Watkins was a no brainer.
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i agree BUT
gilbert
manziel
bitonio
kirksey
who's left in the 4th that woulda been a game changer?
they had to ride out one crack in the foundation. now they know where they stand with gordon. wouldn't be surprised if farmer waited until the 2-3 round next year considering the bust average on top ten WR picks.
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The trade down is ONLY good if Gilbert and our acquired Buffalo pick in 2015 pan out.
If they know they were going to be without Gordon for the year, and not a blow away WR prospect in 2015 why not just draft Watkins for ourselves?
ALSO - if the new NFL rules are WAY TOUGHER on defenses and playing pass defense then why not draft the fast athletic WR instead of the fast athletic DB?
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Probably because unless that rookie WR is Randy Moss or AJ Green, said rookie would not have impacted the potential win total on this team. Rookie WR's hardly ever do. I don't even think Detroit had a +win season following the drafting of Megatron.
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Probably because unless that rookie WR is Randy Moss or AJ Green, said rookie would not have impacted the potential win total on this team. Rookie WR's hardly ever do. I don't even think Detroit had a +win season following the drafting of Megatron.
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Sammy Watkins wont be a Dez Bryant/Calvin Johnson/Randy Moss Type Player
He will be good, no doubt.. but he wont be a franchise changing WR in the NFL (the type you give up 2 picks for)
He doesn't have those type of ball skills.
He's like Percy Harvin.. only bigger.. essentially a big Percy Harvin.. So a Percy Harvin that can play outside essentialy
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Based on...what? Injury history alone would favor Gilbert. But hey, I'm sure you have a huge pack of straws to grasp at.
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Based on...what? Injury history alone would favor Gilbert. But hey, I'm sure you have a huge pack of straws to grasp at.
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Calvin Johnson has won super bowls just like dez Bryant and AJ green and Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson and Brandon Marshall and josh Gordon.... Oh wait no josh Gordon didn't win the Super Bowl last year.... The browns went 4-12. If only tom Brady had an elite receiver, like randy moss, he would've won a Super Bowl by now. What a shame.
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Calvin Johnson has won super bowls just like dez Bryant and AJ green and Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson and Brandon Marshall and josh Gordon.... Oh wait no josh Gordon didn't win the Super Bowl last year.... The browns went 4-12. If only tom Brady had an elite receiver, like randy moss, he would've won a Super Bowl by now. What a shame.
Calvin Johnson has won super bowls just like dez Bryant and AJ green and Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson and Brandon Marshall and josh Gordon.... Oh wait no josh Gordon didn't win the Super Bowl last year.... The browns went 4-12. If only tom Brady had an elite receiver, like randy moss, he would've won a Super Bowl by now. What a shame.
gotta love truth when it is spoken.
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i agree BUT
gilbert
manziel
bitonio
kirksey
who's left in the 4th that woulda been a game changer?
they had to ride out one crack in the foundation. now they know where they stand with gordon. wouldn't be surprised if farmer waited until the 2-3 round next year considering the bust average on top ten WR picks.
i agree BUT
gilbert
manziel
bitonio
kirksey
who's left in the 4th that woulda been a game changer?
they had to ride out one crack in the foundation. now they know where they stand with gordon. wouldn't be surprised if farmer waited until the 2-3 round next year considering the bust average on top ten WR picks.
Gilbert
Benjamin
Bitonio
Kirksey
OR
Bortles
Bitonio
Kirksey
Shaq Evans
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shoulda woulda coulda.
don't blow the bortles horn just yet even though i agreed with you then that he was the best of the class right next to carr and garoffallo.
evans will be the best rookie receiver, just ask manziel why.
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With Gordon's career up in a cloud of smoke, we didn't address the receiver position and should have just drafted Sammy Watkins.
I just hope this isn't another trade down like passing on Julio Jones for average players.
We are literally fucked.
With Gordon's career up in a cloud of smoke, we didn't address the receiver position and should have just drafted Sammy Watkins.
