Brian Hoyer
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Oh, gotcha. I'm gonna go hide and act like that future's so bright comment didn't happen now. That was pretty lame.
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Yeah, but Romo and Warner never went up against Manziel. And I'm not kidding when I say he'd beat out both of them in a fair competition, just like h's beating out Hoyer right now by every objective measure.
except he's not a better passer than Manziel is right now.
If you think that's Manziel's game then watch an actual game, because that couldn't be further from the truth. If anybody throws it up, it's Hoyer to Gordon. Manziel is twice the passer Hoyer is right now and the stats back that up. He consistently has a higher completion percentage than Hoyer.
read this back to yourself in a mirror and then ask yourself: "why do people on the browns board call me a johnny football fag?"
btw. gumboner76, funniest username ever.
read this back to yourself in a mirror and then ask yourself: "why do people on the browns board call me a johnny football fag?"
btw. gumboner76, funniest username ever.
Hey look, you want to call everyone fag and shit like that, fine. I don't care. I've watched a LOT of football in my life, I'd hazard more than just about anybody on this board unless you've ever been involved in football professionally. I've watched a lot of current starting NFL qbs from high school and through college. If they played football in Texas, then chances are I've been watching them since they were Juniors in high school. Johnny is the best I've ever seen. He's better than Tannehill, he's better than RG3, better than Drew Brees, better than Sam Bradford, and he's damn sure better than Brian Hoyer. I follow Johnny because he is that much fun to watch and he is that amazing. I hope that you guys as fans get to experience it, but to be honest, the way some of you act I don't think you deserve the joy he can bring you watching him play football. He will play harder than anybody else on your team if he is given the chance. You don't have a player that wants to win more than he does. It's pretty awesome to watch. But you bitter guys that call him "mini-me" and shit like that makes me hope you trade him to a franchise with a fanbase that respects what he has already accomplished, which is more than pretty much anybody on your team at this point.
I see you compare him to somebody like Wheedon or Colt McCoy and it makes me laugh. Colt McCoy couldn't make it one quarter against Alabama without getting hurt and pulling himself out the game. Johnny separated his shoulder against Auburn and missed one series. Neither Colt nor Wheedon won a Heisman as a freshman. If you'd watched those guys play in college you'd know how much Johnny outclasses either one of those guys. You should compare Johnny to guys like Hershel Walker or Adrian Peterson, guys who came close to winning Heismen as freshman, but nobody does that because he's 5'11" instead of 6'3".
You say you watched highlights and all he did was throw it up to Mike Evans. Do yourself a favor and go on youtube and watch a game. There are literally hundreds of plays by Manziel that don't make the highlight reels because, basically, you cannot include all the amazing plays and keep the highlights short enough for anybody to reasonably watch. The guy is an amazing passer, and anybody that actually watches him play realizes that.
This coaching staff may go with Hoyer, and I know a lot of people want Hoyer to start and Johnny to come off the bench if he struggles. My problem with that is that you are basically giving up any chance to make the playoffs or make a run in the playoffs if you do that. I really believe you have a chance to make a deep run in the playoffs if you start Johnny game one and let him start getting experience. I know you'll think this is crazy, but it wouldn't surprise me if you won the Superbowl with him his first year, if the coaching staff invests in him and gives him a chance.
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Just for the record. Fridays practice with the ones.
Manziel 2-6 no points
Hoyer. 6-6 2 td's.
I think you need to rematch the lions game. Yes manziel had a higher percentage. He only threw check downs. One pass was a 12 yd but every other pass was a check down. Hoyer had 3 drops over 20 yards. And still had more passing yards. Hoyer led two drives and had 6 points. (Won't bring up the drop by Gordon that should have been a Td). Manziel drove for 3 points. Manziel was also playing against guys who are probably not gonna see the field much if they even make the team. Hoyer was playing against the number ones. The only reason manziel is getting one reps is to keep the fans oohing like school girls to make money and keep Cleveland relevant.
Also Hoyer is named starter. If manziel is that awesome why isn't he starting?
