Pettine might wait another game to name starter.
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I look at who would be the biggest risk of turning the ball over. Johnny Foosball is that risk. Twice last night he had passes that could have been seen as pick 6's.
Hoyer has more game experience, seen the complexities of the NFL and provides the best chance to win. No rookie is walking in front of a Dick Lebeau defense with a penchant for scrambling then living to talk about it.
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Hoyer should Start without having to look over his shoulder prematurly. (Which he has been doing from the start of camp). Take away all the dropped passes by WRs for both QBs and this "compitition" isnt even close. I watch Redskins 2nd string wrs do 360's on the dead run to catch a ball thrown way behind them, as well as the ones that hit them in the numbers.
When Hoyer came in the second time last night after the 2nd pick. He hit Gordon in stride in the numbers with one guy to beat for a TD or at least to be on the doorstep. (Dropped) And then Hawkins drops an easy TD pass. And dont give me shit about it was behind him. Thats a Fucking Loser Statement. That throw was only where he could caught it we paid him decent money to make those catches. ( Every throw isnt going to be on a TEE)
Hoyers inaccuarcies are less than that of JF and thats just a fact.
Hoyer should Start without having to look over his shoulder prematurly. (Which he has been doing from the start of camp). Take away all the dropped passes by WRs for both QBs and this "compitition" isnt even close. I watch Redskins 2nd string wrs do 360's on the dead run to catch a ball thrown way behind them, as well as the ones that hit them in the numbers.
When Hoyer came in the second time last night after the 2nd pick. He hit Gordon in stride in the numbers with one guy to beat for a TD or at least to be on the doorstep. (Dropped) And then Hawkins drops an easy TD pass. And dont give me shit about it was behind him. Thats a Fucking Loser Statement. That throw was only where he could caught it we paid him decent money to make those catches. ( Every throw isnt going to be on a TEE)
Hoyers inaccuarcies are less than that of JF and thats just a fact.
all i've heard is how hoyer has 6 years under his belt, hoyer was starting last year..., hoyer should start this year....blah blah blah.....hoyer stunk up the joint last night.....stunk the first game too.....and he's had all the advantages that go with getting most of the first team reps.....hoyer has proven he isn't up to it.....and that's just a fact...!!!
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anyone else think that maybe pettine isn't up to the job...all he knows is defense....that's probably where he belongs....not head coach......he basically got the job because no one else wanted it.....
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Delaying a choice until next week is delaying a starter from getting reps and building a much needed rhythm regardless of the choice..
While they both stunk it up last night manziel thusfar has performed very slightly better with far fewer reps with the first team throughout training camp..
I am of the opinion pettine should give johnny finger the start, imo neither of them have earned the job but johnny finger has managed to catch up and has slightly better game stats showing that he will likely bypass hometown hoyers abilities when given all the first reps..
The worst thing that happens in this scenario is johnny rook cant get it done/gets hurt and hoyer the 6 year veteran backup takes over doing what he has always done..
If brian gets the nod and then gets hurt we would be back to square one with johnny rook not having enough work with the ones to have a rhythm possibly losing even more games..
This has become my opinion as well. Not that it means anythingDelaying a choice until next week is delaying a starter from getting reps and building a much needed rhythm regardless of the choice..
While they both stunk it up last night manziel thusfar has performed very slightly better with far fewer reps with the first team throughout training camp..
I am of the opinion pettine should give johnny finger the start, imo neither of them have earned the job but johnny finger has managed to catch up and has slightly better game stats showing that he will likely bypass hometown hoyers abilities when given all the first reps..
The worst thing that happens in this scenario is johnny rook cant get it done/gets hurt and hoyer the 6 year veteran backup takes over doing what he has always done..
If brian gets the nod and then gets hurt we would be back to square one with johnny rook not having enough work with the ones to have a rhythm possibly losing even more games..
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To see if he is the future. If the kid is going to get hurt it doesn't matter if it's week one or year two@douche-nozzle said:
The bottom line is two fold:
1. Hoyer was the starter at the end of last year and at the beginning of this year. It was Manziel's job to take it away and he didn't do that.
2. The Browns aren't going to win in Pittsburgh barring a fluke so why put Manziel in that situation if he is indeed the future?
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based on hoyer's performance so far, i'd start grossman and let johnny continue to learn the offense.....hoyer sucks....grossman knows how to play.....neither hoyer or manziel do...manziel might in another month or so.....let rex lead the team......trade hoyer....keep shaw.....
