Joe Haden got smoked again
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Mingo has no football IQ.
HE might be a freak athelete, but if he has no idea where he's going or where he's supposed to be, that athletic ability means NOTHING
He might as well return punts. Oh wait we need on of those guys
and manziel should be a receiver.
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Haden very disappointing. Gilbert first round bust so far.
Haden very disappointing. Gilbert first round bust so far.
Gilbert- not impressive first three games = bust.
VesnaKociper said:
Haden is an average player. Average speed, size and skills. He is performing commensurate with his skills. I don't see that he is a disappointment. The only people disappointed in his performance are those who thought this was a REMENDOUS draft pick, and that Haden was a top prospect. He never was that, and it was only delusional Browns fans who thought he was going to be a shutdown type guy.
He's average. Like MOST of the Browns talent.
Until Cleveland takes advantage of it's first round picks and actually goes for the VERY TOP picks, their probability of drafting difference makers is not going to be very good. Yes, yes, I know, drafting the very best is expensive and risky, but look at the shit team we have from playing it " smart and conservative".
The Browns are a constipated team. It feels like bowell activity, your stomach is rumbling, you sit down to shit, you squeeze like a motherfucker, and alas.... it is all for not........ nothing happens.
Big Ben, Wadkins, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Luck, on and on it goes........... we draft FAKE top picks like Quinn, Richardson and Manziel and pretend that WE TOO ARE A HUNGRY organization. We aren't............ we just don't gamble on the best, and until the Browns DO start betting the farm on big play makers, we will remain a constipated team unable to win close games.
Haden was considered the top CB in his draft class. And he's only been to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, he sucks.
Phil Taylor over JJ Watt and Julio Jones LOL
Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden? Yikes.
Barkevious Mingo? Meh.
Justin Gilbert - Good god, retire you bum.
Johnny Manziel - Unknown.
This team needs to draft better
Most of those draft mistakes were from previous Front Office gaffes. Lets see how this year's crop works out- and it takes more than three damn games to evaluate it. Walter, you change your opinions on a weekly basis. You were giving Manziel blow jobs all preseaon- and now you're happy he's sitting.
Gilbert has elite measurables- I'd say you need to give him more than 3 NFL games to label him a "bust" or wasted draft pick.
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It just pisses me off how well Fuller, Roby, and Dennard are playing good and drafted after Gilbert.
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Haden very disappointing. Gilbert first round bust so far.
Gilbert- not impressive first three games = bust.
VesnaKociper said:
Haden is an average player. Average speed, size and skills. He is performing commensurate with his skills. I don't see that he is a disappointment. The only people disappointed in his performance are those who thought this was a REMENDOUS draft pick, and that Haden was a top prospect. He never was that, and it was only delusional Browns fans who thought he was going to be a shutdown type guy.
He's average. Like MOST of the Browns talent.
Until Cleveland takes advantage of it's first round picks and actually goes for the VERY TOP picks, their probability of drafting difference makers is not going to be very good. Yes, yes, I know, drafting the very best is expensive and risky, but look at the shit team we have from playing it " smart and conservative".
The Browns are a constipated team. It feels like bowell activity, your stomach is rumbling, you sit down to shit, you squeeze like a motherfucker, and alas.... it is all for not........ nothing happens.
Big Ben, Wadkins, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Luck, on and on it goes........... we draft FAKE top picks like Quinn, Richardson and Manziel and pretend that WE TOO ARE A HUNGRY organization. We aren't............ we just don't gamble on the best, and until the Browns DO start betting the farm on big play makers, we will remain a constipated team unable to win close games.
Haden was considered the top CB in his draft class. And he's only been to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, he sucks.
Phil Taylor over JJ Watt and Julio Jones LOL
Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden? Yikes.
Barkevious Mingo? Meh.
Justin Gilbert - Good god, retire you bum.
Johnny Manziel - Unknown.
