Would You Trade JF?
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Mike Pettine is deciding to drive the Volvo while he has a Lamborghini in the garage.
Why buy it?
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How could you possibly know you're getting a better QB? We just drafted the guy. Can we at least see if he's any good first? Ouch... my brain hurts
How could you possibly know you're getting a worse QB? We just drafted the guy. We have no clue what he's going to become.
The chances of Manziel being a successful NFL QB, at this very moment, are exactly the same as Winston's, Hundley's, Mariota's, Bortles', Bridgewater's, etc.
In the basest of rationalities, Manziel has a 50/50 chance, right now, at being a successful NFL QB. He either will be or he won't be. I would trade that in a heartbeat for the chance to get two guys with 50/50 shots at being successful.
Trading Manziel would do two things:
1) it would give us a chance to fully see what Hoyer (and maybe Shaw) are capable of
and
2) it would give us a couple additional high-probability draft picks to build future positions of need
Obviously, this is a hypothetical situation and it won't happen. And I am happy with having Johnny Manziel. But, personally, I don't stop trying to improve something just because I'm happy. If there's a way to make the Browns better, it should be explored.
How could you possibly know you're getting a worse QB? We just drafted the guy. We have no clue what he's going to become.
The chances of Manziel being a successful NFL QB, at this very moment, are exactly the same as Winston's, Hundley's, Mariota's, Bortles', Bridgewater's, etc.
In the basest of rationalities, Manziel has a 50/50 chance, right now, at being a successful NFL QB. He either will be or he won't be. I would trade that in a heartbeat for the chance to get two guys with 50/50 shots at being successful.
Trading Manziel would do two things:
1) it would give us a chance to fully see what Hoyer (and maybe Shaw) are capable of
and
2) it would give us a couple additional high-probability draft picks to build future positions of need
Obviously, this is a hypothetical situation and it won't happen. And I am happy with having Johnny Manziel. But, personally, I don't stop trying to improve something just because I'm happy. If there's a way to make the Browns better, it should be explored.
Uh high probability draft picks and not having to draft out of need? Come on dude if Hoyer shits the bed we have no quarterback. None. Then we will spend those two high probability pics on another untested rookie that you will hate if Oregon or Florida fans join the board.
WSS
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At this point, I wouldn't trade Manziel for anything less than 3 first round picks plus a couple other throw in picks in the 3rd to 4th rounds. Look at ALL the Raiders had to give away for that piece of shit Carson Palmer. We are talking about a player that may be good enough to change the entire game. I've never quite seen a player do the kinds of things that Manziel does on a football field. He is exciting and manifests the will to win from the team that I've not seen in a QB for a long time.
At this point it is still kind of up in the air as to what his potential could be. But that is the exact reason that I wouldn't let him go for anything less than a king's ransom. We haven't had a QB worth his salt in almost 20 years. We may have found our guy in Manziel. Another preseason game like the last one, this time against and with the 'ones' and I'm all but sold on the kid. He truly is a special player and one that I could enjoy watching with that kind of passion and will to make things happen on the field.
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How could you possibly know you're getting a worse QB? We just drafted the guy. We have no clue what he's going to become.
The chances of Manziel being a successful NFL QB, at this very moment, are exactly the same as Winston's, Hundley's, Mariota's, Bortles', Bridgewater's, etc.
In the basest of rationalities, Manziel has a 50/50 chance, right now, at being a successful NFL QB. He either will be or he won't be. I would trade that in a heartbeat for the chance to get two guys with 50/50 shots at being successful.
Trading Manziel would do two things:
1) it would give us a chance to fully see what Hoyer (and maybe Shaw) are capable of
and
2) it would give us a couple additional high-probability draft picks to build future positions of need
Obviously, this is a hypothetical situation and it won't happen. And I am happy with having Johnny Manziel. But, personally, I don't stop trying to improve something just because I'm happy. If there's a way to make the Browns better, it should be explored.
Uh high probability draft picks and not having to draft out of need? Come on dude if Hoyer shits the bed we have no quarterback. None. Then we will spend those two high probability pics on another untested rookie that you will hate if Oregon or Florida fans join the board.
WSS
Uh high probability draft picks and not having to draft out of need? Come on dude if Hoyer shits the bed we have no quarterback. None. Then we will spend those two high probability pics on another untested rookie that you will hate if Oregon or Florida fans join the board.
WSS
there is no following (not even for tebow) that matches the JohnnyFootball fag boy circus.
i thought texas was supposed to be rough and tumble, with cowboys and oil and guns. instead it turns out the grass is pink and the cattle wear tutus and every 15 year old boy who didn't know how to come out of the closet has latched onto johnny manziel as if he's something other than human.
god forbid hoyer wins the job and plays the whole season and does well. imagine the bitching from the JF crew?