I just hope this isn't another trade down like passing on Julio Jones for average players.
We are literally fucked.
So was Braylon Edwards, taken at #3 overall. So, nothing is a no brainer. We really don't know if Watkins is going to be Calvin Johnson.....or Charles Rogers.
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The trade down is ONLY good if Gilbert and our acquired Buffalo pick in 2015 pan out.
If they know they were going to be without Gordon for the year, and not a blow away WR prospect in 2015 why not just draft Watkins for ourselves?
ALSO - if the new NFL rules are WAY TOUGHER on defenses and playing pass defense then why not draft the fast athletic WR instead of the fast athletic DB?
The trade down is ONLY good if Gilbert and our acquired Buffalo pick in 2015 pan out.
Or if Watkins doesn't pan out.
If they know they were going to be without Gordon for the year, and not a blow away WR prospect in 2015 why not just draft Watkins for ourselves?
ALSO - if the new NFL rules are WAY TOUGHER on defenses and playing pass defense then why not draft the fast athletic WR instead of the fast athletic DB?
Look, OK, its an argument. But it is water over the dam. We shoulda never traded Bobby Mitchell for Ernie Davis. Damn guy goes and dies on us.
We shoulda never traded Paul Warfield for Mike Phipps.
We got over those, you will get over this.
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shoulda woulda coulda.
don't blow the bortles horn just yet even though i agreed with you then that he was the best of the class right next to carr and garoffallo.
evans will be the best rookie receiver, just ask manziel why.
shoulda woulda coulda.
don't blow the bortles horn just yet even though i agreed with you then that he was the best of the class right next to carr and garoffallo.
evans will be the best rookie receiver, just ask manziel why.
I put the Bortles "mock" just to ruffle some feathers.
Overall, I was happy with our draft - even the Manziel trade. I think we addressed many needs and found solid players. However, and I'll say this until the day I die, I think Kelvin Benjamin would have been a great pickup in the late first. He's a player that we could have paired opposite Gordon, a la Marshall/Jeffery in Chicago, and he's also talented enough to be a #1 on his own.
Evans may be the best WR to come out of this draft, but Benjamin would have been a better fit for us and would have come at a better price.
Either way, the past is past and the future is now. We're in position to grab two solid starters in the first round next season. Depending on how things line up, those two could be big positions of need. We may be saying "Josh Gordon who?" by this time next year.
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This time next year when we are sitting there with two excellent high #1 rookies and a reformed JG, this whole thread will look foolish. (Hopefully).
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wide receiver needs to be in sync with his quarterback and has to be well versed in running his route it's something that comes with at least some time.
WSS
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This time next year when we are sitting there with two excellent high #1 rookies and a reformed JG, this whole thread will look foolish. (Hopefully).
This time next year when we are sitting there with two excellent high #1 rookies and a reformed JG, this whole thread will look foolish. (Hopefully).
We already had one excellent high rookie...and look where that has gotten us.
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Sammy Watkins wont be a Dez Bryant/Calvin Johnson/Randy Moss Type Player
He will be good, no doubt.. but he wont be a franchise changing WR in the NFL (the type you give up 2 picks for)
He doesn't have those type of ball skills.
He's like Percy Harvin.. only bigger.. essentially a big Percy Harvin.. So a Percy Harvin that can play outside essentialy
Sammy Watkins wont be a Dez Bryant/Calvin Johnson/Randy Moss Type Player
Nah... more Larry Fitzgerald-ish...
Were you serious when you said "no ball skills"?
Watkins is... fragile.
Fragile? Really? Missed 3 games in three years and he's fragile?
Evans may be the best WR to come out of this draft...
I think the new "emphasis" on contact reduces even the small chance I gave Evans of being a good WR...
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evans is so big, tall and physical that a college QB made his career out of tossing balls his way.
mccown will do the same. he's looked like a beast this preseason while watkins is somewhere shopping for car(s) and house(s).
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