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jayjay that post is so gaygay....
why is everybody pissing and moaning about the QB play when the WHOLE offense was out of synch
O lines alone usually take a while to gel...
so just chill
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The offensive line sucked for both QB's in pass protection.
The receivers sucked.
Every QB sucked except for Shaw.
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After last night debacle, it was really hard to even think we are close to being a good team. Our Defense did ok, but will throw in the towel with no support. Last nights game for our offense was so damn bad, horrible throws, could be from timing issues, but i dont think a 10 yards pass is 2 hard to make. I am so tired of hearing from other people how bad we always look, and its pretty damn hard to defend it. I know its preseason and all that jazz, I just hope they get their shit together.
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The thing that troubles me the most is the lack of effort, passion, and fire.
Without those things, you're totally FUCKED.
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Start johnny football. Remember how russel wilsons struggled almost his entire rookie season, if we have to go through that go through it. We drafted him in the 1st round so lets get him all the experience. Throw him in the fire vs pittsburgh
Russell Wilson has brains , something that Manziel is missing which is why he can never be compared to Russell.
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@douche-nozzle said:
The bottom line is two fold:
1. Hoyer was the starter at the end of last year and at the beginning of this year. It was Manziel's job to take it away and he didn't do that.
2. The Browns aren't going to win in Pittsburgh barring a fluke so why put Manziel in that situation if he is indeed the future?
1. It wasn't Hoyer's job to lose. It was a job for either of them to win. At this point, they are both equally in the weeds. Trade the guy who gives you the most value and start the other. Then use one of the two first round picks next year (or package them to move up) and take the top-rated QB in next year's draft. The top three prospects next season are all better physical prospects than Johnny, they have the same athletic playmaking ability, and they are all less of a media distraction. (Not that I give a shit about that at all.)
2. That's funny.
Johnny's purpose was to put the spotlight on Cleveland. He did that, in great fashion. To me...he's grown out of his usefulness.
Say we trade him for a first round pick, we take a QB with that pick, and Johnny goes on to have a great NFL career. Even if the QB we get from his pick ends up being less of an influential player, Johnny will still have helped the team in great fashion because he'll have also allowed us to take two other great first round players.
To be clear, I don't expect any of that to happen...I'm just saying that's what I would do if this were Madden and I were running the Browns.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Pettine made a rookie coaching mistake by announcing he'd pick a starter after this game. Pointless to promise that.
Not the first mistake he's made, but he's a rookie HC, hopefully he will learn from this experience.
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@douche-nozzle said:
The bottom line is two fold:
1. Hoyer was the starter at the end of last year and at the beginning of this year. It was Manziel's job to take it away and he didn't do that.
2. The Browns aren't going to win in Pittsburgh barring a fluke so why put Manziel in that situation if he is indeed the future?
1. It wasn't Hoyer's job to lose. It was a job for either of them to win. At this point, they are both equally in the weeds. Trade the guy who gives you the most value and start the other. Then use one of the two first round picks next year (or package them to move up) and take the top-rated QB in next year's draft. The top three prospects next season are all better physical prospects than Johnny, they have the same athletic playmaking ability, and they are all less of a media distraction. (Not that I give a shit about that at all.)
2. That's funny.
Johnny's purpose was to put the spotlight on Cleveland. He did that, in great fashion. To me...he's grown out of his usefulness.
Say we trade him for a first round pick, we take a QB with that pick, and Johnny goes on to have a great NFL career. Even if the QB we get from his pick ends up being less of an influential player, Johnny will still have helped the team in great fashion because he'll have also allowed us to take two other great first round players.
To be clear, I don't expect any of that to happen...I'm just saying that's what I would do if this were Madden and I were running the Browns.
1. It wasn't Hoyer's job to lose. It was a job for either of them to win. At this point, they are both equally in the weeds. Trade the guy who gives you the most value and start the other. Then use one of the two first round picks next year (or package them to move up) and take the top-rated QB in next year's draft. The top three prospects next season are all better physical prospects than Johnny, they have the same athletic playmaking ability, and they are all less of a media distraction. (Not that I give a shit about that at all.)
2. That's funny.
Johnny's purpose was to put the spotlight on Cleveland. He did that, in great fashion. To me...he's grown out of his usefulness.
Say we trade him for a first round pick, we take a QB with that pick, and Johnny goes on to have a great NFL career. Even if the QB we get from his pick ends up being less of an influential player, Johnny will still have helped the team in great fashion because he'll have also allowed us to take two other great first round players.