This team needs to draft better
Most of those draft mistakes were from previous Front Office gaffes. Lets see how this year's crop works out- and it takes more than three damn games to evaluate it. Walter, you change your opinions on a weekly basis. You were giving Manziel blow jobs all preseaon- and now you're happy he's sitting.
Gilbert has elite measurables- I'd say you need to give him more than 3 NFL games to label him a "bust" or wasted draft pick.
Gilbert- not impressive first three games = bust.
Haden was considered the top CB in his draft class. And he's only been to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, he sucks.
Most of those draft mistakes were from previous Front Office gaffes. Lets see how this year's crop works out- and it takes more than three damn games to evaluate it. Walter, you change your opinions on a weekly basis. You were giving Manziel blow jobs all preseaon- and now you're happy he's sitting.
Gilbert has elite measurables- I'd say you need to give him more than 3 NFL games to label him a "bust" or wasted draft pick.
How many game sdo we need to see?
Mingo has been her 15 games, and he's a bust so far
Haden has 1 pass defended and no picks this year. And opposing QB's look for him. They sure as hell don't shy away from him
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Gilbert- not impressive first three games = bust.
Haden was considered the top CB in his draft class. And he's only been to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, he sucks.
Most of those draft mistakes were from previous Front Office gaffes. Lets see how this year's crop works out- and it takes more than three damn games to evaluate it. Walter, you change your opinions on a weekly basis. You were giving Manziel blow jobs all preseaon- and now you're happy he's sitting.
Gilbert has elite measurables- I'd say you need to give him more than 3 NFL games to label him a "bust" or wasted draft pick.
How many game sdo we need to see?
Mingo has been her 15 games, and he's a bust so far
Haden has 1 pass defended and no picks this year. And opposing QB's look for him. They sure as hell don't shy away from him
How many games do we need to see?
Mingo has been her 15 games, and he's a bust so far
Haden has 1 pass defended and no picks this year. And opposing QB's look for him. They sure as hell don't shy away from him
Go look up Mingo's stats against Jarvis Jones, and see if the Steelers are calling him a bust. Mingo has been hurt.
Haden gives up a big play and he's a bum too.Damn bunch of Debbie Downers.
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I think Pettine needs to take over the play calling duties from Jim O'neil. The opposing teams offense is always one step ahead, offensive coordinators are making him look amateur.
I think Pettine needs to take over the play calling duties from Jim O'neil. The opposing teams offense is always one step ahead, offensive coordinators are making him look amateur.
Thank you... finally another voice in the chorus.
Where's all the press coverage that I kept hearing about that the Browns were going to be playing this season? Gilbert was the best press corner in the draft and was selected as such because he fit Pettine's physical corner scheme.
Gilbert was in press when Tory Smith beat him off the line and Gilbert got the PI flag for grabbing him by his helmet's forehead area. Still a work in progress...
The good news was that while Smith got a step on Gilbert he never added any distance to that lead. And this just in... Tory Smith is pretty damn fast.
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fuck you all, especially walter white who has become the board's new constant whiner bitch.
how long does it take an OL to gel? 1 game, 2? no, more like years.
you bring in a whole new staff with a whole new scheme and expect everyone to just play like all pros from the starting bell. GTFO.
if we would have won would we even be having this discussion? (i'm sure walter would have posted something negative though anyways).
look at all the 'good' teams right now and look at their games. someone on the other side is always getting burned or missed a coverage. haden is the worst? gilbert sucks cuz he's played what 8 qtrs in the nfl?
you fuckers can suck a dick. you know nothing about nothing. sit and whine and bitch and when things turn around and we start winning and the defense finally starts to play like a cohesive unit, i'm gonna come back on here and bury everyone of you ass lickers.
go root for the niners. opps wait, what is their record? fucking cunts.
fuck you all, especially walter white who has become the board's new constant whiner bitch.
how long does it take an OL to gel? 1 game, 2? no, more like years.
The O-line gelling is on-going... and it's showing progress...
Left the first line of a classic mik-rant in tact.
