whose opinions I trust much more than I trust yours, mine, or other Fans. I will support that Browns' Team that takes the field. If this board isn't worthy of your knowledge, you are certainly free to take it elsewhere.
If I am a "bitter old dude" for this opinion, have at it, but keep in mind that if you you would actually LISTEN to some of us "bitter old dudes", you might learn some real life lessons & maybe even a little more about football. You may disagree, but showing a little respect for others just may be in order.
Mike
Ok, I've stayed off this for awhile, but while I AM an "old dude", I certainly am NOT bitter. In fact, Mike, you post as if anyone who disagrees with you knows nothing of football. In fact, I would list you among our most close minded & judgmental members. ALL members here, you & I included, are entitled to our individual opinions, but NO ONE should be berated due to a differing opinion. It is this badmouthing of others that I find tiring (and "bitter"). IMHO, this is a great Board with many real Browns' FANS who contribute positively & support the Browns' TEAM. That TEAM will be determined by our FO & Coaching Staff, whose opinions I trust much more than I trust yours, mine, or other Fans. I will support that Browns' Team that takes the field. If this board isn't worthy of your knowledge, you are certainly free to take it elsewhere.
If I am a "bitter old dude" for this opinion, have at it, but keep in mind that if you you would actually LISTEN to some of us "bitter old dudes", you might learn some real life lessons & maybe even a little more about football. You may disagree, but showing a little respect for others just may be in order.
Mike
I can only surmise by the fact that he has no wish to hear opposing opinions means that it will be no different over there.
I mean, are they going to ignore a potential "Quarterback Controversy" over there....whereever there is?
Wasn't that board created, as Zombo said, because some guys that were on here were sycophants for one QB or another (Quinn or Anderson?)....and that they disliked an opposing opinion?
Here is the deal Mike H and others........my opinion is that I want the QB to play that will win..
....be that Hoyer/Manziel/Campbell/Weeden/McCoy/Tanney/Shaw/Thigpen/Delhomme/Quinn/Anderson etc. etc. etc.
I am not related to any of these guys, I am not their agent, they were not friends with my kids. They didn't go to my school
(Charlie Frye did....and when he was traded it was "Sayonara Sucker" as far as I am concerned..)
It doesn't matter to me who plays QB. That is why I contribute little on these QB argument threads. Because they are boring and unproductive.
So, run off if you can't take a little disagreement.
But......if it is your opinion that you want the guy you want regardless of whether or not that person is the best one to lead the Browns to victory....then yea, I got a problem with that opinion. It means you are like these JFF anus sniffers....you don't want what is best for the team....you want what is best for your......what? Ego? I don't know.
I never thought you were that kind of guy. Sorry if I was wrong.
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browns should trade him to jerry for a first round pick. if johnny brings that after the brown's bashing job.
that gives you 3 picks inside the top 10 next year.
when the owner uses the media constantly to punch a player, it's not a fit; time to move on. i can't imagine johnny isn't pissed about the situation too. prolly feels like an idiot for wanting to play for Cleveland.
Yup, hasn't played a down yet. Time to move on.
It seems like JM realizes he actually has to work for it. You know, like how he had to at A&M his freshman year, something you Texas fags have been preaching since we drafted him.
So what do you Texas douche bags want? For him to anointed the once and future king or for him to actually earn his way?
Jesus weren't you the one bitching about Brown's fans acting like women? Unbelievable.
Yup, hasn't played a down yet. Time to move on.
It seems like JM realizes he actually has to work for it. You know, like how he had to at A&M his freshman year, something you Texas fags have been preaching since we drafted him.
So what do you Texas douche bags want? For him to anointed the once and future king or for him to actually earn his way?
Jesus weren't you the one bitching about Brown's fans acting like women? Unbelievable.
Let's not compare shaming arguments and hyperbolic tone to an observation of leadership. Ok, Susan?
Damn, you're right, I guess I am getting down to the thread level.
Having to work for it? I can only guess you guys see this as your hs two-a-days. I don't even know what this means at the nfl level. Is there supposed to be some 80's music montage?
He's not missing workouts or practices so yea, he's working. But for what? You said he has to work for it.
The starting job? Ok.
I guess that makes hoyer a terrible worker.
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Once again everyone is getting WAYYYY to heated up over this.
I get the sense there are a fair amount of people who didn't want Manziel, watched the draft with pro-Manziel buddies and instead of admitting defeat are now doubling down with "Well he's going to be a bust" and "He's an embarrassment to the franchise because of his selfies" so they don't have to be "wrong" about the draft.
The point is this, with Manziel you might have a bad player, its possible, we will see. But you also have what the Browns haven't had in such a long time which is the potential for a superstar. And I'm not just talking about star, I'm saying HOF superstar. The potential is there. He did things in the SEC that are extremely rare, and he made plays that none of us have seen before.