I may not be able to bring up that many Cinderella stories but I can sure name all the first round draft picks that were a bust. 3 for Cleveland alone in the last 15 years.
Maybe I'm wrong and manziel is the savior. I don't care. All I want is some good f'n football for once in Cleveland.
Just for the record. Fridays practice with the ones.
Manziel 2-6 no points
Hoyer. 6-6 2 td's.
I think you need to rematch the lions game. Yes manziel had a higher percentage. He only threw check downs. One pass was a 12 yd but every other pass was a check down. Hoyer had 3 drops over 20 yards. And still had more passing yards. Hoyer led two drives and had 6 points. (Won't bring up the drop by Gordon that should have been a Td). Manziel drove for 3 points. Manziel was also playing against guys who are probably not gonna see the field much if they even make the team. Hoyer was playing against the number ones. The only reason manziel is getting one reps is to keep the fans oohing like school girls to make money and keep Cleveland relevant.
Also Hoyer is named starter. If manziel is that awesome why isn't he starting?
I may not be able to bring up that many Cinderella stories but I can sure name all the first round draft picks that were a bust. 3 for Cleveland alone in the last 15 years.
Maybe I'm wrong and manziel is the savior. I don't care. All I want is some good f'n football for once in Cleveland.
I saw Hoyer miss two passes high and skip another one off the turf. I saw Johnny throw one bad ball. Johnny is a better passer than Hoyer. Any statistical category you want to compare Johnny is better.
Maybe he's not dominating him three weeks into his rookie season, but project a little here. If it's this close now, how close will it be once Johnny is allowed to work with the ones as much as Hoyer and he gets comfortable playing at the NFL speed. Johnny will dominate Hoyer. There is nothing that Hoyer does better than Johnny. Doesn't throw a better ball, doesn't complete higher percentage of passes, doesn't run better. I guess he manages the huddle better, whatever that means, but it's not like Johnny can't do that, too. He's smarter than Hoyer is and will pass him in every mental category as he becomes more comfortable running this system.
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The only stat that matters is who drives for points. And Hoyer is ahead.
Don't care about projections either. Who is best for winning now. Hoyer is.
He's more comfortable. In the pocket. Reads defenses better. Who leads the team better Hoyer. Who reads the field better, Hoyer.
Maybe Johnny should have studied film a little more than the bar menu. Who knows.
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Johnny is a a college football legend.
I had him rated the best QB in the draft; ahead of Bortles and Bridgewater ... And I will stand by that.
But you have to understand a couple things:
1. He's 5'11, throws from 3/4 (unlike equally small Bree's and Wilson who throw over top) and a big part of his game is taking off and running, and NFL defenders are lethal ... Take the best defender of an SEC team, give him NFL experience, and then times him by 11.
2. He was drafted 22. So 21 times a team said " um ... Yeah ... No thanks." And Browns fans in particular have swallowed bitter late first round pills.
So, don't just be patient with JFF ... Be patient with Browns fans.
This is the NFL ... Where college legends meet their mortality.
Just let it play out. And don't be a homo.
Z
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Jesus Christ.
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Johnny is a a college football legend.
I had him rated the best QB in the draft; ahead of Bortles and Bridgewater ... And I will stand by that.
But you have to understand a couple things:
1. He's 5'11, throws from 3/4 (unlike equally small Bree's and Wilson who throw over top) and a big part of his game is taking off and running, and NFL defenders are lethal ... Take the best defender of an SEC team, give him NFL experience, and then times him by 11.
2. He was drafted 22. So 21 times a team said " um ... Yeah ... No thanks." And Browns fans in particular have swallowed bitter late first round pills.
So, don't just be patient with JFF ... Be patient with Browns fans.
This is the NFL ... Where college legends meet their mortality.
Just let it play out. And don't be a homo.
Z
Zombo said:
1. He's 5'11, throws from 3/4 (unlike equally small Bree's and Wilson who throw over top) and a big part of his game is taking off and running, and NFL defenders are lethal ... Take the best defender of an SEC team, give him NFL experience, and then times him by 11.