^ Ever since Haden got paid, he's been smoked like a bitch.
The depth of your analysis is mindboggling...
Do you have anything other than simplistic circumstantial "explanations" based upon hindsight? Not even well-aged hindsight at that, which is understandable since you have yet to hold an opinion over a month.
Remember how great Johnny was going to be? How Hoyer needed to step aside?
I've been saying, for years, Haden is average.
He is small, not fast, and not tough enough to be an elite CB
At 5'11 he's average height.
He's faster than most CBs in the league. Ran a 4.5+ at his combine, but 4.3/4.4 at pro day. What's real? Dunno....
But regardless the real issue I have is your saying he is not tough. He sticks his head in there when runs come his way. Has since day one...
It just pisses me off how well Fuller, Roby, and Dennard are playing good and drafted after Gilbert.
Everything pisses you off...
You really should fix that.
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fuck you all, especially walter white who has become the board's new constant whiner bitch.
how long does it take an OL to gel? 1 game, 2? no, more like years.
The O-line gelling is on-going... and it's showing progress...
Left the first line of a classic mik-rant in tact.
^ Ever since Haden got paid, he's been smoked like a bitch.
The depth of your analysis is mindboggling...
Do you have anything other than simplistic circumstantial "explanations" based upon hindsight? Not even well-aged hindsight at that, which is understandable since you have yet to hold an opinion over a month.
Remember how great Johnny was going to be? How Hoyer needed to step aside?
I've been saying, for years, Haden is average.
He is small, not fast, and not tough enough to be an elite CB
At 5'11 he's average height.
He's faster than most CBs in the league. Ran a 4.5+ at his combine, but 4.3/4.4 at pro day. What's real? Dunno....
But regardless the real issue I have is your saying he is not tough. He sticks his head in there when runs come his way. Has since day one...
It just pisses me off how well Fuller, Roby, and Dennard are playing good and drafted after Gilbert.
Everything pisses you off...
You really should fix that.
Everything pisses you off...
You really should fix that.
walter, a warm bath and a sharp blade = fixed.
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Ok well first off Haden only got "smoked" once and yes it was for a crucial play late in the game. but he shuts down number 1 WRs week in and week out no doubt there. and to hear he is an average player? really?? We had a melt down of global proportions. Gilbert's PI gave up a huge chunk of the field to the enemy..he didn't even play the ball he just panicked. two bad play calls that should have been runs to run the clock out instead were pass plays. missed field goals and a blocked one to boot...yea was not just one players fault. 6 point def. in 3 games??? cant say that about last years team. We beat the Saints? c'mon man...
Don't you wish you had taken the "Blue Pill"? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202829424159899&l=93ed4a6e53 -
walter, a warm bath and a sharp blade = fixed.
I really should not be laughing at that as hard as I am...
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Mik with some groundbreaking sharp as a whip comedy and Tour2ma with another cheer up moral victory analysis. Dopes.
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Mik with some groundbreaking sharp as a whip comedy and Tour2ma with another cheer up moral victory analysis. Dopes.
Mik with some groundbreaking sharp as a whip comedy and Tour2ma with another cheer up moral victory analysis. Dopes.
At least I perform an analysis rather than ramble on about my impulse of the minute.
And it's "sharp as a tack", Brainiac...
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walter is just pissed because he got looked over for the new role of 'gas station attendant' on a one episode appearance in housewives of east cleveland.
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Please 1 bar of soap may clean out Language in his Mouth also. Profanity not needed in EVERY post, Come on MAN!?!
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Haden very disappointing. Gilbert first round bust so far.
Gilbert- not impressive first three games = bust.
VesnaKociper said:
Haden is an average player. Average speed, size and skills. He is performing commensurate with his skills. I don't see that he is a disappointment. The only people disappointed in his performance are those who thought this was a REMENDOUS draft pick, and that Haden was a top prospect. He never was that, and it was only delusional Browns fans who thought he was going to be a shutdown type guy.
