Grossman signed, Thigpen waived
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Fair enough, I'll give you that.
Now please explain where you think that Manziel and Hoyer don't like each other? I've yet to see anything to indicate that. Whitner saying that the lockerroom is split based on their abiliites doesn't mean that one needs to leave or they don't like each other. I'd say it indicates more that the team trusts both guys and will play hard for whatever QB is given the ball week 1.
its a gut feeling. i don't have any substantial evidence other than they want the same job.
they're competing. as mature as i'm sure they try to be, you want the other guy to fail. especially hoyer since this might be his last shot.
bringing in a veteran like rex is a rather large dynamic shift. i can see layers of reasoning for that move.
its a gut feeling. i don't have any substantial evidence other than they want the same job.
they're competing. as mature as i'm sure they try to be, you want the other guy to fail. especially hoyer since this might be his last shot.
bringing in a veteran like rex is a rather large dynamic shift. i can see layers of reasoning for that move.
I don't see where bringing in Rex is any different than having Tyler Thigpen here. Nothing "dynamic" about either of those names.
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how do I delete my account?
how do I delete my account?
open mouth. insert gun. pull trigger.
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its a gut feeling. i don't have any substantial evidence other than they want the same job.
they're competing. as mature as i'm sure they try to be, you want the other guy to fail. especially hoyer since this might be his last shot.
bringing in a veteran like rex is a rather large dynamic shift. i can see layers of reasoning for that move.
I don't see where bringing in Rex is any different than having Tyler Thigpen here. Nothing "dynamic" about either of those names.
Rex brings way more to the film room, thats the extent of it...I don't see where bringing in Rex is any different than having Tyler Thigpen here. Nothing "dynamic" about either of those names.
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I think the Grossman signing opens the possibility that Hoyer or Johnny is moved. The coaches and front office has to be under the assumption that they cannot coexist. The media and fans are not going to back down once a starter is named, theres always going to be a divide calling for the other guy.
Even the team is split, and I dont believe its a bitter split, but after a few losses that divide will become bitter.
Of course Hoyer is the obvious choice to be moved, has good momentum and no contract for next year so youd lose him for nothing if you dont move him beforehand.
However I can see a situation where say...the Cowboys realize Romo is about done and offer two first rounders and more for Johnny....Browns would have to consider that.
Now do I think the Browns do those things? I doubt it, but you know its at least been discussed, and Rex Grossman being there actually gives them the option to made a deal if they felt like it becomes necessary.
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The possibility of Hoyer being moved is laughable, just as Johnny.
Who would want Hoyer? Nobody.
Who would give up two first for Johnny Manziel? Nobody.
That's settled. On to the next one.
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I think the Grossman signing opens the possibility that Hoyer or Johnny is moved. The coaches and front office has to be under the assumption that they cannot coexist. The media and fans are not going to back down once a starter is named, theres always going to be a divide calling for the other guy.
Even the team is split, and I dont believe its a bitter split, but after a few losses that divide will become bitter.
Of course Hoyer is the obvious choice to be moved, has good momentum and no contract for next year so youd lose him for nothing if you dont move him beforehand.
However I can see a situation where say...the Cowboys realize Romo is about done and offer two first rounders and more for Johnny....Browns would have to consider that.
Now do I think the Browns do those things? I doubt it, but you know its at least been discussed, and Rex Grossman being there actually gives them the option to made a deal if they felt like it becomes necessary.
I think the Grossman signing opens the possibility that Hoyer or Johnny is moved. The coaches and front office has to be under the assumption that they cannot coexist. The media and fans are not going to back down once a starter is named, theres always going to be a divide calling for the other guy.
Even the team is split, and I dont believe its a bitter split, but after a few losses that divide will become bitter.
Of course Hoyer is the obvious choice to be moved, has good momentum and no contract for next year so youd lose him for nothing if you dont move him beforehand.
However I can see a situation where say...the Cowboys realize Romo is about done and offer two first rounders and more for Johnny....Browns would have to consider that.
Now do I think the Browns do those things? I doubt it, but you know its at least been discussed, and Rex Grossman being there actually gives them the option to made a deal if they felt like it becomes necessary.
i would take 2 first rounders in a heartbeat considering they'll be lucky to finish 5 and 11 this year.
but that is just plain idiocy. the kid is still unproven.
to all those that say they can't co-exist...where do you get that from? the 2 talking about going out and trying to win the position? i mean isn't that what both are trying to do?
you guys with your assumptions. obviously you know shit about business because this goes on everyday in corporations. if you'd get your head out of TMZs ass long enough you'd realize there's nothing different going on in cleveland right now that isn't going on elsewhere in the NFL. only difference is the JF fag boy and media obsession with this kid.