2. He was drafted 22. So 21 times a team said " um ... Yeah ... No thanks." And Browns fans in particular have swallowed bitter late first round pills.
1. Manziel has yet to take a pass in a real live NFL game and you're already saying he can't throw like Brees or Wilson in the NFL????
2. Way to bring up Brees who went 33 overall so 32 times a team said "um....yeah.... No thanks"
Russell Wilson? 66 or 67 times a team said "um....yeah....no thanks".
I appreciate your takes but this was just lazy, sloppy writing on a whim.
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read this back to yourself in a mirror and then ask yourself: "why do people on the browns board call me a johnny football fag?"
btw. gumboner76, funniest username ever.
Hey look, you want to call everyone fag and shit like that, fine. I don't care. I've watched a LOT of football in my life, I'd hazard more than just about anybody on this board unless you've ever been involved in football professionally. I've watched a lot of current starting NFL qbs from high school and through college. If they played football in Texas, then chances are I've been watching them since they were Juniors in high school. Johnny is the best I've ever seen. He's better than Tannehill, he's better than RG3, better than Drew Brees, better than Sam Bradford, and he's damn sure better than Brian Hoyer. I follow Johnny because he is that much fun to watch and he is that amazing. I hope that you guys as fans get to experience it, but to be honest, the way some of you act I don't think you deserve the joy he can bring you watching him play football. He will play harder than anybody else on your team if he is given the chance. You don't have a player that wants to win more than he does. It's pretty awesome to watch. But you bitter guys that call him "mini-me" and shit like that makes me hope you trade him to a franchise with a fanbase that respects what he has already accomplished, which is more than pretty much anybody on your team at this point.
I see you compare him to somebody like Wheedon or Colt McCoy and it makes me laugh. Colt McCoy couldn't make it one quarter against Alabama without getting hurt and pulling himself out the game. Johnny separated his shoulder against Auburn and missed one series. Neither Colt nor Wheedon won a Heisman as a freshman. If you'd watched those guys play in college you'd know how much Johnny outclasses either one of those guys. You should compare Johnny to guys like Hershel Walker or Adrian Peterson, guys who came close to winning Heismen as freshman, but nobody does that because he's 5'11" instead of 6'3".
You say you watched highlights and all he did was throw it up to Mike Evans. Do yourself a favor and go on youtube and watch a game. There are literally hundreds of plays by Manziel that don't make the highlight reels because, basically, you cannot include all the amazing plays and keep the highlights short enough for anybody to reasonably watch. The guy is an amazing passer, and anybody that actually watches him play realizes that.
This coaching staff may go with Hoyer, and I know a lot of people want Hoyer to start and Johnny to come off the bench if he struggles. My problem with that is that you are basically giving up any chance to make the playoffs or make a run in the playoffs if you do that. I really believe you have a chance to make a deep run in the playoffs if you start Johnny game one and let him start getting experience. I know you'll think this is crazy, but it wouldn't surprise me if you won the Superbowl with him his first year, if the coaching staff invests in him and gives him a chance.
But you bitter guys that call him "mini-me" and shit like that makes me hope you trade him to a franchise with a fanbase that respects what he has already accomplished, which is more than pretty much anybody on your team at this point.
I see you compare him to somebody like Wheedon or Colt McCoy and it makes me laugh.
You say you watched highlights and all he did was throw it up to Mike Evans.
you directed this post at me.
ok buttbongo show me anywhere in any post on this board where i said any of that. i dare you. i'll bet you right now you won't find it cuz it didn't happen, so you and all your other fuckin friends who like putting words in people's mouths need to stop your shit. cuz you look like a fool.
fool.
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Zombo said:
1. He's 5'11, throws from 3/4 (unlike equally small Bree's and Wilson who throw over top) and a big part of his game is taking off and running, and NFL defenders are lethal ... Take the best defender of an SEC team, give him NFL experience, and then times him by 11.
2. He was drafted 22. So 21 times a team said " um ... Yeah ... No thanks." And Browns fans in particular have swallowed bitter late first round pills.