He's average. Like MOST of the Browns talent.
Until Cleveland takes advantage of it's first round picks and actually goes for the VERY TOP picks, their probability of drafting difference makers is not going to be very good. Yes, yes, I know, drafting the very best is expensive and risky, but look at the shit team we have from playing it " smart and conservative".
The Browns are a constipated team. It feels like bowell activity, your stomach is rumbling, you sit down to shit, you squeeze like a motherfucker, and alas.... it is all for not........ nothing happens.
Big Ben, Wadkins, AJ Green, Julio Jones, Luck, on and on it goes........... we draft FAKE top picks like Quinn, Richardson and Manziel and pretend that WE TOO ARE A HUNGRY organization. We aren't............ we just don't gamble on the best, and until the Browns DO start betting the farm on big play makers, we will remain a constipated team unable to win close games.
Haden was considered the top CB in his draft class. And he's only been to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, he sucks.
Phil Taylor over JJ Watt and Julio Jones LOL
Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden? Yikes.
Barkevious Mingo? Meh.
Justin Gilbert - Good god, retire you bum.
Johnny Manziel - Unknown.
This team needs to draft better
Most of those draft mistakes were from previous Front Office gaffes. Lets see how this year's crop works out- and it takes more than three damn games to evaluate it. Walter, you change your opinions on a weekly basis. You were giving Manziel blow jobs all preseaon- and now you're happy he's sitting.
Gilbert has elite measurables- I'd say you need to give him more than 3 NFL games to label him a "bust" or wasted draft pick.
Gilbert- not impressive first three games = bust.
Haden was considered the top CB in his draft class. And he's only been to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, he sucks.
Most of those draft mistakes were from previous Front Office gaffes. Lets see how this year's crop works out- and it takes more than three damn games to evaluate it. Walter, you change your opinions on a weekly basis. You were giving Manziel blow jobs all preseaon- and now you're happy he's sitting.
Gilbert has elite measurables- I'd say you need to give him more than 3 NFL games to label him a "bust" or wasted draft pick.
I said so far. What happens next remains to be seen.
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Idk, Haden played pretty stout the whole game. I respect him as one of the true lock down corners who doesn't need to hold 15 yards down the field to cover well like the likes of Revis and others (who get away with it due to their high profiles.)
That last play was just Joe reading the coverage and calling the perfect audible to the coverage Haden was playing. Joe gambled and won. Had he lost and Haden been expecting a slant and go it could have been a pick and game over. You win some you lose some.
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Idk, Haden played pretty stout the whole game. I respect him as one of the true lock down corners who doesn't need to hold 15 yards down the field to cover well like the likes of Revis and others (who get away with it due to their high profiles.)
That last play was just Joe reading the coverage and calling the perfect audible to the coverage Haden was playing. Joe gambled and won. Had he lost and Haden been expecting a slant and go it could have been a pick and game over. You win some you lose some.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Idk, Haden played pretty stout the whole game. I respect him as one of the true lock down corners who doesn't need to hold 15 yards down the field to cover well like the likes of Revis and others (who get away with it due to their high profiles.)
That last play was just Joe reading the coverage and calling the perfect audible to the coverage Haden was playing. Joe gambled and won. Had he lost and Haden been expecting a slant and go it could have been a pick and game over. You win some you lose some.
This is the response I've being trying to find in all this. I'm not crazy about this idea in practice but watching the play again it seems like this is exactly what happened. Not to mention Flacco made a perfect throw right in the bread basket and Whitner, per the usual this season, was one second too late.
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It just pisses me off how well Fuller, Roby, and Dennard are playing good and drafted after Gilbert.
It just pisses me off how well Fuller, Roby, and Dennard are playing good and drafted after Gilbert.
Fuller and Roby are the 3rd and 4th corners on their teams. Until Tillman got hurt Fuller occasionally came in on the nickel. Same thing with Roby. You wouldn't be doing 90% of the bitching about Gilbert that you currently are if Trufant was healthy.
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