Hoyer will start !
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Why do you keep talking about "Given the job" and "Earn the Job"?
Because you keep posting like JM should be given the job?
That said, at least you engaged on a topic this time...
Because you keep posting like JM should be given the job?
That said, at least you engaged on a topic this time...
I post like Manziel is going to have the job. Which you should clearly see unless you have a very small football IQ. He was drafted to be the starter, and he will be the starter the minute the coaches determine he's ready (which if you believe the reports this week, is getting closer and closer). If you want you can consider that as him "earning" it, I mean he does have to learn a certain amount before they'll let him start.
You seem to be under the very wrong idea that the coaches are going "Well we have Manziel AND Hoyer, and let's let them battle it out to see who our QB of the future is". Nope. It's already been decided, the minute the Browns picked Manziel at 22. NOW if you're saying that doesn't mean he'll be great, then you're right. Who knows exactly how good Manziel will be, but the idea that he's somehow not going to be the Browns starter at some point, and most likely some point very soon, is....wrong....so very, very wrong.
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No that's not what i'm saying. What i was saying is that Rogers was arguably more gifted at QB when he entered the league than Favre was at his stage in his career. I.e. Manziel is probably a better QB than Hoyer.
Favre was winning games but arguably Rogers could have won more. Hoyer was winning games, but JF might win more.
They let Rogers sit and learn. It turned out pretty well for them.
So I am was saying that letter Rogers sit and learn wasn't such a bad thing, but he could have arguably came in and been much better than Favre. The same can be said in our case, Manziel might come in and win more games than Hoyer. But you never know how a guy will perform in NFL from college.
Johnny is still a young man. You're still maturing physically as well as mentally in your early twenties. The NFL is trial by fire now with these rookie QBs.
I think the Packers did it right in letting him sit. But who knows it may have been better to set Brett packing earlier (pun intended).
Anyways it was no a comparison between Hoyer and Favre as it was the situation with a rookie QB who potentially is a better QB than the current QB. That is all.
Rodgers was stuck behind a legend and sat for...what 3 years?
You can't bench Brett Favre in Green Bay. That's all that situation was about. Had nothing to do with getting Rodgers ready.
You can bench Brian Hoyer in Cleveland. Ex player after Ex player will tell you, you learn nothing sitting on the sidelines. Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet.
You can bench Brian Hoyer in Cleveland. Ex player after Ex player will tell you, you learn nothing sitting on the sidelines. Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet.
If youre good then getting the mistakes out of the way is the best thing for you. You learn by playing not watching.
I post like Manziel is going to have the job. Which you should clearly see unless you have a very small football IQ.
Not sure how I got the impression you want the job handed to JM... Silly me.
And don't start with the insults. I have not insulted you... yet. That said, anytime you want to match IQs, football or otherwise, just let me know.
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Because you keep posting like JM should be given the job?
That said, at least you engaged on a topic this time...
I post like Manziel is going to have the job. Which you should clearly see unless you have a very small football IQ. He was drafted to be the starter, and he will be the starter the minute the coaches determine he's ready (which if you believe the reports this week, is getting closer and closer). If you want you can consider that as him "earning" it, I mean he does have to learn a certain amount before they'll let him start.
You seem to be under the very wrong idea that the coaches are going "Well we have Manziel AND Hoyer, and let's let them battle it out to see who our QB of the future is". Nope. It's already been decided, the minute the Browns picked Manziel at 22. NOW if you're saying that doesn't mean he'll be great, then you're right. Who knows exactly how good Manziel will be, but the idea that he's somehow not going to be the Browns starter at some point, and most likely some point very soon, is....wrong....so very, very wrong.
I post like Manziel is going to have the job. Which you should clearly see unless you have a very small football IQ. He was drafted to be the starter, and he will be the starter the minute the coaches determine he's ready (which if you believe the reports this week, is getting closer and closer). If you want you can consider that as him "earning" it, I mean he does have to learn a certain amount before they'll let him start.
You seem to be under the very wrong idea that the coaches are going "Well we have Manziel AND Hoyer, and let's let them battle it out to see who our QB of the future is". Nope. It's already been decided, the minute the Browns picked Manziel at 22. NOW if you're saying that doesn't mean he'll be great, then you're right. Who knows exactly how good Manziel will be, but the idea that he's somehow not going to be the Browns starter at some point, and most likely some point very soon, is....wrong....so very, very wrong.