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I think the Grossman signing opens the possibility that Hoyer or Johnny is moved. The coaches and front office has to be under the assumption that they cannot coexist. The media and fans are not going to back down once a starter is named, theres always going to be a divide calling for the other guy.
Even the team is split, and I dont believe its a bitter split, but after a few losses that divide will become bitter.
Of course Hoyer is the obvious choice to be moved, has good momentum and no contract for next year so youd lose him for nothing if you dont move him beforehand.
However I can see a situation where say...the Cowboys realize Romo is about done and offer two first rounders and more for Johnny....Browns would have to consider that.
Now do I think the Browns do those things? I doubt it, but you know its at least been discussed, and Rex Grossman being there actually gives them the option to made a deal if they felt like it becomes necessary.
No, no, and hell no. Youre reading WAY too much into this. Grossman helps the team more than Pigpen, end of story. Hoyer wont make trouble if he loses the job, and as soon as you start letting fans and the media influence roster moves youve already lost.I think the Grossman signing opens the possibility that Hoyer or Johnny is moved. The coaches and front office has to be under the assumption that they cannot coexist. The media and fans are not going to back down once a starter is named, theres always going to be a divide calling for the other guy.
Even the team is split, and I dont believe its a bitter split, but after a few losses that divide will become bitter.
Of course Hoyer is the obvious choice to be moved, has good momentum and no contract for next year so youd lose him for nothing if you dont move him beforehand.
However I can see a situation where say...the Cowboys realize Romo is about done and offer two first rounders and more for Johnny....Browns would have to consider that.
Now do I think the Browns do those things? I doubt it, but you know its at least been discussed, and Rex Grossman being there actually gives them the option to made a deal if they felt like it becomes necessary.
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Wouldn't surprise me if they traded Hoyer.
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And what of shaw? Practice squad?
And what of shaw? Practice squad?
PIzza Hut?
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its a gut feeling. i don't have any substantial evidence other than they want the same job.
they're competing. as mature as i'm sure they try to be, you want the other guy to fail. especially hoyer since this might be his last shot.
bringing in a veteran like rex is a rather large dynamic shift. i can see layers of reasoning for that move.
Rather large dynamic shift? How good do you think Rex is?
I think it's more of the fact that the Browns have started at least 3 QB's per season each of the the last two years. It's easier to have a guy come in as a third stringer who you don't have to reteach an entire offense to.
Rather large dynamic shift? How good do you think Rex is?
I think it's more of the fact that the Browns have started at least 3 QB's per season each of the the last two years. It's easier to have a guy come in as a third stringer who you don't have to reteach an entire offense to.
I don't see where bringing in Rex is any different than having Tyler Thigpen here. Nothing "dynamic" about either of those names.
sometimes i forget the majority of people went to public school. apologies.
this is a change in the QB room. it seems johnny has been given a mentor, making hoyer expendable.
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this fuckin loser hasn't played in three years. brilliant
he couldn't beat out kirk cousins in dc
next
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He is a third stringer. Why is anyone that concerned? I am sure he is better than most third stringers in the league.
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Rather large dynamic shift? How good do you think Rex is?
I think it's more of the fact that the Browns have started at least 3 QB's per season each of the the last two years. It's easier to have a guy come in as a third stringer who you don't have to reteach an entire offense to.
I don't see where bringing in Rex is any different than having Tyler Thigpen here. Nothing "dynamic" about either of those names.
sometimes i forget the majority of people went to public school. apologies.
this is a change in the QB room. it seems johnny has been given a mentor, making hoyer expendable.
sometimes i forget the majority of people went to public school. apologies.
this is a change in the QB room. it seems johnny has been given a mentor, making hoyer expendable.
And your point about us poor public school people?
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willbon better not bring his sorry ass to Cleveland
he'd get dropped like a used rubber
he ain't nuthin but a loud mouth pussy
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And your point about us poor public school people?
Yeah, that's an ignorant comment TxDawg made, hit a nerve with me.
I get tired of the elitist parochial school attitude portrayed by some folks. With all the silly mandated standardized tests floating around, parochial schools aren't really a great investment. The only difference (to me) is the parochial school can boot you out if you are acting like an idiot.
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Grossman is a better QB than Thigpen and can walk right in and use the Shanny system.
No-brainer.
Has nothing to do with Hoyer at all.
Sexy Rex will hold a clipboard on Sunday afternoons and be a cool third stringer who can drive Johnny's car to the after parties.
