Josh Gordon Troubles
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Here's the deal guy- a little personal info on me- I've done medical laboratory work, and been around that type of instrumentation for a long, long time. I won't argue that if you go by the very strict interpretation of the drug policy, Gordon will get suspended for a year.
However- I make my living interpreting laboratory test results. If Gordon had pissed a 100, it would be bye-bye, no question. Here's some stuff his defense team is going to bring up. Things like accuracy, precision, and reproducibility. Notice the NFLPA agreement says the second sample is "limits of detectability"? I don't know what that would be for this particular method, but you can sure as hell bet his lawyer does. That has to be getting mighty close to a (crazy low by Olympic drug standards) positive. Notice the difference between the two tests? That can bring into question the reproducibility, precision, and accuracy- the two samples should have been near identical- within tenths- and they're not. So again, I'm sure Mr Hotshot lawyer has thoroughly researched that sort of stuff. If the precision, reproducibility & accuracy at that level are ± 10% you do the math what 16 - 10% = .
Same thinking as a DUI lawyer that gets a 0.81 thrown out on instrument error. Not saying it will happen, but the possibility is there. My hope is the suspension does get tossed. and then Goodell suspends him for a couple of games for hanging out with dopers. Fair enough?
I don't disagree but he's beyond his three strikes and if it were me after my first I'm doing everything in my power to avoid a second. Gordon grabbed a third and then grabbed a fourth whether it was a contact high or not. Gordon shouldn't have been around it at all and because he was it displays were his head isn't and that clearly isn't with a brown helmet on his head. He needs a life evsluation and even as a browns fan I'd want him to grab a 16 game in the hopes of keeping him on the straight and narrow long term. Give him a couple games and it will happen again.
I don't disagree but he's beyond his three strikes and if it were me after my first I'm doing everything in my power to avoid a second. Gordon grabbed a third and then grabbed a fourth whether it was a contact high or not. Gordon shouldn't have been around it at all and because he was it displays were his head isn't and that clearly isn't with a brown helmet on his head. He needs a life evsluation and even as a browns fan I'd want him to grab a 16 game in the hopes of keeping him on the straight and narrow long term. Give him a couple games and it will happen again.
V, as a Browns fan, no I don't want Gordon to get the year- and not just because he's one of the top five WRs in the NFL. He gets the year- I'd say the odds are extremely high he winds up like Blackmon. It's not just the weed- it's the reckless driving, bad choice of pals, and the DUI- so if you want to take the stance he's run out of strikes- I can't disagree with you.
But if you smoke the stuff- you have to believe in Gordon's "second hand smoke" defense no? Go sit in a car for an hour or to with your pals toking like there's no tomorrow, and the car is a cloud of smoke- you don't think it's possible anyone in the car wouldn't have a trace (and that's what Gordon registered- a trace) of THC in their system- smoking or not, if they were tested the next day?
Oh, I TOTALLY agree- should the test get tossed, and everyone I talked to in the Lab today thought it should- too close to the artificially low cutoff and discrepant results- Goodell- who's scheduled to meet with Gordon next week needs to tell him. This is your last chance to fly right- don't mess it up.
Give Josh Gordon a break is all I'm saying. He's making the effort. Ricky Williams' he is not. Josh cares, maybe too much for his own good in not turning his back on those that are maybe a bad influence. I love Josh, he's a good kid/young man- If you can't see that from him by now... You are blind.
A lot of people have a lot of animosity toward Josh right now because they 'jumped to the proverbial conclusion' in their assessment of Josh Gordon's character and now have to back-track on themselves. Some people just hate to be wrong and will look to blame Josh in some other way.
#FreeJoshGordon and let the man 'be great'. To become Great, One must first overcome obstacles and endeavors, striving to break records whilst at the same time shattering those assumptions of your perceived success. Josh has all the recipes right now to hurdle from one of life's lowest points straight to the top of the NFL's highest peak. That is why this is so important an appeal. A young man's entire life hangs in the balance.
Please, make the right call Goodell. Let Gordon Play.... Let Gordon Play, Let Gordon Play, Let ...