You have no idea as well as anyone else on here how soon manziel is going to be the qb.
Quit acting like everything you say is gospel and all others are stupid. You'll have a tough time around here.
I doubt you watched a single game Hoyer played in last season to even give the man judgement. You're just a Manziel groupie and will follow where ever he goes.
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You can bench Brian Hoyer in Cleveland. Ex player after Ex player will tell you, you learn nothing sitting on the sidelines. Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet.
If youre good then getting the mistakes out of the way is the best thing for you. You learn by playing not watching.
I post like Manziel is going to have the job. Which you should clearly see unless you have a very small football IQ.
Not sure how I got the impression you want the job handed to JM... Silly me.
And don't start with the insults. I have not insulted you... yet. That said, anytime you want to match IQs, football or otherwise, just let me know.
Not sure how I got the impression you want the job handed to JM... Silly me.
And don't start with the insults. I have not insulted you... yet. That said, anytime you want to match IQs, football or otherwise, just let me know.
Manziel won the job the minute he was drafted. Look at that link I posted. Tell me how many of those 1st round QBs have "Never" next to their first starts?
If you think Brian Hoyer is going to be the Browns QB long term, you have a low football IQ. We can match football IQs. You take the "Brian Hoyer is the next Kurt Warner" angle and I'll call you an idiot and we'll see how this plays out in history.
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I post like Manziel is going to have the job. Which you should clearly see unless you have a very small football IQ. He was drafted to be the starter, and he will be the starter the minute the coaches determine he's ready (which if you believe the reports this week, is getting closer and closer). If you want you can consider that as him "earning" it, I mean he does have to learn a certain amount before they'll let him start.
You seem to be under the very wrong idea that the coaches are going "Well we have Manziel AND Hoyer, and let's let them battle it out to see who our QB of the future is". Nope. It's already been decided, the minute the Browns picked Manziel at 22. NOW if you're saying that doesn't mean he'll be great, then you're right. Who knows exactly how good Manziel will be, but the idea that he's somehow not going to be the Browns starter at some point, and most likely some point very soon, is....wrong....so very, very wrong.
You have no idea as well as anyone else on here how soon manziel is going to be the qb.
Quit acting like everything you say is gospel and all others are stupid. You'll have a tough time around here.
I doubt you watched a single game Hoyer played in last season to even give the man judgement. You're just a Manziel groupie and will follow where ever he goes.
You have no idea as well as anyone else on here how soon manziel is going to be the qb.
Quit acting like everything you say is gospel and all others are stupid. You'll have a tough time around here.
I doubt you watched a single game Hoyer played in last season to even give the man judgement. You're just a Manziel groupie and will follow where ever he goes.
I don't know how soon Manziel will be the starter, you're right. I do know he WILL be the starter at some point. That can not be denied. If you think I'm wrong, by all means tell me so.
And I did watch Hoyer last year. From his 3 INT game against Minny to his very good game where they didn't ask him to do much against the Bengals, to the brief appearance in the Buffalo game where he attempted the most nonathletic slide in NFL history. I watched every second.
Those who think Brian Hoyer is a good, quality, NFL QB....you are the ones I question if you actually watched those games.
You can talk about "Manziel Fanboys" all you want around here, but none of this has anything to do with Manziel. Its the "Hoyer Fanboys" who have somehow reinvented a career backup into a future HOF off of two complete games, neither of which did he look much better than say a Mark Sanchez.
You seem to ignore the fact that the Browns themselves decided they love Hoyer so much, that they took a QB in the 1st round. Doesn't matter it was Manziel, it would've been Teddy B otherwise, but either way they went into the draft saying "We need a QB, and badly" and went out and got one. That's how good the Browns think Brian Hoyer is.
You can try to pretend that you're fighting these "Manziel Trolls" all you want, but some people are smart enough to realize that the future QB is Manziel, so might as well get on board now and hope he's good. Hoyer is a bookmark until the Manziel era begins. Thats not being a fanboy, thats understanding NFL football.
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Johnny will be the starter, someday. I don't know, or care when that day is, as long as he gives the Browns the best chance to win. I feel the same about the other 21 positions and 52 players as well.
