They shot one of my homies, lets go get some free stuff!
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Now answer the question I asked you. Do you believe black communities put pressure on other blacks to succeed in the traditional fashions of Americans? To work hard, get good grades, go to a good school and attain a career? Because it seems to me, especially in the lower socioeconomic class that encompasses most black communities that pressure to do better generation by generation is not there or at least very poorly represented. Black folks that do are often labeled as acting white or uncle toms by their peers.
Yes.
I attribute the attitude you're describing more to socioeconomic status than race.
I realize parts of African culture have been absorbed into Ameeican culture (like ever other culture). You were making the point about black culture having these negative side effects. Attributing the short comings of blacks in Africa and blackd in America to the same"culture". I don't see that as being true. There are many, many more factors at play than some culture linked only by skin color...
Yes.
I attribute the attitude you're describing more to socioeconomic status than race.
I realize parts of African culture have been absorbed into Ameeican culture (like ever other culture). You were making the point about black culture having these negative side effects. Attributing the short comings of blacks in Africa and blackd in America to the same"culture". I don't see that as being true. There are many, many more factors at play than some culture linked only by skin color...
Yes you feel like they do put pressure on each other to do those things and emphasis on them in their communities?
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I feel some do and some don't. I feel some whites do and some don't. I feel some hispanics do and some don't. I think the common denominator is more socioeconomic status... not race. Not a race's culture.
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I'm not sure you've spent any time in predominantly african american communities. After all most african Americans who attain an upper middle class or upper class economic status choose to leave those communities and move to other communities. I'm not sure those people are relevant to this conversation.
Let's ask this question a different way but I'm not sure you'd be able to answer honestly. Would you rather grow up in a trailer park or urban public housing?
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Both of those places suck.
Worst case scenario urban public housing is probably worse than worst case scenario trailer park though
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I'm not sure you've spent any time in predominantly african american communities. After all most african Americans who attain an upper middle class or upper class economic status choose to leave those communities and move to other communities. I'm not sure those people are relevant to this conversation.
Let's ask this question a different way but I'm not sure you'd be able to answer honestly. Would you rather grow up in a trailer park or urban public housing?
I'm not sure you've spent any time in predominantly african american communities. After all most african Americans who attain an upper middle class or upper class economic status choose to leave those communities and move to other communities. I'm not sure those people are relevant to this conversation.
How are they not relevant? They're a major counterpoint to your argument...
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Woodpeckerhead is brainwashed by college professors. He has never lived amongst the black. Get a job at GE and move to East Cleveland. Experience the culture.
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I must have missed these brainwashing liberal professors you keep going on about. I don't believe there were any in my department....
I got a co-op offer from GE, but it wasn't at that plant. I might have accepted if it was, but I heard it was a very shitty place.
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I'm not sure you've spent any time in predominantly african american communities. After all most african Americans who attain an upper middle class or upper class economic status choose to leave those communities and move to other communities. I'm not sure those people are relevant to this conversation.
How are they not relevant? They're a major counterpoint to your argument...
How are they not relevant? They're a major counterpoint to your argument...
Because they tend not to live in "black" communities.
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How are they not relevant? They're a major counterpoint to your argument...
Because they tend not to live in "black" communities.
Because they tend not to live in "black" communities.
Yes but according to your post they were there at one point.
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Most affluent black families are gentrified. Then there is the suddenly rich. I'm pretty sure most upper class families wouldn't love it if Lil Wayne moved in next door
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They don't have to be affluent. Just middle class or a little better. That would work for this argument too. According to your post, they would have also come from these black communities.
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What's your point woody do you know? It's pretty common that as more blacks become middle class and start moving out to the suburbs the other inhabitants of those suburbs start moving further out. It's that reason that formerly nice suburban areas like garfield heights are now considered sort of crappy areas. That process takes a while but it always happens
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Euclid was a nice suburb when I was a kid. My uncle moved out there. I lived in Cleveland near the West Side Market and we used to love going over there for Clam Bakes, etc. Felt like the country. Now its just another inner ring ghetto.
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Yeah Euclid is pretty crappy and other traditionally affluent communities on the east side are inexorably falling victim to that as well. Take shaker heights for instance. Once only the richest lived there and now despite there still being some really nice old housing and beautiful schools it's slowly becoming an undesirable place to live. Crime is up. School performance is down. Cleveland heights is another. Beachwood still has some years but pretty soon the affluent folk of Beachwood will start moving out to orange and beyond
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Shaker is going down fast. Cleveland Heights just had that Restaurant/Bar owner murdered by them black thugs from Cleveland. It's like cancer, spreading fast and no cure.
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se Canton is becoming a place you do not drive through in places.
I did, once, meeting my fiance at a swim party, obviously decades ago,
and two grade school black kids through rocks at my truck when I realized
I made a wrong turn.
After two rocks, I got out and said "HEY, what did I do? I'm lost, stop throwing
rocks at me!"
And their mom stomped out of the front door, and was screaming that she was going
to call the poiice because I was harrassing her kids....
She said that after I told her right after she came off the porch, that her boys were
throwing rocks at my truck.
Goin downhill. Cysko nailed it. And woodpecker is trying to argue based on whinyness because
he never knows what he's talking about.
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So these neighborhoods are going downhill because of "black culture". But those black families in middle class and above situations, they don't have "black culture". So really the "black" part has little to do with it but the socioeconomic status does...
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
is anyone nervous to walk down the street on Murray Hill where the Italians live West Park for the Irish live Beachwood with the Jews live Barberton where the Slovenians and Slovaks Live?
Why or why not?
WSS
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So these neighborhoods are going downhill because of "black culture". But those black families in middle class and above situations, they don't have "black culture". So really the "black" part has little to do with it but the socioeconomic status does...
So these neighborhoods are going downhill because of "black culture". But those black families in middle class and above situations, they don't have "black culture". So really the "black" part has little to do with it but the socioeconomic status does...
Socioeconomic status does play a part, but it is in no way justification for unlawful actions or the reason they are stuck in the "ghetto". There is a way out. The only thing holding an individual back is themselves and the choices they make.
There is a mentality and trend growing that there is a certain level of entitlement with those at lower income levels. The protests against fast food(FF) chains and wanting $15.00 an hour for entry-level work is a perfect example. FF jobs, the majority, are entry-level, for the part-time high school or college kids. Over the last two decades, seniors have found comfortable employment to supplement social security. However, for the rest, they are expecting an employer to compensate for their inability, their lack of motivation, and the plethora of bad life choices that have led them to feel that FF employment is all that is out there. No FF chain should be forced to pay above a job grade just because the media wants to jump on the topic trying to create sympathy. Employers, regardless of the associate and their current level of income should not be forced to compensate for the poor choices that an associate makes.
This is the mentality that is being nurtured and cradled. It is wrong and is wrong of the media to try and gain social support.
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I pretty much agree with most of that
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