Zombo
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He's a good pickup to mentor JM in that system and Thigpen was just not playing well. Comments I have heard that Pettine favors bringing rookie QB's along slowly makes me believe he has already decided to go with Hoyer as his starter with JM coming in for cleanup time when games are already decided.
Hoyer going elsewhere is pure BS.
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Rather large dynamic shift? How good do you think Rex is?
I think it's more of the fact that the Browns have started at least 3 QB's per season each of the the last two years. It's easier to have a guy come in as a third stringer who you don't have to reteach an entire offense to.
I don't see where bringing in Rex is any different than having Tyler Thigpen here. Nothing "dynamic" about either of those names.
sometimes i forget the majority of people went to public school. apologies.
this is a change in the QB room. it seems johnny has been given a mentor, making hoyer expendable.
sometimes i forget the majority of people went to public school. apologies.
this is a change in the QB room. it seems johnny has been given a mentor, making hoyer expendable.
Rethink your approach next time. You made a valid point, right after you belittled the majority of people who may have considered it.
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Wow, the Whirling Dervish just picks up speed. I always wished the Browns were more relevant and featured more in the media, I guess I should've been more careful what I wished for.
Wow, the Whirling Dervish just picks up speed. I always wished the Browns were more relevant and featured more in the media, I guess I should've been more careful what I wished for.
LOL, ya should have listened to my voice crying in the wilderness, "beware, beware, you draft JFF and you bring the circus into town along with him. 6 PM ESPN, and 1AM ESPN radio today. Knew for a certainty it was going to be RG III hype all over again- and then some. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the Monday niter against the Redskins is the highest rated preseason game in NFL history. Quite a hoot to hear BSPN say today all the media coverage is because "Pettine won't name his starter." BullS**t, and FU- ESPN. Pettine will name his starting qb when he's damn good and ready to- he doesn't operate on your media schedule.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Haha, nice. Yeah Grossman is here for nothing other than film room help and as an emergency QB. Hoyers not going anywhere. And for everyone thinking Hoyer will be moved, Grossman was 3rd string for Washington for the last two seasons under Shanahan.
Why he was brought in- knows Shanahan's system cold. Can't be any worse than Thigpen.
I think the Grossman signing opens the possibility that Hoyer or Johnny is moved. The coaches and front office has to be under the assumption that they cannot coexist. The media and fans are not going to back down once a starter is named, theres always going to be a divide calling for the other guy.
Even the team is split, and I dont believe its a bitter split, but after a few losses that divide will become bitter.
Of course Hoyer is the obvious choice to be moved, has good momentum and no contract for next year so youd lose him for nothing if you dont move him beforehand.
However I can see a situation where say...the Cowboys realize Romo is about done and offer two first rounders and more for Johnny....Browns would have to consider that.
Now do I think the Browns do those things? I doubt it, but you know its at least been discussed, and Rex Grossman being there actually gives them the option to made a deal if they felt like it becomes necessary.
Looking for any excuse to get Hoyer kicked out of town? I'd love to get a couple first round picks from the Cowboys for Manziel- First, It would give the Browns three first round picks (probably a couple high) next year- plenty enough ammunition to move up to #1 overall and take Mariotta, or whoever else they deemed worthy of the pick, second it would get the JF fans out of here, so we could get back to discussing how Gilbert, Gilkey and Desir are doing. If Pettine isn't lying through his teeth, Hoyer will be on the Browns for a significant period of time. .
sometimes i forget the majority of people went to public school. apologies.
this is a change in the QB room. it seems johnny has been given a mentor, making hoyer expendable.
That's flat out laughable. If JF wins the starting job, Hoyer is the superior backup.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GrosRe00.htm
Grossman played one season since 2007- where he sucked, Never had a season where his completion % was over 60. Ever hear of a player coach? Say hi to Rex, because he isn't seeing the field unless both Hoyer and Manziel get hurt. .
It really is starting to get tiring arguing with you JFF fans that have a one track mind to see your guy start, regardless of what some of us board members who have been following NFL football in general, and the Browns in particular for 40+ years think what's really going on.
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Rather large dynamic shift? How good do you think Rex is?
I think it's more of the fact that the Browns have started at least 3 QB's per season each of the the last two years. It's easier to have a guy come in as a third stringer who you don't have to reteach an entire offense to.
I don't see where bringing in Rex is any different than having Tyler Thigpen here. Nothing "dynamic" about either of those names.
sometimes i forget the majority of people went to public school. apologies.
this is a change in the QB room. it seems johnny has been given a mentor, making hoyer expendable.
sometimes i forget the majority of people went to public school. apologies.
this is a change in the QB room. it seems johnny has been given a mentor, making hoyer expendable.
Ignorant ass... smh... Comments like this ruin these threads...
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