Whatever is best for the Browns, I'm good with. I won't bang any drum for any player. I trust Pettine to do what gives us the best shot to win, week in and week out.
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I have been reading message boards about Johnny since he was in HS. I haven't missed one of his games since he was a freshman in HS. You guys don't have ANYTHING on how bad the Texas AM board (TexAgs) slammed him until he finally got on the field. There was a lot of crow eating on that board. Sure I am a homer but the kid is something special. He has a rare combination of athletic ability, brains and heart. So far he has proved everybody wrong and I think the NFL is just the final step. He will never get a scholarship to a D! school. He will never start at a D1 school. He will never play QB at a D1 school. He will get crushed in the SEC. He will not win the Heisman as a freshman...blah blah blah. Johnny just wins or dies trying. Ok I am done for now
I have been reading message boards about Johnny since he was in HS. I haven't missed one of his games since he was a freshman in HS. You guys don't have ANYTHING on how bad the Texas AM board (TexAgs) slammed him until he finally got on the field. There was a lot of crow eating on that board. Sure I am a homer but the kid is something special. He has a rare combination of athletic ability, brains and heart. So far he has proved everybody wrong and I think the NFL is just the final step. He will never get a scholarship to a D! school. He will never start at a D1 school. He will never play QB at a D1 school. He will get crushed in the SEC. He will not win the Heisman as a freshman...blah blah blah. Johnny just wins or dies trying. Ok I am done for now
looks lilke everything isn't bigger in Texas.
shit-can that font and post like a man....assuming that's what you are
jff does have a history of shutting down the naysayers. my perception is that he uses the negativity as motivation. it's a mystery to me why there are so many jff haters out there in the
first place. he's prolly an arrogant prick which is ok in my book as long as his play can back up the smack factor.
the hurdle he faces now is whether or not the three hundred plus hits he took in college running the ball leave him with enough durability to become the qb leader the browns so
desperately need
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Not sure how I got the impression you want the job handed to JM... Silly me.
And don't start with the insults. I have not insulted you... yet. That said, anytime you want to match IQs, football or otherwise, just let me know.
Manziel won the job the minute he was drafted. Look at that link I posted. Tell me how many of those 1st round QBs have "Never" next to their first starts?
If you think Brian Hoyer is going to be the Browns QB long term, you have a low football IQ. We can match football IQs. You take the "Brian Hoyer is the next Kurt Warner" angle and I'll call you an idiot and we'll see how this plays out in history.
Manziel won the job the minute he was drafted. Look at that link I posted. Tell me how many of those 1st round QBs have "Never" next to their first starts?
If you think Brian Hoyer is going to be the Browns QB long term, you have a low football IQ. We can match football IQs. You take the "Brian Hoyer is the next Kurt Warner" angle and I'll call you an idiot and we'll see how this plays out in history.
First, I have made the same post as you in the past. I expect JM to start for us sometime in 2014 and he may even be THE starter from that game on this season. That's not the point... You have a bad habit of ignoring my main point in favor of some tangential argument. This is just the latest example. It's grown tiresome.
I see your logic as being "JM will be the starter therefore you may as well hand him the job now." If you can, please explain to me how I am wrong.
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Manziel won the job the minute he was drafted. Look at that link I posted. Tell me how many of those 1st round QBs have "Never" next to their first starts?
If you think Brian Hoyer is going to be the Browns QB long term, you have a low football IQ. We can match football IQs. You take the "Brian Hoyer is the next Kurt Warner" angle and I'll call you an idiot and we'll see how this plays out in history.
First, I have made the same post as you in the past. I expect JM to start for us sometime in 2014 and he may even be THE starter from that game on this season. That's not the point... You have a bad habit of ignoring my main point in favor of some tangential argument. This is just the latest example. It's grown tiresome.
I see your logic as being "JM will be the starter therefore you may as well hand him the job now." If you can, please explain to me how I am wrong.
First, I have made the same post as you in the past. I expect JM to start for us sometime in 2014 and he may even be THE starter from that game on this season. That's not the point... You have a bad habit of ignoring my main point in favor of some tangential argument. This is just the latest example. It's grown tiresome.