He's not making enough of an effort PG. How many times did he get busted in college? Then at least two more in the pros. Sure I had a cough. Purple Drank and booze- a losing combination for ya Josh- got a 'scrip for it? No? Tooooo bad. Just ask Joe Haden about alderral. Since Josh got busted for a DUI, I'd say the odds Josh was doing the Drank for medicinal purposes is about zero.
PG- Ray Rice is now Gordon's best pal- at least in the court of public opinion. It will be what it will be.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think being around 3,000 + "addicts" would make you biased. Ive smoked weed for 13 years and Ive never once felt ill or shaky when I missed a few days. I smoke it because it relaxes me, and everything is better high. Food, movies, music, sex, and being bored are examples. Ive been around plenty of daily smokers, and I feel confident in saying Ive never met a marijuana addict. The problems with marijuana come in when you mix it, or smoke it all day every day.
I used to think that it and other things made everything better too. Once I quit it I found that to be untrue. For me everything is better without it. To each their own as long as it doesn't hurt others or themselves.
I used to think that it and other things made everything better too. Once I quit it I found that to be untrue. For me everything is better without it. To each their own as long as it doesn't hurt others or themselves.
Agreed
The NFL needs to use Gordon's case to realize they should increase the threshold of a positive THC test and re-think their punishments. If they don't want players around people who smoke weed, they should put that in their policy. It's not in there, so there is possibly no violation of any rule. Gordon has passed 70+ urine screens, and has been doing well since his first punishment and does seem to "want" to improve his life. He seems like a good kid who would benefit from MORE guidance and structure, not a "ban" from probably the only thing in life he can actually be proud of. If they want to take the "hard line" approach that players are responsible for what's in their body, then learn from Blackmon's troubles, and give him a suspension but allow him to remain with the team. Being in that "team" atmosphere will do more good than "banning" him. That rule is written to ENABLE people to FAIL, not to help them. It should read, "If you're in stage 3 of our program and you fail a test... then fu** off, peace!!" I would think an organization like the NFL would give people the support they need to "get better," not punishment and turning your back on them. Actually, I wonder if their policy is even legal... The Medical Board and the Pilot Authority both allow people with drug and alcohol problems an opportunity to get back on their feet, and will even give them back their license after a certain point. As somebody said before, this guy is an entertainer... this level on a drug test should have been addressed with Gordon and his team, in private, and let go. Now it's a public fiasco that is going to end up hurting all parties involved...
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There's no reason why the NFL should have a different threshold for anything than WADA, to be honest.
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WADA you know?
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
haha well if Im sitting at home bored.....Id rather be high. I guess at that time, Id no longerbe considered bored though.
Just one more thing on the long list of things one "contemplates" when stoned I reckon.
Zombo said:
I think the fact they Goodell delayed it so he can be there is good for Josh. At least Rodger sees the seriousness of this decision. Josh's attorneys leaking info looking like a good move.
Agree... and at the risk of making what some will see as another excuse for Josh...
If everything being said is true...
If Josh has been staying as clean as 70 tests indicate he has been...
If this "failed" test is due to second hand smoke...
Then how is he supposed to accept a year long suspension?
How could he be expected to handle it?
If the league is as concerned for this young man as all the talking heads seem to be, then IMO a suspension is inconsistent with that concern.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
haha well if Im sitting at home bored.....Id rather be high. I guess at that time, Id no longerbe considered bored though.
Just one more thing on the long list of things one "contemplates" when stoned I reckon.
Zombo said:
I think the fact they Goodell delayed it so he can be there is good for Josh. At least Rodger sees the seriousness of this decision. Josh's attorneys leaking info looking like a good move.
Agree... and at the risk of making what some will see as another excuse for Josh...
If everything being said is true...
If Josh has been staying as clean as 70 tests indicate he has been...
If this "failed" test is due to second hand smoke...
Then how is he supposed to accept a year long suspension?
How could he be expected to handle it?
If the league is as concerned for this young man as all the talking heads seem to be, then IMO a suspension is inconsistent with that concern.
Just one more thing on the long list of things one "contemplates" when stoned I reckon.
Agree... and at the risk of making what some will see as another excuse for Josh...
If everything being said is true...
If Josh has been staying as clean as 70 tests indicate he has been...
If this "failed" test is due to second hand smoke...
Then how is he supposed to accept a year long suspension?
How could he be expected to handle it?
