Would You Trade JF?
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Obviously, this is an extremely hypothetical situation.
Say you're Farmer. Say Romo goes down with a preseason injury, Weeden sucks two bags of dicks in his stead, and Hanie continues to be Hanie. Say Jerry approaches you for a trade.
Would you trade Johnny Manziel to the Cowboys? If so, what would you trade him for?
For me, the bargain basement price I would take would be two first round picks ('15 and '16). This would give us three first round picks in '15 and two in '16. With Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota and Brett Hundley all possibly declaring after this season, I think this would be too great of a deal to pass up.
Give Hoyer sixteen games to show what he's worth. If he flames out halfway through the season, give the ball to Shaw and see if there's a diamond in the rough.
I'm not saying tank the season, by any means. I'm saying that, in this case, there's nothing to be lost by trading Manziel.
We lose: one possible franchise QB, all the media attention in the world.
We gain: one possible franchise QB, one possible high quality starting player at another position of need, full tryout period for Hoyer/Shaw
Say we finish the season at 5-11, with the fifth pick. The Cowboys finish at 8-8, somewhere around the 11th pick. The Bills finish at 5-11, with the fourth pick. That's three picks in the top 15 in next year's draft. Would that not be worth it?
Of course, another option is to let Manziel play the year out and then trade him away as a package deal on draft day.
Obviously, this is an extremely hypothetical situation.
Say you're Farmer. Say Romo goes down with a preseason injury, Weeden sucks two bags of dicks in his stead, and Hanie continues to be Hanie. Say Jerry approaches you for a trade.
Would you trade Johnny Manziel to the Cowboys? If so, what would you trade him for?
For me, the bargain basement price I would take would be two first round picks ('15 and '16). This would give us three first round picks in '15 and two in '16. With Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota and Brett Hundley all possibly declaring after this season, I think this would be too great of a deal to pass up.
Give Hoyer sixteen games to show what he's worth. If he flames out halfway through the season, give the ball to Shaw and see if there's a diamond in the rough.
I'm not saying tank the season, by any means. I'm saying that, in this case, there's nothing to be lost by trading Manziel.
We lose: one possible franchise QB, all the media attention in the world.
We gain: one possible franchise QB, one possible high quality starting player at another position of need, full tryout period for Hoyer/Shaw
Say we finish the season at 5-11, with the fifth pick. The Cowboys finish at 8-8, somewhere around the 11th pick. The Bills finish at 5-11, with the fourth pick. That's three picks in the top 15 in next year's draft. Would that not be worth it?
Of course, another option is to let Manziel play the year out and then trade him away as a package deal on draft day.
i'd do it in a heartbeat.
no one is proven yet. it is an extreme hypothetical and i doubt if the cowboys would do it. (although we all know jerry jones would love the added attention that manziel would bring). now the texans are a different story. o'brien and their GM like guys they can control but given the state of their offense i could see them giving in a little bit to the owner and maybe putting together something the browns might be interested in. with fitzpatrick they are dead in the water again. i like savage but he is as far from NFL ready as connor shaw.
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Yes. I'd just give them manziel for free if it would get his homo fans off this board.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Two 1st is too much. Maybe a 1st and a 3rd. If i was Jerry id pull the trigger on it.
No, two firsts is not enough. Whattsamattayou.....not giving your boy his due?
I want Zach Martin, next year's first and 3rd rounder, plus another player....say Terence Williams.
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With the Browns luck at drafting QBs, I would say if Manziel turned out to be an above average starter at the least, you couldn't pry him away from the team for 3 1st rounders
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The Cowboys would need to give up too much to make this trade. Jerry wouldn't risk looking like a total fool by passing up on Manziel in the draft and then trading away too much to get him.
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Obviously, this is an extremely hypothetical situation.
Say you're Farmer. Say Romo goes down with a preseason injury, Weeden sucks two bags of dicks in his stead, and Hanie continues to be Hanie. Say Jerry approaches you for a trade.
Would you trade Johnny Manziel to the Cowboys? If so, what would you trade him for?
For me, the bargain basement price I would take would be two first round picks ('15 and '16). This would give us three first round picks in '15 and two in '16. With Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota and Brett Hundley all possibly declaring after this season, I think this would be too great of a deal to pass up.
Give Hoyer sixteen games to show what he's worth. If he flames out halfway through the season, give the ball to Shaw and see if there's a diamond in the rough.