1. Manziel has yet to take a pass in a real live NFL game and you're already saying he can't throw like Brees or Wilson in the NFL????
2. Way to bring up Brees who went 33 overall so 32 times a team said "um....yeah.... No thanks"
Russell Wilson? 66 or 67 times a team said "um....yeah....no thanks".
I appreciate your takes but this was just lazy, sloppy writing on a whim.
1. Manziel has yet to take a pass in a real live NFL game and you're already saying he can't throw like Brees or Wilson in the NFL????
2. Way to bring up Brees who went 33 overall so 32 times a team said "um....yeah.... No thanks"
Russell Wilson? 66 or 67 times a team said "um....yeah....no thanks".
I appreciate your takes but this was just lazy, sloppy writing on a whim.
this coming from a hollywood reject.
too bad you didn't land that role as the lead in that snuff film.
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1. Manziel has yet to take a pass in a real live NFL game and you're already saying he can't throw like Brees or Wilson in the NFL????
2. Way to bring up Brees who went 33 overall so 32 times a team said "um....yeah.... No thanks"
Russell Wilson? 66 or 67 times a team said "um....yeah....no thanks".
I appreciate your takes but this was just lazy, sloppy writing on a whim.
this coming from a hollywood reject.
too bad you didn't land that role as the lead in that snuff film.
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Zombo said:
1. He's 5'11, throws from 3/4 (unlike equally small Bree's and Wilson who throw over top) and a big part of his game is taking off and running, and NFL defenders are lethal ... Take the best defender of an SEC team, give him NFL experience, and then times him by 11.
2. He was drafted 22. So 21 times a team said " um ... Yeah ... No thanks." And Browns fans in particular have swallowed bitter late first round pills.
1. Manziel has yet to take a pass in a real live NFL game and you're already saying he can't throw like Brees or Wilson in the NFL????
2. Way to bring up Brees who went 33 overall so 32 times a team said "um....yeah.... No thanks"
Russell Wilson? 66 or 67 times a team said "um....yeah....no thanks".
I appreciate your takes but this was just lazy, sloppy writing on a whim.
Walter, I understand you aren't too bright, maybe that explains the acting thing.1. Manziel has yet to take a pass in a real live NFL game and you're already saying he can't throw like Brees or Wilson in the NFL????
2. Way to bring up Brees who went 33 overall so 32 times a team said "um....yeah.... No thanks"
Russell Wilson? 66 or 67 times a team said "um....yeah....no thanks".
I appreciate your takes but this was just lazy, sloppy writing on a whim.
But what I was saying was that the two Exceptions who are small guys that have succeeded in the current NFL have more pro style throwing motions and less dependency on making plays with their feet.
I believe in Johnny. But forgive those that don't ... Because they haven't seen anything like him in a long time (Tarkenton).
Z
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But you bitter guys that call him "mini-me" and shit like that makes me hope you trade him to a franchise with a fanbase that respects what he has already accomplished, which is more than pretty much anybody on your team at this point.
I see you compare him to somebody like Wheedon or Colt McCoy and it makes me laugh.
You say you watched highlights and all he did was throw it up to Mike Evans.
you directed this post at me.
ok buttbongo show me anywhere in any post on this board where i said any of that. i dare you. i'll bet you right now you won't find it cuz it didn't happen, so you and all your other fuckin friends who like putting words in people's mouths need to stop your shit. cuz you look like a fool.
fool.
you directed this post at me.
ok buttbongo show me anywhere in any post on this board where i said any of that. i dare you. i'll bet you right now you won't find it cuz it didn't happen, so you and all your other fuckin friends who like putting words in people's mouths need to stop your shit. cuz you look like a fool.
fool.
seriously man, are you twelve years old?
I directed that post at you because you are the guy who quoted me and called me "gay" for Johnny, or whatever. I used "you" in the general term meaning your and your five or six buddies on here that you tailgate with and apparently swap fart jokes with and call each other homos. If you didn't say any of those things, then I apologize. Maybe grow the fuck up and start talking a like an adult about this stuff and I will not lump you in with the other meatheads on this forum.
