Woody and Diehard

[Westside Steve]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/oklahoma-judge-dismisses-ten-commandments-lawsuit-25623948

ABC so it's harder to bellyache about the source.

WSS

[Dste Ace]

The Ten Commandments are secular?

[DieHardBrownsFan]

[LogicIsForSquares]

I expect to see about 30 monuments built by people who make up a religion on the fly.

[htownbrown]

Let em have it, its just a monument. The sad part is this is in a court wasting taxpayer money. If you don't like it, don't read it. I would say to all the athiests out there; don't waste your time on keeping religion in the shadows, but rather spend your time protecting your right to believe what you want.

[VaporTrail]

lol, there are some satanists that are planning on putting this on the lawn

[LogicIsForSquares]

I hope it plays Slayer.

[Westside Steve]

The Cub Scout salute? ???

WSS

[LogicIsForSquares]

@westside-steve said:

The Cub Scout salute? ???

WSS

Yeah either Satan is a scout or the scouts have some explaining to do haha.

[VaporTrail]

@westside-steve said:

The Cub Scout salute? ???

WSS

You didn't know that Beelzebub was an Eagle Scout?

[The Cysko Kid]

@logicisforsquares said:

I hope it plays Slayer.

Slayer or it fails

[Browns149]

[MLD Woody]

How are the 10 Commandments secular? I realize some of our law was based on the 10 Commandments (as well as a lot of other old documents) but I am not sure how you could call it "secular"

It is Oklahoma though... what are ya gonna do?

Well, I hope every other group just fills the lawn with random shit

[gftChris]

"The Ten Commandments monument on the Oklahoma Capitol grounds is constitutional because of its historical value,"

I'm sorry, 'historical' value? Implying that they definitively happened? I don't care about the statue, but the judge's reasoning is pretty iffy, along with the aforementioned supposed secularity of the monument.

[sadbrownsfan]

@logicisforsquares said:

I expect to see about 30 monuments built by people who make up a religion on the fly.

@gftchris said:

"The Ten Commandments monument on the Oklahoma Capitol grounds is constitutional because of its historical value,"

I'm sorry, 'historical' value? Implying that they definitively happened? I don't care about the statue, but the judge's reasoning is pretty iffy, along with the aforementioned supposed secularity of the monument.

They do serve, whether you believe the story of how Moses came down from the mountain with the tablets or not, as the basis of Laws in most Western Civilizations, so they do have 'historical' value which makes a legitimate reason to have around government buildings.

[Westside Steve]

Bacchus

WSS

[VaporTrail]

@sadbrownsfan said:

They do serve, whether you believe the story of how Moses came down from the mountain with the tablets or not, as the basis of Laws in most Western Civilizations, so they do have 'historical' value which makes a legitimate reason to have around government buildings.

Because there are so many laws against following the wrong religion, skipping church, talking back to your parents, and coveting your neighbor's wife and material shit There are penalties for murder and theft in every civilization. So I could make the same argument with just about any other theory of law that may have marginally influenced western civilizations.

[sadbrownsfan]

@vaportrail said:

Because there are so many laws against following the wrong religion, skipping church, talking back to your parents, and coveting your neighbor's wife and material shit There are penalties for murder and theft in every civilization. So I could make the same argument with just about any other theory of law that may have marginally influenced western civilizations.

Do you feel another theory or law did more than the commandments? Greek\Roman law? or even Babylonian\Egyptian law....or just disagreeing to disagree?

[Dste Ace]

@logicisforsquares said:

I hope it plays Slayer.

If not, then 'Shout at the Devil"

[gftChris]

@sadbrownsfan said:

Do you feel another theory or law did more than the commandments? Greek\Roman law? or even Babylonian\Egyptian law....or just disagreeing to disagree?

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.

There are 3 laws in there that are part of modern society.

The first 4 aren't relevent in today's society.

5 is good advice, but we wouldn't need the bible to tell us that - look at any tribe and the elders are always the most respected.

7 isn't a law. Regrettable, maybe, but not illegal.

Coveting your neighbours stuff is how most of suburbia works - neighbour gets a new TV, I want a new TV. I get a new ride-on lawnmower, my neighbour gets one with a bigger engine.

Saying they're the basis for our law system is a stretch.