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  • Seattle has just raised ticket prices again to the highest in the NFL a whopping 398 dollar average,

    Steelers 11th with 218 dollar average

    Browns, cheapest in the NFL, at 124 bucks average.

  • What percentage of the Browns' Gross Income is "the gate" these days?

  • IMO even if we become winners per say I dont think it will really effect our ticket prices, Being that our owners main source of income is not the NFL team in which he owns. I dont think we will see him try to gouge the fans. At least not in Cleveland. Blue collar pride seems to be a theme for him so I dont think we will ever see him charge white collar pricing

  • IMO even if we become winners per say I dont think it will really effect our ticket prices, Being that our owners main source of income is not the NFL team in which he owns. I dont think we will see him try to gouge the fans. At least not in Cleveland. Blue collar pride seems to be a theme for him so I dont think we will ever see him charge white collar pricing

    @sir-barksalot said:

    IMO even if we become winners per say I dont think it will really effect our ticket prices, Being that our owners main source of income is not the NFL team in which he owns. I dont think we will see him try to gouge the fans. At least not in Cleveland. Blue collar pride seems to be a theme for him so I dont think we will ever see him charge white collar pricing

    Agreed. Plus there's not enough people with that kind of money in Cleveland. It's best fans are the hard working blue collar people

  • @sir-barksalot said:

    IMO even if we become winners per say I dont think it will really effect our ticket prices, Being that our owners main source of income is not the NFL team in which he owns. I dont think we will see him try to gouge the fans. At least not in Cleveland. Blue collar pride seems to be a theme for him so I dont think we will ever see him charge white collar pricing

    Agreed. Plus there's not enough people with that kind of money in Cleveland. It's best fans are the hard working blue collar people

    @adoug319 said:

    Agreed. Plus there's not enough people with that kind of money in Cleveland. It's best fans are the hard working blue collar people

    Lol, you're being naive. Can tell you weren't a business major. If we see the Browns making a playoff run, you'll see he avg ticket price go up substantially. Above post didnt mention wheher those were avg from the organization or just in General. it's not necessarily the owner manipulating, the secondary market is where the big mark ups come from.

  • @adoug319 said:

    Agreed. Plus there's not enough people with that kind of money in Cleveland. It's best fans are the hard working blue collar people

    Lol, you're being naive. Can tell you weren't a business major. If we see the Browns making a playoff run, you'll see he avg ticket price go up substantially. Above post didnt mention wheher those were avg from the organization or just in General. it's not necessarily the owner manipulating, the secondary market is where the big mark ups come from.

    @cbus-brownie said:

    Lol, you're being naive. Can tell you weren't a business major. If we see the Browns making a playoff run, you'll see he avg ticket price go up substantially. Above post didnt mention wheher those were avg from the organization or just in General. it's not necessarily the owner manipulating, the secondary market is where the big mark ups come from.

    What major industry does cleveland have that is producing masses of rich folks?

    Seattle has the technology industry, so they can get away with 300 per ticket on avg.

  • I'm not saying they wouldn't go up, I'm just saying that even if they became perennial playoff contenders each year, ticket prices would still be somewhere in the middle of the pack

  • Seattle has just raised ticket prices again to the highest in the NFL a whopping 398 dollar average,

    Steelers 11th with 218 dollar average

    Browns, cheapest in the NFL, at 124 bucks average.

    @kvoethe said:

    Seattle has just raised ticket prices again to the highest in the NFL a whopping 398 dollar average,

    Steelers 11th with 218 dollar average

    Browns, cheapest in the NFL, at 124 bucks average.

    The Browns ever start winning- bet the ranch ticket prices will go up substantially My season tickets would cost about triple anywhere else.

    @adoug319 said:

    Agreed. Plus there's not enough people with that kind of money in Cleveland. It's best fans are the hard working blue collar people

    Sure there are- just wait and see.

    The NFLwon't care. Joe Sixpack long ago got the short end of the stick from the NFL. One look at the concession stand prices will tell you all you need to know. Wonder why people Tailgate, and have to stagger to their seats? First Energy beer price- $9.50. per beer. Twelve pack of Busch= same price. Some low budget fans may not be the smartest, but that equation doesn't entail advanced calculus to figure out.