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Johnny is a a college football legend.
I had him rated the best QB in the draft; ahead of Bortles and Bridgewater ... And I will stand by that.
But you have to understand a couple things:
1. He's 5'11, throws from 3/4 (unlike equally small Bree's and Wilson who throw over top) and a big part of his game is taking off and running, and NFL defenders are lethal ... Take the best defender of an SEC team, give him NFL experience, and then times him by 11.
2. He was drafted 22. So 21 times a team said " um ... Yeah ... No thanks." And Browns fans in particular have swallowed bitter late first round pills.
So, don't just be patient with JFF ... Be patient with Browns fans.
This is the NFL ... Where college legends meet their mortality.
Just let it play out. And don't be a homo.
Z
Zombo said:
Johnny is a a college football legend.
I had him rated the best QB in the draft; ahead of Bortles and Bridgewater ... And I will stand by that.
But you have to understand a couple things:
1. He's 5'11, throws from 3/4 (unlike equally small Bree's and Wilson who throw over top) and a big part of his game is taking off and running, and NFL defenders are lethal ... Take the best defender of an SEC team, give him NFL experience, and then times him by 11.
2. He was drafted 22. So 21 times a team said " um ... Yeah ... No thanks." And Browns fans in particular have swallowed bitter late first round pills.
So, don't just be patient with JFF ... Be patient with Browns fans.
This is the NFL ... Where college legends meet their mortality.
Just let it play out. And don't be a homo.
Z
come on, you mention Brees and Wilson who were both drafted significantly behind Johnny. Instead of focusing on why Johnny was drafted 22, maybe you should ask yourself why Johnny is the shortest qb drafted in the first round in over 60 years.
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read this back to yourself in a mirror and then ask yourself: "why do people on the browns board call me a johnny football fag?"
btw. gumboner76, funniest username ever.
Hey look, you want to call everyone fag and shit like that, fine. I don't care. I've watched a LOT of football in my life, I'd hazard more than just about anybody on this board unless you've ever been involved in football professionally. I've watched a lot of current starting NFL qbs from high school and through college. If they played football in Texas, then chances are I've been watching them since they were Juniors in high school. Johnny is the best I've ever seen. He's better than Tannehill, he's better than RG3, better than Drew Brees, better than Sam Bradford, and he's damn sure better than Brian Hoyer. I follow Johnny because he is that much fun to watch and he is that amazing. I hope that you guys as fans get to experience it, but to be honest, the way some of you act I don't think you deserve the joy he can bring you watching him play football. He will play harder than anybody else on your team if he is given the chance. You don't have a player that wants to win more than he does. It's pretty awesome to watch. But you bitter guys that call him "mini-me" and shit like that makes me hope you trade him to a franchise with a fanbase that respects what he has already accomplished, which is more than pretty much anybody on your team at this point.
I see you compare him to somebody like Wheedon or Colt McCoy and it makes me laugh. Colt McCoy couldn't make it one quarter against Alabama without getting hurt and pulling himself out the game. Johnny separated his shoulder against Auburn and missed one series. Neither Colt nor Wheedon won a Heisman as a freshman. If you'd watched those guys play in college you'd know how much Johnny outclasses either one of those guys. You should compare Johnny to guys like Hershel Walker or Adrian Peterson, guys who came close to winning Heismen as freshman, but nobody does that because he's 5'11" instead of 6'3".
You say you watched highlights and all he did was throw it up to Mike Evans. Do yourself a favor and go on youtube and watch a game. There are literally hundreds of plays by Manziel that don't make the highlight reels because, basically, you cannot include all the amazing plays and keep the highlights short enough for anybody to reasonably watch. The guy is an amazing passer, and anybody that actually watches him play realizes that.
This coaching staff may go with Hoyer, and I know a lot of people want Hoyer to start and Johnny to come off the bench if he struggles. My problem with that is that you are basically giving up any chance to make the playoffs or make a run in the playoffs if you do that. I really believe you have a chance to make a deep run in the playoffs if you start Johnny game one and let him start getting experience. I know you'll think this is crazy, but it wouldn't surprise me if you won the Superbowl with him his first year, if the coaching staff invests in him and gives him a chance.