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At this point, I wouldn't trade Manziel for anything less than 3 first round picks plus a couple other throw in picks in the 3rd to 4th rounds. Look at ALL the Raiders had to give away for that piece of shit Carson Palmer. We are talking about a player that may be good enough to change the entire game. I've never quite seen a player do the kinds of things that Manziel does on a football field. He is exciting and manifests the will to win from the team that I've not seen in a QB for a long time.
At this point it is still kind of up in the air as to what his potential could be. But that is the exact reason that I wouldn't let him go for anything less than a king's ransom. We haven't had a QB worth his salt in almost 20 years. We may have found our guy in Manziel. Another preseason game like the last one, this time against and with the 'ones' and I'm all but sold on the kid. He truly is a special player and one that I could enjoy watching with that kind of passion and will to make things happen on the field.
At this point, I wouldn't trade Manziel for anything less than 3 first round picks plus a couple other throw in picks in the 3rd to 4th rounds. Look at ALL the Raiders had to give away for that piece of shit Carson Palmer. We are talking about a player that may be good enough to change the entire game. I've never quite seen a player do the kinds of things that Manziel does on a football field. He is exciting and manifests the will to win from the team that I've not seen in a QB for a long time.
At this point it is still kind of up in the air as to what his potential could be. But that is the exact reason that I wouldn't let him go for anything less than a king's ransom. We haven't had a QB worth his salt in almost 20 years. We may have found our guy in Manziel. Another preseason game like the last one, this time against and with the 'ones' and I'm all but sold on the kid. He truly is a special player and one that I could enjoy watching with that kind of passion and will to make things happen on the field.
HAHAHA!!
it's all over JF fans. PoG just gave you the kiss of death. ask trent richardson.
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Uh high probability draft picks and not having to draft out of need? Come on dude if Hoyer shits the bed we have no quarterback. None. Then we will spend those two high probability pics on another untested rookie that you will hate if Oregon or Florida fans join the board.
WSS
there is no following (not even for tebow) that matches the JohnnyFootball fag boy circus.
i thought texas was supposed to be rough and tumble, with cowboys and oil and guns. instead it turns out the grass is pink and the cattle wear tutus and every 15 year old boy who didn't know how to come out of the closet has latched onto johnny manziel as if he's something other than human.
god forbid hoyer wins the job and plays the whole season and does well. imagine the bitching from the JF crew?
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At this point, I wouldn't trade Manziel for anything less than 3 first round picks plus a couple other throw in picks in the 3rd to 4th rounds. Look at ALL the Raiders had to give away for that piece of shit Carson Palmer. We are talking about a player that may be good enough to change the entire game. I've never quite seen a player do the kinds of things that Manziel does on a football field. He is exciting and manifests the will to win from the team that I've not seen in a QB for a long time.
At this point it is still kind of up in the air as to what his potential could be. But that is the exact reason that I wouldn't let him go for anything less than a king's ransom. We haven't had a QB worth his salt in almost 20 years. We may have found our guy in Manziel. Another preseason game like the last one, this time against and with the 'ones' and I'm all but sold on the kid. He truly is a special player and one that I could enjoy watching with that kind of passion and will to make things happen on the field.
HAHAHA!!
it's all over JF fans. PoG just gave you the kiss of death. ask trent richardson.
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Uh high probability draft picks and not having to draft out of need? Come on dude if Hoyer shits the bed we have no quarterback. None. Then we will spend those two high probability pics on another untested rookie that you will hate if Oregon or Florida fans join the board.
WSS
there is no following (not even for tebow) that matches the JohnnyFootball fag boy circus.
i thought texas was supposed to be rough and tumble, with cowboys and oil and guns. instead it turns out the grass is pink and the cattle wear tutus and every 15 year old boy who didn't know how to come out of the closet has latched onto johnny manziel as if he's something other than human.
god forbid hoyer wins the job and plays the whole season and does well. imagine the bitching from the JF crew?
i thought texas was supposed to be rough and tumble, with cowboys and oil and guns. instead it turns out the grass is pink and the cattle wear tutus and every 15 year old boy who didn't know how to come out of the closet has latched onto johnny manziel as if he's something other than human.
Damn near wet myself...
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I would take Dez Bryant for JF + 2nd rounder.
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Mike Pettine is deciding to drive the Volvo while he has a Lamborghini in the garage.
Why buy it?
Mike Pettine is deciding to drive the Volvo while he has a Lamborghini in the garage.
Why buy it?
Because a Volvo is a sturdier, steadier vehicle? It handles the road much better and is far less likely to end up in a ditch! It has far more capacity to carry additional passengers?
I am sure I could come up with some other auto analogies, just like I did with the chicken/goose analogies.
All that said, I sure want to take that Lamborghini out for a test drive to see how far I can get before I crash and burn...and to see if I can get fully cross country without that happening.