I see your logic as being "JM will be the starter therefore you may as well hand him the job now." If you can, please explain to me how I am wrong.
I don't know how many times I've said JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY. Thats all the Browns are waiting on. When he gets to the level they think he needs to be at, he's the starter. How is that saying they should hand him the job now?
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel. Its all about getting him ready. When he's ready the job is his.
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First, I have made the same post as you in the past. I expect JM to start for us sometime in 2014 and he may even be THE starter from that game on this season. That's not the point... You have a bad habit of ignoring my main point in favor of some tangential argument. This is just the latest example. It's grown tiresome.
I see your logic as being "JM will be the starter therefore you may as well hand him the job now." If you can, please explain to me how I am wrong.
I don't know how many times I've said JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY. Thats all the Browns are waiting on. When he gets to the level they think he needs to be at, he's the starter. How is that saying they should hand him the job now?
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel. Its all about getting him ready. When he's ready the job is his.
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel.
Oh gawd
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doesn't everybody know by now that stocktonshorts is manziel's bitch?
there's no use trying to have a legit conversation with the guy because he ignores your point only to pile on with more johnny drivel.
fuck that asshole.
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doesn't everybody know by now that stocktonshorts is manziel's bitch?
there's no use trying to have a legit conversation with the guy because he ignores your point only to pile on with more johnny drivel.
fuck that asshole.
Lol. I'm getting tired of just talking about manziel vs hoyer. Its just becoming a bitch fest with holier than thou new guys. Can't wait for the season to start so we can go back to the routine sky is falling vs everything will be Ok posts.doesn't everybody know by now that stocktonshorts is manziel's bitch?
there's no use trying to have a legit conversation with the guy because he ignores your point only to pile on with more johnny drivel.
fuck that asshole.
I hope the kid is electric and the saviour of Cleveland. I just tire of the constant banter from the fan boys.
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I'll be totally honest. I know squat about Johnny. I've seen him play 1 CFB game, that's it. But his fanboys make me dislike him, and he hasn't even played a down yet for the Browns............ Stupid, I know, and I'm the first person to admit it's stupid, but it's just how it goes. If his fanboy, JFF lovers would just chill the fuck out and let his spot on the T E A M play itself out, it would be so much easier.
I'm 46yrs old (bitter and old according to Mike H Dickhead) and have never seen anything like JFF's fanboys.
Edit: OK, I have seen something like it before........ Tweener girls screaming and crying for the latest and greatest Boy Band.
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First, I have made the same post as you in the past. I expect JM to start for us sometime in 2014 and he may even be THE starter from that game on this season. That's not the point... You have a bad habit of ignoring my main point in favor of some tangential argument. This is just the latest example. It's grown tiresome.
I see your logic as being "JM will be the starter therefore you may as well hand him the job now." If you can, please explain to me how I am wrong.
I don't know how many times I've said JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY. Thats all the Browns are waiting on. When he gets to the level they think he needs to be at, he's the starter. How is that saying they should hand him the job now?
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel. Its all about getting him ready. When he's ready the job is his.
I don't know how many times I've said JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY. Thats all the Browns are waiting on. When he gets to the level they think he needs to be at, he's the starter. How is that saying they should hand him the job now?
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel. Its all about getting him ready. When he's ready the job is his.
Goddam dude, your act is really getting annoying.
Of course Manziel was drafted to (eventually) start. Why the fuck else would the Browns have drafted him?
Everyone agrees that WHEN HE'S READY, he will start. You seem to have your panties in a wad because,
UNTIL Johnny is ready, SOMEBODY has to play the QB position. And right now, based on his admittedly limited
past experience as a starter, that somebody is probably going to be Hoyer. Why does that make your head
want to explode?
The Browns are having a QB competition to determine who is going to START THE SEASON at QB. No one has ever
said differently. Where do you come up with the statement that the competition is to determine the Browns
long term QB? Does it offend you that JM may have to be the backup QB for however many games until he's
ready? Is being the backup for a few games beneath him?
Your hopeless, Charlie Brown. Utterly hopeless.
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First, I have made the same post as you in the past. I expect JM to start for us sometime in 2014 and he may even be THE starter from that game on this season. That's not the point... You have a bad habit of ignoring my main point in favor of some tangential argument. This is just the latest example. It's grown tiresome.