Hey look, you want to call everyone fag and shit like that, fine. I don't care. I've watched a LOT of football in my life, I'd hazard more than just about anybody on this board unless you've ever been involved in football professionally. I've watched a lot of current starting NFL qbs from high school and through college. If they played football in Texas, then chances are I've been watching them since they were Juniors in high school. Johnny is the best I've ever seen. He's better than Tannehill, he's better than RG3, better than Drew Brees, better than Sam Bradford, and he's damn sure better than Brian Hoyer. I follow Johnny because he is that much fun to watch and he is that amazing. I hope that you guys as fans get to experience it, but to be honest, the way some of you act I don't think you deserve the joy he can bring you watching him play football. He will play harder than anybody else on your team if he is given the chance. You don't have a player that wants to win more than he does. It's pretty awesome to watch. But you bitter guys that call him "mini-me" and shit like that makes me hope you trade him to a franchise with a fanbase that respects what he has already accomplished, which is more than pretty much anybody on your team at this point.
Joe Thomas- exception #1, Joe Haden, exception #2. If Gordon can lay off the weed, he broke a bunch of NFL-not COLLEGE records last year, if you're paying attention.
Yup, that's what you don't get. What he's already accomplished? I really don't give a crap about what "he's already accomplished", it's about what he can accomplish as a NFL quarterback. If you're an A&M fan, great, live in the past with those memories of greatness. By that standard, we should respect Heisman mega-busts like Danny Wuerful and Eric Crouch. I saw Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkinson (you'll find out there's a ton of Ohio State Homers on this board) turn into "Big Dud-dy" in the NFL. Archie Griffin won two Heismans- and did about zero in the NFL. Who can ever forget the hype of Brian Bosworth- until Bo Jackson literally ran him over like a freight train in the NFL? Or the Immortal Tony Mandarich? Yeah- Bango. JFF is going to be different- you're sure. Too bad some of us have to see actual proof of that. And if he does- wonderful- JF wins a Super Bowl or two, Johnny will be the #1 name for boys & girls in Cleveland, and he'll get a couple of streets named after him. Should he flop, the Cleveland Tar & Feather run him out of town on a rail crew- is available 24\7 just want to tell you how it is on the North Shore.
1. Manziel has yet to take a pass in a real live NFL game and you're already saying he can't throw like Brees or Wilson in the NFL????
2. Way to bring up Brees who went 33 overall so 32 times a team said "um....yeah.... No thanks"
Russell Wilson? 66 or 67 times a team said "um....yeah....no thanks".
I appreciate your takes but this was just lazy, sloppy writing on a whim.
He was pointing out the 3\4 throwing motion Walter. It is a concern- even for guys who are 6'5" like Bernie Kosar.
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Zombo said:
Johnny is a a college football legend.
I had him rated the best QB in the draft; ahead of Bortles and Bridgewater ... And I will stand by that.
But you have to understand a couple things:
1. He's 5'11, throws from 3/4 (unlike equally small Bree's and Wilson who throw over top) and a big part of his game is taking off and running, and NFL defenders are lethal ... Take the best defender of an SEC team, give him NFL experience, and then times him by 11.
2. He was drafted 22. So 21 times a team said " um ... Yeah ... No thanks." And Browns fans in particular have swallowed bitter late first round pills.
So, don't just be patient with JFF ... Be patient with Browns fans.
This is the NFL ... Where college legends meet their mortality.
Just let it play out. And don't be a homo.
Z
come on, you mention Brees and Wilson who were both drafted significantly behind Johnny. Instead of focusing on why Johnny was drafted 22, maybe you should ask yourself why Johnny is the shortest qb drafted in the first round in over 60 years.
come on, you mention Brees and Wilson who were both drafted significantly behind Johnny. Instead of focusing on why Johnny was drafted 22, maybe you should ask yourself why Johnny is the shortest qb drafted in the first round in over 60 years.