I'm not saying tank the season, by any means. I'm saying that, in this case, there's nothing to be lost by trading Manziel.
We lose: one possible franchise QB, all the media attention in the world.
We gain: one possible franchise QB, one possible high quality starting player at another position of need, full tryout period for Hoyer/Shaw
Say we finish the season at 5-11, with the fifth pick. The Cowboys finish at 8-8, somewhere around the 11th pick. The Bills finish at 5-11, with the fourth pick. That's three picks in the top 15 in next year's draft. Would that not be worth it?
Of course, another option is to let Manziel play the year out and then trade him away as a package deal on draft day.
Obviously, this is an extremely hypothetical situation.
But an extremely interesting one... nice build.
Would I do it? Yes.
now the texans are a different story.
Nice twist... Texans would make an interesting, JM trade partner. Hello Andre' Johnson plus picks? Maybe Savage as well?
Also could be a partner, if BH was the one moved...
I want Zach Martin, next year's first and 3rd rounder, plus another player....say Terence Williams.
Nice... Considering players adds possibilities...
While asking for Martin to simply be added to your Cowboy package strikes me a getting a tad greedy, asking for him while adding Greco to our package seems as something that might not be DOA.
EDIT: Or could offer Schwartz and move either Martin or Bitonio to RT. Probably the latter...
Have I mentioned lately that I am not a Schwartz fan?
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No F'in way. Not for any legitimate offer they would come up with. Certainly not for future picks.
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You'd have a better chance of extorting from a worse team that has no QB and will have a tough time not being the worst team in the NFL this coming season-Houston!
But Cleveland stays on the map and makes tons of $$ off JF just being on the roster as QB in training hehind Hoyer. You don't throw away a gold mine that takes little $ to keep producing for you.
PS-but I might consider if they take USFBrown with Manziel in the trade. LOL!
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You'd have a better chance of extorting from a worse team that has no QB and will have a tough time not being the worst team in the NFL this coming season-Houston!
But Cleveland stays on the map and makes tons of $$ off JF just being on the roster as QB in training hehind Hoyer. You don't throw away a gold mine that takes little $ to keep producing for you.
PS-but I might consider if they take USFBrown with Manziel in the trade. LOL!
Houston will have a winning season. Too good of a core to shit the bed again. Last season was a freak year for themYou'd have a better chance of extorting from a worse team that has no QB and will have a tough time not being the worst team in the NFL this coming season-Houston!
But Cleveland stays on the map and makes tons of $$ off JF just being on the roster as QB in training hehind Hoyer. You don't throw away a gold mine that takes little $ to keep producing for you.
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Straight trade for Weeden.
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Houston will have a winning season. Too good of a core to shit the bed again. Last season was a freak year for themYou'd have a better chance of extorting from a worse team that has no QB and will have a tough time not being the worst team in the NFL this coming season-Houston!
But Cleveland stays on the map and makes tons of $$ off JF just being on the roster as QB in training hehind Hoyer. You don't throw away a gold mine that takes little $ to keep producing for you.
Houston will have a winning season. Too good of a core to shit the bed again. Last season was a freak year for them
If Brian Cushing stays healthy, I could see 8-8. But that's their ceiling IMO. I see a 3 to 5 win team.
Cushing just brings a certain thing to the team that's irreplaceable. The texans are a bunch of shirt Tuckers; they need his mean streak. Night and day team the last 2 years after he went down.
Andre isn't happy, and he's been considered the classiest athlete in Houston history (next to biggio), something has to be wrong IMO. That core got blown up.
The texans are such a boring franchise but I was impressed with their draft. I think the goal is to attract a veteran qb In the next couple of years. Maybe Eli manning? And win with the best defense in the league.
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Houston will have a winning season. Too good of a core to shit the bed again. Last season was a freak year for themYou'd have a better chance of extorting from a worse team that has no QB and will have a tough time not being the worst team in the NFL this coming season-Houston!
But Cleveland stays on the map and makes tons of $$ off JF just being on the roster as QB in training hehind Hoyer. You don't throw away a gold mine that takes little $ to keep producing for you.
Houston will have a winning season. Too good of a core to shit the bed again. Last season was a freak year for them
I'll take some of that...
I tried to watch my recording of their preseason opener and it was so painful that I barely made it thru the 1st QTR.
No way they'd deal JJ Watt...
Is there?
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There sure is a lot of smoke on the internet about an Andre Johnson for Hoyer trade
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