Now will that translate to the NFL, we will see, but the chance is there. There is a chance we have the future biggest star in the NFL on our roster. Brett Favre-ish.Now with Hoyer we have a guy who played well for roughly 1 and half games in his career. Now I don't think Hoyer sucks, but I'm not seeing any potential for star here. I do think he could be an 8-8 QB. I don't think he's very accurate, and I do think a torn ACL doesn't help. Neither does Norv Turner moving on.
I have a hard time thinking that this emphatic Hoyer dedication from some fans would be the same if it was Teddy Twatwater that we drafted. I feel like there would a bit more excitement about the rookie. Which makes me think you just don't like Manziel. Which is fine, but don't disguise it as some kind of football conversation where you go "Oh well Hoyer has proven that he is a great game manager". No. Hoyer is nearly as raw as Manziel on the field. Just say "I don't like Johnny Manziel because I think he's a douchebag" and leave it at that. That I understand. So be it, and it's honest and it's fair.
Pretending that the reasons you dislike Manziel or are rooting for Hoyer are based on what has taken place on the football field is absurd. I've seen far more impressive things from Manziel, albeit in college in the SEC, than I saw out of Hoyer against the Vikings and Bengals.
And let's be real here, you know this isn't a real competition right? Manziel is going to play, eventually, when he's ready. He's not competing against Hoyer, he's competing against what the coaches think is "Ready". Once he hits that point, Manziel is the guy. Nobody actually thinks that we're going to go into 2015 with Hoyer still starting do they? 2016? I mean how much longer do you really think Hoyer has? This is already over, it just a matter of WHEN, not if.
The ceiling is so much higher for Manziel so so so so much higher. The floor is about the same for both of these players. How can that not be recognized?with "Well he's going to be a bust"
dude, point to one post in this thread that says that about manziel. just one.
i'll wait.
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@mike-h said:
Mike, always enjoyed talking with you. It's the ignorant people who post in high volume and are unwilling to even accept listening to others' opinions (the first and only social requirement to begin a conversation, the purpose of an internet forum) who have ruined it here. And all three happen to be old, so I use that. There are plenty of older people I've learned quite a bit from, in their case it's what not to become.
Enjoy this place if you do, I don't anymore, peace
Who are these "old" guys? It seems to me that your biggest arguments have been with "young" guys, like TCPO...who I think is still in his 20s.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I'm sorry, you talking to someone else about ego is like Ted Kennedy lecturing someone on ethics!
So, I take it then that you have no ego.....that you consider yourself just a feckless, weak minded jellyfish.
OK, noted.
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If you go to Vikings boards and Jaguars boards you do not see anybody who is saying "Well I think Chad Henne should be the future, Bortles might be a bust" or "Matt Cassell is our guy, sure he's been cut a few times, but I like what I saw". Nope. None. You won't even see any "Henne vs Bortles" threads or likewise for the Vikings.
Those fan bases are very excited for their Rookies, its all about "Should Teddy start game 1 or do you want him to sit and get comfortable until mid season?"
Yet on here with some of you it is if Brian Hoyer is the future and Manziel is a wasted pick. Someone is going to have to explain to me why we don't have the same understanding that these QBs were drafted to be the future, and why there is not the excitement about Manziel on here as there is in Minnesota and Jacksonville?
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Yup, hasn't played a down yet. Time to move on.
It seems like JM realizes he actually has to work for it. You know, like how he had to at A&M his freshman year, something you Texas fags have been preaching since we drafted him.
So what do you Texas douche bags want? For him to anointed the once and future king or for him to actually earn his way?
Jesus weren't you the one bitching about Brown's fans acting like women? Unbelievable.
Let's not compare shaming arguments and hyperbolic tone to an observation of leadership. Ok, Susan?
Damn, you're right, I guess I am getting down to the thread level.
Having to work for it? I can only guess you guys see this as your hs two-a-days. I don't even know what this means at the nfl level. Is there supposed to be some 80's music montage?
He's not missing workouts or practices so yea, he's working. But for what? You said he has to work for it.
The starting job? Ok.
I guess that makes hoyer a terrible worker.
Let's not compare shaming arguments and hyperbolic tone to an observation of leadership. Ok, Susan?
Damn, you're right, I guess I am getting down to the thread level.
Having to work for it? I can only guess you guys see this as your hs two-a-days. I don't even know what this means at the nfl level. Is there supposed to be some 80's music montage?
He's not missing workouts or practices so yea, he's working. But for what? You said he has to work for it.
The starting job? Ok.
I guess that makes hoyer a terrible worker.
Reading comprehension isn't a strong suit of yours is it?
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