Maybe you should ask yourself why you get boners when you watch wrestling.
You Manzealots are fools.
I am a Johnny believer. Trying to explain to you why others may have doubts.
I also love the Justin Gilbert pick. But if I said "his tackling ability at the NFL level has been questioned by some" no one is going to ride in wearing leather chaps and a "I love Justin" wife beater screaming how wrong I am to even throw doubt upon his abilities.
I am pro-Manziel. I think the other side is being reasonable in presenting their doubts. I didn't realize you actually had to suck Johnny's dick to like him as a football player. Sorry, but that kind of takes the fun out of it for me.
So we'll keep merging and deporting until we can get adult conversation back in here.
Z
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read this back to yourself in a mirror and then ask yourself: "why do people on the browns board call me a johnny football fag?"
btw. gumboner76, funniest username ever.
Hey look, you want to call everyone fag and shit like that, fine. I don't care. I've watched a LOT of football in my life, I'd hazard more than just about anybody on this board unless you've ever been involved in football professionally. I've watched a lot of current starting NFL qbs from high school and through college. If they played football in Texas, then chances are I've been watching them since they were Juniors in high school. Johnny is the best I've ever seen. He's better than Tannehill, he's better than RG3, better than Drew Brees, better than Sam Bradford, and he's damn sure better than Brian Hoyer. I follow Johnny because he is that much fun to watch and he is that amazing. I hope that you guys as fans get to experience it, but to be honest, the way some of you act I don't think you deserve the joy he can bring you watching him play football. He will play harder than anybody else on your team if he is given the chance. You don't have a player that wants to win more than he does. It's pretty awesome to watch. But you bitter guys that call him "mini-me" and shit like that makes me hope you trade him to a franchise with a fanbase that respects what he has already accomplished, which is more than pretty much anybody on your team at this point.
I see you compare him to somebody like Wheedon or Colt McCoy and it makes me laugh. Colt McCoy couldn't make it one quarter against Alabama without getting hurt and pulling himself out the game. Johnny separated his shoulder against Auburn and missed one series. Neither Colt nor Wheedon won a Heisman as a freshman. If you'd watched those guys play in college you'd know how much Johnny outclasses either one of those guys. You should compare Johnny to guys like Hershel Walker or Adrian Peterson, guys who came close to winning Heismen as freshman, but nobody does that because he's 5'11" instead of 6'3".
You say you watched highlights and all he did was throw it up to Mike Evans. Do yourself a favor and go on youtube and watch a game. There are literally hundreds of plays by Manziel that don't make the highlight reels because, basically, you cannot include all the amazing plays and keep the highlights short enough for anybody to reasonably watch. The guy is an amazing passer, and anybody that actually watches him play realizes that.
This coaching staff may go with Hoyer, and I know a lot of people want Hoyer to start and Johnny to come off the bench if he struggles. My problem with that is that you are basically giving up any chance to make the playoffs or make a run in the playoffs if you do that. I really believe you have a chance to make a deep run in the playoffs if you start Johnny game one and let him start getting experience. I know you'll think this is crazy, but it wouldn't surprise me if you won the Superbowl with him his first year, if the coaching staff invests in him and gives him a chance.
Hey look, you want to call everyone fag and shit like that, fine. I don't care. I've watched a LOT of football in my life, I'd hazard more than just about anybody on this board unless you've ever been involved in football professionally. I've watched a lot of current starting NFL qbs from high school and through college. If they played football in Texas, then chances are I've been watching them since they were Juniors in high school. Johnny is the best I've ever seen. He's better than Tannehill, he's better than RG3, better than Drew Brees, better than Sam Bradford, and he's damn sure better than Brian Hoyer. I follow Johnny because he is that much fun to watch and he is that amazing. I hope that you guys as fans get to experience it, but to be honest, the way some of you act I don't think you deserve the joy he can bring you watching him play football. He will play harder than anybody else on your team if he is given the chance. You don't have a player that wants to win more than he does. It's pretty awesome to watch. But you bitter guys that call him "mini-me" and shit like that makes me hope you trade him to a franchise with a fanbase that respects what he has already accomplished, which is more than pretty much anybody on your team at this point.