I see your logic as being "JM will be the starter therefore you may as well hand him the job now." If you can, please explain to me how I am wrong.
I don't know how many times I've said JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY. Thats all the Browns are waiting on. When he gets to the level they think he needs to be at, he's the starter. How is that saying they should hand him the job now?
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel. Its all about getting him ready. When he's ready the job is his.
I don't know how many times I've said JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY. Thats all the Browns are waiting on. When he gets to the level they think he needs to be at, he's the starter. How is that saying they should hand him the job now?
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel. Its all about getting him ready. When he's ready the job is his.
Unlike mik, I'll ignore the last part...
Square what you are saying NOW, with what you said before...
Namely... square "JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY"
with "Ex player after Ex player will tell you, you learn nothing sitting on the sidelines. Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet."
and
"If youre good then getting the mistakes out of the way is the best thing for you. You learn by playing not watching."
Seriously, resolve those stances for me because otherwise I'm left thinking you are saying "JM will never start, because he cannot get ready, if he does not start."
It's called Boolean Algebra...
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First, I have made the same post as you in the past. I expect JM to start for us sometime in 2014 and he may even be THE starter from that game on this season. That's not the point... You have a bad habit of ignoring my main point in favor of some tangential argument. This is just the latest example. It's grown tiresome.
I see your logic as being "JM will be the starter therefore you may as well hand him the job now." If you can, please explain to me how I am wrong.
I don't know how many times I've said JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY. Thats all the Browns are waiting on. When he gets to the level they think he needs to be at, he's the starter. How is that saying they should hand him the job now?
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel. Its all about getting him ready. When he's ready the job is his.
I don't know how many times I've said JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY. Thats all the Browns are waiting on. When he gets to the level they think he needs to be at, he's the starter. How is that saying they should hand him the job now?
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel. Its all about getting him ready. When he's ready the job is his.
Saying "Johnny Manziel will start a game in the NFL" is hardly a bold move.
Saying that he's more mobile, more athletic and has higher upside is hardly a bold move.
Saying that the Browns drafted Manziel to be their starter is hardly a bold move.
Nothing you've said is in any way bold, foretelling, or genius.
Manziel will start for the Browns, probably Week 1. He is more mobile and has higher upside. But Hoyer deserves his shot to stave Johnny off. So far, he has. Johnny is making up ground, certainly, but he hasn't firmly taken ahold of that starting spot.
Until he does...he doesn't deserve it. Because, as you said, Hoyer is not a legitimate NFL QB. So, until Johnny firmly proves he's better than Hoyer, he's not a legitimate NFL QB either.
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I don't know how many times I've said JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY. Thats all the Browns are waiting on. When he gets to the level they think he needs to be at, he's the starter. How is that saying they should hand him the job now?
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel. Its all about getting him ready. When he's ready the job is his.
Goddam dude, your act is really getting annoying.
Of course Manziel was drafted to (eventually) start. Why the fuck else would the Browns have drafted him?
Everyone agrees that WHEN HE'S READY, he will start. You seem to have your panties in a wad because,
UNTIL Johnny is ready, SOMEBODY has to play the QB position. And right now, based on his admittedly limited
past experience as a starter, that somebody is probably going to be Hoyer. Why does that make your head
want to explode?
The Browns are having a QB competition to determine who is going to START THE SEASON at QB. No one has ever
said differently. Where do you come up with the statement that the competition is to determine the Browns
long term QB? Does it offend you that JM may have to be the backup QB for however many games until he's
ready? Is being the backup for a few games beneath him?
Your hopeless, Charlie Brown. Utterly hopeless.
Of course Manziel was drafted to (eventually) start. Why the fuck else would the Browns have drafted him?
I'll take a stab at that one...
Not a single QB was taken in the 2014 draft to start now. That hasn't happened since 2012, unless you think EJ Manual and Geno Smith were anything other than the best of some midling options.
The Browns drafted JM with the belief that it was highly probable that he could develop into a solid starter with time.
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He reminds me of that Partnership for a Drug Free America commercial back in the 80's where the
guy is in a room walking in circles, saying "I buy coke so I can work longer, so I can make more money,
so I can buy more coke, so I can work longer...".