To be clear, I don't expect any of that to happen...I'm just saying that's what I would do if this were Madden and I were running the Browns.
I would shit bricks of joy if we could get a first round pick for him now. If we could send him and a throw in to the Texans for Andre Johnson and a first Id need a paramedic to bring me back from my stroke.
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@douche-nozzle said:
The bottom line is two fold:
1. Hoyer was the starter at the end of last year and at the beginning of this year. It was Manziel's job to take it away and he didn't do that.
2. The Browns aren't going to win in Pittsburgh barring a fluke so why put Manziel in that situation if he is indeed the future?
1. It wasn't Hoyer's job to lose. It was a job for either of them to win. At this point, they are both equally in the weeds. Trade the guy who gives you the most value and start the other. Then use one of the two first round picks next year (or package them to move up) and take the top-rated QB in next year's draft. The top three prospects next season are all better physical prospects than Johnny, they have the same athletic playmaking ability, and they are all less of a media distraction. (Not that I give a shit about that at all.)
2. That's funny.
Johnny's purpose was to put the spotlight on Cleveland. He did that, in great fashion. To me...he's grown out of his usefulness.
Say we trade him for a first round pick, we take a QB with that pick, and Johnny goes on to have a great NFL career. Even if the QB we get from his pick ends up being less of an influential player, Johnny will still have helped the team in great fashion because he'll have also allowed us to take two other great first round players.
To be clear, I don't expect any of that to happen...I'm just saying that's what I would do if this were Madden and I were running the Browns.
@douche-nozzle said:
1. It wasn't Hoyer's job to lose. It was a job for either of them to win. At this point, they are both equally in the weeds. Trade the guy who gives you the most value and start the other. Then use one of the two first round picks next year (or package them to move up) and take the top-rated QB in next year's draft. The top three prospects next season are all better physical prospects than Johnny, they have the same athletic playmaking ability, and they are all less of a media distraction. (Not that I give a shit about that at all.)
2. That's funny. Funny ha ha or funny queer? Either way it's the simple truth.
Johnny's purpose was to put the spotlight on Cleveland. He did that, in great fashion. To me...he's grown out of his usefulness. Do you enjoy the Browns being on every sports TV and radio show as the dysfunctional organization who can't seem to do anything right? Is that the spotlight you want?
Say we trade him for a first round pick, we take a QB with that pick, and Johnny goes on to have a great NFL career. Even if the QB we get from his pick ends up being less of an influential player, Johnny will still have helped the team in great fashion because he'll have also allowed us to take two other great first round players. I doubt pretty seriously if you could get a second round pick for him.
To be clear, I don't expect any of that to happen...I'm just saying that's what I would do if this were Madden and I were running the Browns.
I don't think our inept offense will have any troubles with your ancient and decrepit defense. Nor do I expect to have your
There's no such thing as bad media. Whether people are shittalking the Browns or singing their praises, they're still talking about them. That's why they sold out of season tickets in 30 minutes, that's why their first preseason game broke NFL records, that's why every home game is already nearly (and will be) sold out, and that's why Cleveland will beat Pittsburgh in attendance figures.
Tell me, for a team that's so unparalleled and amazing, why did they finish 28th in the league in fan attendance percentage last year, sandwiched between St. Louis and Jacksonville?
Oh, that's right. It's because your fanbase is 95% poor dumpster trash bandwagoners.
But please, continue to spew out your opinions like they are fact. The rest of us will just use facts like they're facts.
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Hoyer is nothing special either just throw manziel to the fire.
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Hoyer is 5 seasons in and if he was any good he should be tearing up the preseason like a beast. Let manziel get going with the ones, he played 2 games and it isn't clear hoyer is better, than manziel should get the job.
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I feel like l've been brow beaten to the point that l don't care who it is, but l agree they gotta pick a guy and they gotta do it now.
Let whoever it is get lots and lots and lots of work from now until the season starts.
That was my biggest concern going into this season was too much newness happening with the offense. Recipe for a slow start.
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They both suck
so why does it matter
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Can I get an analysis of the first play? What happened exactly? It looks like the ball was snapped by Mack before it should have been. It caught Hoyer and Swartz off-guard. Whatever did occur, if I'm Pettine, I'd be royally pissed by the lack of execution and coordination on the first play. I'd also be pissed at receivers for dropped balls (a problem all pre-season) and with both QB's throws as they were behind, too low, completely off target or lacking a tight spiral. Ask anyone who's played the game, a wobbly pass is 10X harder to catch, especially if it's a hard throw.
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