I see you compare him to somebody like Wheedon or Colt McCoy and it makes me laugh. Colt McCoy couldn't make it one quarter against Alabama without getting hurt and pulling himself out the game. Johnny separated his shoulder against Auburn and missed one series. Neither Colt nor Wheedon won a Heisman as a freshman. If you'd watched those guys play in college you'd know how much Johnny outclasses either one of those guys. You should compare Johnny to guys like Hershel Walker or Adrian Peterson, guys who came close to winning Heismen as freshman, but nobody does that because he's 5'11" instead of 6'3".
You say you watched highlights and all he did was throw it up to Mike Evans. Do yourself a favor and go on youtube and watch a game. There are literally hundreds of plays by Manziel that don't make the highlight reels because, basically, you cannot include all the amazing plays and keep the highlights short enough for anybody to reasonably watch. The guy is an amazing passer, and anybody that actually watches him play realizes that.
This coaching staff may go with Hoyer, and I know a lot of people want Hoyer to start and Johnny to come off the bench if he struggles. My problem with that is that you are basically giving up any chance to make the playoffs or make a run in the playoffs if you do that. I really believe you have a chance to make a deep run in the playoffs if you start Johnny game one and let him start getting experience. I know you'll think this is crazy, but it wouldn't surprise me if you won the Superbowl with him his first year, if the coaching staff invests in him and gives him a chance.
Homo alert! Did you need to wipe johhnys jizz off your fingers before you typed that novel?
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Respect what johnny has accomplished?
What would that be....exactly?
He played an average game against scrubs? Wow....so impressive.
Otherwise he hasn't accomplished anything yet....that matters....at the NFL level. Maybe if he learns to read a defense, he will get a shot sooner than later. Till then, he hasn't done shit besides look like a clueless rookie.
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you directed this post at me.
ok buttbongo show me anywhere in any post on this board where i said any of that. i dare you. i'll bet you right now you won't find it cuz it didn't happen, so you and all your other fuckin friends who like putting words in people's mouths need to stop your shit. cuz you look like a fool.
fool.
seriously man, are you twelve years old?
I directed that post at you because you are the guy who quoted me and called me "gay" for Johnny, or whatever. I used "you" in the general term meaning your and your five or six buddies on here that you tailgate with and apparently swap fart jokes with and call each other homos. If you didn't say any of those things, then I apologize. Maybe grow the fuck up and start talking a like an adult about this stuff and I will not lump you in with the other meatheads on this forum.
seriously man, are you twelve years old?
I directed that post at you because you are the guy who quoted me and called me "gay" for Johnny, or whatever. I used "you" in the general term meaning your and your five or six buddies on here that you tailgate with and apparently swap fart jokes with and call each other homos. If you didn't say any of those things, then I apologize. Maybe grow the fuck up and start talking a like an adult about this stuff and I will not lump you in with the other meatheads on this forum.
yeah, i guess you can't tell what one's about by looking at what they have written for all to see on the internet.
don't start slinging the 'adult' card around when, instead of coming on here and acting like an adult, you came on here with no introduction and just started slamming anyone who doesn't have the same opinion that you have of manziel.
btw, i've never met any of these guys in person, but i do plan to one day, hopefully at this year's browns board tailgate. and i hope i'll get to meet you and some of your brethren there as well. as far as telling fart jokes with other meatheads (?), hey why not? i'd rather be some 53 year old man with the heart and mind of a 24 year old than some old bitter guy (via walter white) or some young twitty punk.
this is the big boy league here. we can talk however you want. i find it much more fun to play at a level everyone understands. you know:
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Lol....is this man boi fetish you tools have with scrambles acting like an adult?
Is making emotional value judgments while side stepping facts acting like an adult?
Teenage girls base decisions on emotion. Seems to me the "haters" are simply waiting for the Lil guy to actually prove the hype true before we don the knee pads and go all heather on scrambles. You...the teenage girls...are convinced he loves you and immediately begin training your gag reflex.
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