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I don't know how many times I've said JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY. Thats all the Browns are waiting on. When he gets to the level they think he needs to be at, he's the starter. How is that saying they should hand him the job now?
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel. Its all about getting him ready. When he's ready the job is his.
Saying "Johnny Manziel will start a game in the NFL" is hardly a bold move.
Saying that he's more mobile, more athletic and has higher upside is hardly a bold move.
Saying that the Browns drafted Manziel to be their starter is hardly a bold move.
Nothing you've said is in any way bold, foretelling, or genius.
Manziel will start for the Browns, probably Week 1. He is more mobile and has higher upside. But Hoyer deserves his shot to stave Johnny off. So far, he has. Johnny is making up ground, certainly, but he hasn't firmly taken ahold of that starting spot.
Until he does...he doesn't deserve it. Because, as you said, Hoyer is not a legitimate NFL QB. So, until Johnny firmly proves he's better than Hoyer, he's not a legitimate NFL QB either.
Saying "Johnny Manziel will start a game in the NFL" is hardly a bold move.
Saying that he's more mobile, more athletic and has higher upside is hardly a bold move.
Saying that the Browns drafted Manziel to be their starter is hardly a bold move.
Nothing you've said is in any way bold, foretelling, or genius.
Manziel will start for the Browns, probably Week 1. He is more mobile and has higher upside. But Hoyer deserves his shot to stave Johnny off. So far, he has. Johnny is making up ground, certainly, but he hasn't firmly taken ahold of that starting spot.
Until he does...he doesn't deserve it. Because, as you said, Hoyer is not a legitimate NFL QB. So, until Johnny firmly proves he's better than Hoyer, he's not a legitimate NFL QB either.
well that sums it up pretty well for me.
next.
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I don't know how many times I've said JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY. Thats all the Browns are waiting on. When he gets to the level they think he needs to be at, he's the starter. How is that saying they should hand him the job now?
Everything the Browns are doing is about Manziel. Its all about getting him ready. When he's ready the job is his.
Unlike mik, I'll ignore the last part...
Square what you are saying NOW, with what you said before...
Namely... square "JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY"
with "Ex player after Ex player will tell you, you learn nothing sitting on the sidelines. Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet."
and
"If youre good then getting the mistakes out of the way is the best thing for you. You learn by playing not watching."
Seriously, resolve those stances for me because otherwise I'm left thinking you are saying "JM will never start, because he cannot get ready, if he does not start."
It's called Boolean Algebra...
Unlike mik, I'll ignore the last part...
Square what you are saying NOW, with what you said before...
Namely... square "JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY"
with "Ex player after Ex player will tell you, you learn nothing sitting on the sidelines. Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet."
and
"If youre good then getting the mistakes out of the way is the best thing for you. You learn by playing not watching."
Seriously, resolve those stances for me because otherwise I'm left thinking you are saying "JM will never start, because he cannot get ready, if he does not start."
It's called Boolean Algebra...
You don't understand differences in the argument of why Manziel shouldn't sit like Aaron Rodgers and why he will play when he is ready? Really?
Its funny to me that people are going on and on and on about "Manziel Fanboys" which I'm not seeing around here. I see people who understand Manziel is the future QB and thus appropriately follow him, but I don't see any dick sucking going on like the dick sucking for Hoyer.
Thats right. Its Hoyer Fanboys. Who so desperately want Hoyer to be the guy and they are so threatened by Manziel that they just cant take it.
You think you're in some kind of Disney movie where the hometown down and out kid comes home and saves the team. YAY!!! You can't handle the reality.
And thats all I care about is the reality. If it was Teddy B and you people were talking about Hoyer like this, I'd have the same things to say. It has nothing to do with Manziel and it has EVERYTHING to do with the delusional fans who think Hoyer is the next Kurt Warner (Which has been said MANY times).
While you're all complaining about how Manziel hasn't done anything to justify the hype, take a look at Hoyer. Talk about someone who hasn't justified the hype. There is no amount of Manziel love going on around that is even a fraction of the Brian Hoyer fantasy land that has developed. Cut three times, career backup, who has started 4 games in his career and only finished 3 of them, with accuracy issues coming off a torn ACL.....and you have people saying this situation is the Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers situation all over.
Get you heads out of your asses.
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