If the league is as concerned for this young man as all the talking heads seem to be, then IMO a suspension is inconsistent with that concern.
To that end, if you remove him from, the league and tell him not to be around the Browns, that's a bad move. If you ban him for 16 games (because we won't make the playoffs without him), then he can get the help he needs from the team?
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Just one more thing on the long list of things one "contemplates" when stoned I reckon.
Agree... and at the risk of making what some will see as another excuse for Josh...
If everything being said is true...
If Josh has been staying as clean as 70 tests indicate he has been...
If this "failed" test is due to second hand smoke...
Then how is he supposed to accept a year long suspension?
How could he be expected to handle it?
If the league is as concerned for this young man as all the talking heads seem to be, then IMO a suspension is inconsistent with that concern.
To that end, if you remove him from, the league and tell him not to be around the Browns, that's a bad move. If you ban him for 16 games (because we won't make the playoffs without him), then he can get the help he needs from the team?
To that end, if you remove him from, the league and tell him not to be around the Browns, that's a bad move. If you ban him for 16 games (because we won't make the playoffs without him), then he can get the help he needs from the team?
Not sure what the NFL CBA allows, but it's common for US companies to pay for an employee's counseling under their EAP (Employee Assistance Program). In drug cases my company put the employee on medical leave until the program was completed.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
To that end, if you remove him from, the league and tell him not to be around the Browns, that's a bad move. If you ban him for 16 games (because we won't make the playoffs without him), then he can get the help he needs from the team?
Not sure what the NFL CBA allows, but it's common for US companies to pay for an employee's counseling under their EAP (Employee Assistance Program). In drug cases my company put the employee on medical leave until the program was completed.
Not sure what the NFL CBA allows, but it's common for US companies to pay for an employee's counseling under their EAP (Employee Assistance Program). In drug cases my company put the employee on medical leave until the program was completed.
I've heard that he's allowed no interaction with the organisation, or at least that if he's banished indefinitely, Browns can't get involved in his treatment? Maybe they can't *mandate* a treatment because he's not employed by them, since his contract gets suspended for a year.
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Prediction
Penatly: 8 games, 10 game checks.
Announced today?
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My prediction is all or nothing. They are either going to follow the letter of the law and pull him out for a full year, or they are going to say something was messed up and give him nothing. I heard that the guy Goodell selected to be present for the hearing doesn't buy into second hand smoke, so I figure it is going to be a full year ban.
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Prediction
Penatly: 8 games, 10 game checks.
Announced today?
won't be announced today
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won't be announced today
Why not? Not saying you're wrong, just not so sure on the procedures. Here I was waiting with baited breath...
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the difference with private companies and the NFL is that the NFL has a player's union who voted on all these rules, so when it comes back to bite them in the ass.............
i didn't hear anything about a delay with gordon's precedings so i don't know why if the judgement is handed down to day why the ruling won't be released. why would they wait 2 days?
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Presumably the ban takes effect immediately, if it's a one year thing, so he wouldn't be allowed to practise, so the team would be told immediately?
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Hearing to take place today after all, earlier report of it being delayed false.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/josh_gordons_nfl_hearing_may_b.html
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My prediction is all or nothing. They are either going to follow the letter of the law and pull him out for a full year, or they are going to say something was messed up and give him nothing. I heard that the guy Goodell selected to be present for the hearing doesn't buy into second hand smoke, so I figure it is going to be a full year ban.
I heard that the guy Goodell selected to be present for the hearing doesn't buy into second hand smoke, so I figure it is going to be a full year ban.
Same guy that was the NFL's concussion guru?
Zombo said:
Hearing to take place today after all, earlier report of it being delayed false.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/07/josh_gordons_nfl_hearing_may_b.html
So the hearing is today and Roger is not even going to attend? I thought he sat in on the big cases. Had he wanted to attend, then the hearing could have been held in Canton. Has the emperor washed his hands?
I had thought more of him in the past, but may have to label him Roger Dodger...
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i'm thinking it's gonna be this guy, you know the one that went on mike and mike and got hammered because he said the ray rice punishment was fair and just.
gordon is fucked.
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Ray Rice probably took him aside and said what he did to his wife was nothing compared to what he would do to him if he got a higher suspension.
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