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Uh high probability draft picks and not having to draft out of need? Come on dude if Hoyer shits the bed we have no quarterback. None. Then we will spend those two high probability pics on another untested rookie that you will hate if Oregon or Florida fans join the board.
WSS
there is no following (not even for tebow) that matches the JohnnyFootball fag boy circus.
i thought texas was supposed to be rough and tumble, with cowboys and oil and guns. instead it turns out the grass is pink and the cattle wear tutus and every 15 year old boy who didn't know how to come out of the closet has latched onto johnny manziel as if he's something other than human.
god forbid hoyer wins the job and plays the whole season and does well. imagine the bitching from the JF crew?
there is no following (not even for tebow) that matches the JohnnyFootball fag boy circus.
i thought texas was supposed to be rough and tumble, with cowboys and oil and guns. instead it turns out the grass is pink and the cattle wear tutus and every 15 year old boy who didn't know how to come out of the closet has latched onto johnny manziel as if he's something other than human.
god forbid hoyer wins the job and plays the whole season and does well. imagine the bitching from the JF crew?
Well, Texas does have some real cowboys....I can attest to that. My borther used to be one of them.
But they sure do also have their share of phony cowboys. Urban Cowboys.
I give credit to John Travolta for being able to portray that kind of character perfectly.
I mean, there was just enough of his real NY/NJ accent creeping into his faux Texas accent to give it credibility.
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At this point, I wouldn't trade Manziel for anything less than 3 first round picks plus a couple other throw in picks in the 3rd to 4th rounds. Look at ALL the Raiders had to give away for that piece of shit Carson Palmer. We are talking about a player that may be good enough to change the entire game. I've never quite seen a player do the kinds of things that Manziel does on a football field. He is exciting and manifests the will to win from the team that I've not seen in a QB for a long time.
At this point it is still kind of up in the air as to what his potential could be. But that is the exact reason that I wouldn't let him go for anything less than a king's ransom. We haven't had a QB worth his salt in almost 20 years. We may have found our guy in Manziel. Another preseason game like the last one, this time against and with the 'ones' and I'm all but sold on the kid. He truly is a special player and one that I could enjoy watching with that kind of passion and will to make things happen on the field.
HAHAHA!!
it's all over JF fans. PoG just gave you the kiss of death. ask trent richardson.
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lol- kiss of death...
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Isn't it ironic all the dopes who say "Fanboy" are the first fucking ones to respond to a Manziel thread and feel obligated to post 800 times in one.
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Uh high probability draft picks and not having to draft out of need? Come on dude if Hoyer shits the bed we have no quarterback. None. Then we will spend those two high probability pics on another untested rookie that you will hate if Oregon or Florida fans join the board.
WSS
there is no following (not even for tebow) that matches the JohnnyFootball fag boy circus.
i thought texas was supposed to be rough and tumble, with cowboys and oil and guns. instead it turns out the grass is pink and the cattle wear tutus and every 15 year old boy who didn't know how to come out of the closet has latched onto johnny manziel as if he's something other than human.
god forbid hoyer wins the job and plays the whole season and does well. imagine the bitching from the JF crew?
i thought texas was supposed to be rough and tumble, with cowboys and oil and guns. instead it turns out the grass is pink and the cattle wear tutus and every 15 year old boy who didn't know how to come out of the closet has latched onto johnny manziel as if he's something other than human.
Damn mik we may have to make you an honorary fanboy. You're gettin' downright poetic lately.
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Isn't it ironic all the dopes who say "Fanboy" are the first fucking ones to respond to a Manziel thread and feel obligated to post 800 times in one.
Isn't it ironic all the dopes who say "Fanboy" are the first fucking ones to respond to a Manziel thread and feel obligated to post 800 times in one.
Apparently that would be......you.
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In response to the original question....HELL NO! This kid is smart with fantastic upside & athleticism & we would be foolish to trade him, especially this early.
That's my opinion and, while that isn't worth much, I think the kid's a winner. Let's see what he can do for US before we talk of trading him.
Mike
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Isn't it ironic all the dopes who say "Fanboy" are the first fucking ones to respond to a Manziel thread and feel obligated to post 800 times in one.
Apparently that would be......you.
Apparently that would be......you.
You're the one throwing yourself in the conversation because you're made he's our star QB
Get just sit back and let it sink in that he's our future.
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i thought texas was supposed to be rough and tumble, with cowboys and oil and guns. instead it turns out the grass is pink and the cattle wear tutus and every 15 year old boy who didn't know how to come out of the closet has latched onto johnny manziel as if he's something other than human.
Damn mik we may have to make you an honorary fanboy. You're gettin' downright poetic lately.
Damn mik we may have to make you an honorary fanboy. You're gettin' downright poetic lately.
hey if manziel blows it up on monday i might be knocking walter out first place in the manziel homo line.
eh.......no.
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