    It's all about TV revenue, and sponsorship $$$$. When Annhauser-Busch told the NFL- we don't like the way you're handing the Peterson child abuse thing- and we might pull the megamillon exclusive right deal- the NFL asked them how high would you like us to jump?

  • @cbus-brownie said:

    Lol, you're being naive. Can tell you weren't a business major. If we see the Browns making a playoff run, you'll see he avg ticket price go up substantially. Above post didnt mention wheher those were avg from the organization or just in General. it's not necessarily the owner manipulating, the secondary market is where the big mark ups come from.

    What major industry does cleveland have that is producing masses of rich folks?

    Seattle has the technology industry, so they can get away with 300 per ticket on avg.

    @adoug319 said:

    What major industry does cleveland have that is producing masses of rich folks?

    Seattle has the technology industry, so they can get away with 300 per ticket on avg.

    Medical anymore and it's on the rise. You have any idea how many hospitals are being built right now?

    It's not producing tons of "rich" people but there's plenty of money being thrown around there

  • And how much does Detroit charge on average? I would look there to see where prices might go in Cleveland.

    Kvoethe-could you post your source?

  • Well you can gauge the ticket prices by how much they go up for the Cavs now that Lebron is back...they WILL go up.

    Plus if the team is winning people will pay whatever to see them. The owner will most assuredly use that.

  • @cbus-brownie said:

    Lol, you're being naive. Can tell you weren't a business major. If we see the Browns making a playoff run, you'll see he avg ticket price go up substantially. Above post didnt mention wheher those were avg from the organization or just in General. it's not necessarily the owner manipulating, the secondary market is where the big mark ups come from.

    What major industry does cleveland have that is producing masses of rich folks?

    Seattle has the technology industry, so they can get away with 300 per ticket on avg.

    @adoug319 said:

    What major industry does cleveland have that is producing masses of rich folks?

    Seattle has the technology industry, so they can get away with 300 per ticket on avg.

    Polymers.

  • And how much does Detroit charge on average? I would look there to see where prices might go in Cleveland.

    Kvoethe-could you post your source?

    @texasag1969 said:

    And how much does Detroit charge on average? I would look there to see where prices might go in Cleveland.

    Kvoethe-could you post your source?

    https://time.com/3387767/nfl-ticket-price/

    The articles main focus is the % increase since 2010 for all teams, Seattle having largest percent increase, and then shows current ticket averages.

    Detroit avg 150

  • Took some searching, but found an old Packers statement that actually details the franchise's income breakdown... in an Excel spreadsheet no less.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fanc.hh-pub.com%2FBrownEbook%2FGreen%2520Bay%2520Packers%2520Income%2520Statement.xls&ei=SoocVN7SMYqHyATd9oGYBQ&usg=AFQjCNEPa1OiyX0e69OxMMMy74whdltf0w

    Shows that Home Ticket sale are a reasonably minor part of their income (<15%). Same should be more or less true of every franchise.

    Bottom line: What happens to Browns ticket prices will reflect what return Jimmy wants on his investment.

    As for impact of Cleveland's economic status... minor consideration at best. Browns are a regional franchise and things like the shale gas revolution are factors as well. That plus a revived auto industry ought to be enough to crank a service economy's engine...

    Green Bay Packers

    Statements of Income

    For Years Ended March 31, 2008 through 2009

    OPERATING INCOME 2009

    Ticket & Media Income

    Home games (net)................................... $31,097,266

    Road games.... ........................................... 16,175,953

    Television and radio.................................... 94,484,631

    TOTAL TICKET AND MEDIA INCOME... $141,757,850

    Other Operating Income

    Private box income................... ...................... $12,827,613

    NFL Properties income (Other NFL Revenue) $36,458,755

    Expansion\revenue sharing income

    Marketing\Pro Shop (net) ................................. 43,717,750

    Atrium Revenue (Added 2004)

    Other - Local Media, Concessions and parking (net) 13,167,973

    TOTAL OTHER OPERATING INCOME ....... $106,172,091

    TOTAL OPERATING INCOME...................... $247,929,941

  • And how much does Detroit charge on average? I would look there to see where prices might go in Cleveland.

    Kvoethe-could you post your source?

    @texasag1969 said:

    And how much does Detroit charge on average? I would look there to see where prices might go in Cleveland.

    Kvoethe-could you post your source?

    when I went to Detroit parking around the stadium was 50 bucks