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  • As much as it pains me to say this, start Johnny Football. I don't think this team will win any more than 6 games this season and I want to see him make it or fail going into next year so the circus will be only one year.

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  • Our offense is not the issue.

  • B BaconHound

    As much as it pains me to say this, start Johnny Football. I don't think this team will win any more than 6 games this season and I want to see him make it or fail going into next year so the circus will be only one year.

    @baconhound said:

    As much as it pains me to say this, start Johnny Football. I don't think this team will win any more than 6 games this season and I want to see him make it or fail going into next year so the circus will be only one year.

    Clearly it did not pain you enough...

    @tiamat63 said:

    I can't agree with starting Sheard and Kruger at the same time unless you're convinced the team you're facing runs on early downs.

    Simultaneous Sheard + Krugs would be damn close to fielding a 5-man line...

    Last time I can remember that as a base D in a game would be all the way back in George Allen's days as WSH's HC... I forget who it was he sprung it on, but it shut their run game down cold.

    @frenchie said:

    Well, it's a win now league and those coordinators need to demonstrate their ability to coach players and a system that works. I'm just not seeing that right now. Everything on D is not working right now. Running, passing, pass rush, it all needs to get a lot better because I'm not that invested in O'Neil.

    Win now? Keep changing Coord's every year and it'll be win never. And you seem unwilling to wait even a year...

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  • B BaconHound

    As much as it pains me to say this, start Johnny Football. I don't think this team will win any more than 6 games this season and I want to see him make it or fail going into next year so the circus will be only one year.

    @baconhound said:

    As much as it pains me to say this, start Johnny Football. I don't think this team will win any more than 6 games this season and I want to see him make it or fail going into next year so the circus will be only one year.

    Yeah because it's the QB that is losing us games.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @baconhound said:

    As much as it pains me to say this, start Johnny Football. I don't think this team will win any more than 6 games this season and I want to see him make it or fail going into next year so the circus will be only one year.

    Yeah because it's the QB that is losing us games.

    @mark-o said:

    Yeah because it's the QB that is losing us games.

    Hoyer hasn't been the issue through 3 games but at the end of the year if Manziel hasn't played it will be a QB battle all over again and is that what this franchise needs?

    I see what the Jets are going through right now giving Geno Smith his chance and it has set them back 2 years.

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  • @BaconHound

    I'm sitting here trying to figure out what fucking games your watching? Have you watched a Browns game yet this season?

  • Sienn13S Sienn13

    @BaconHound

    I'm sitting here trying to figure out what fucking games your watching? Have you watched a Browns game yet this season?

    @sienn13 said:

    @BaconHound

    I'm sitting here trying to figure out what fucking games your watching? Have you watched a Browns game yet this season?

    Do you think they drafted Manziel to sit him indefinitely? At some point he is going to play. I'd rather have him get his shot at 1-2 with obvious problems on this team then have Hoyer go 6-10 and then see Johnny start 1-3 next year.

  • B BaconHound

    @mark-o said:

    Yeah because it's the QB that is losing us games.

    Hoyer hasn't been the issue through 3 games but at the end of the year if Manziel hasn't played it will be a QB battle all over again and is that what this franchise needs?

    I see what the Jets are going through right now giving Geno Smith his chance and it has set them back 2 years.

    @baconhound said:

    Hoyer hasn't been the issue through 3 games but at the end of the year if Manziel hasn't played it will be a QB battle all over again and is that what this franchise needs?

    I see what the Jets are going through right now giving Geno Smith his chance and it has set them back 2 years.

    If the offense continues to play like this, in particular Hoyer, I hope we never see Manziel play.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @baconhound said:

    Hoyer hasn't been the issue through 3 games but at the end of the year if Manziel hasn't played it will be a QB battle all over again and is that what this franchise needs?

    I see what the Jets are going through right now giving Geno Smith his chance and it has set them back 2 years.

    If the offense continues to play like this, in particular Hoyer, I hope we never see Manziel play.

    @mark-o said:

    If the offense continues to play like this, in particular Hoyer, I hope we never see Manziel play.

    I'd love this to be true but traditionally, and maybe this is where the new Browns will be different, a QB drafted in the 1st round plays in his first 2 seasons.

    This has been true of everyone except for Aaron Rodgers in the last 10 years but he was sitting behind a hall of famer and face of the franchise

  • B BaconHound

    @mark-o said:

    If the offense continues to play like this, in particular Hoyer, I hope we never see Manziel play.

    I'd love this to be true but traditionally, and maybe this is where the new Browns will be different, a QB drafted in the 1st round plays in his first 2 seasons.

    This has been true of everyone except for Aaron Rodgers in the last 10 years but he was sitting behind a hall of famer and face of the franchise

    @baconhound said:

    I'd love this to be true but traditionally, and maybe this is where the new Browns will be different, a QB drafted in the 1st round plays in his first 2 seasons.

    This has been true of everyone except for Aaron Rodgers in the last 10 years but he was sitting behind a hall of famer and face of the franchise

    Hell, trade him tomorrow to the Vikings...they're on their 3rd string QB now. I'm sure they'd give us something good for him.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @baconhound said:

    I'd love this to be true but traditionally, and maybe this is where the new Browns will be different, a QB drafted in the 1st round plays in his first 2 seasons.

    This has been true of everyone except for Aaron Rodgers in the last 10 years but he was sitting behind a hall of famer and face of the franchise

    Hell, trade him tomorrow to the Vikings...they're on their 3rd string QB now. I'm sure they'd give us something good for him.

    @mark-o said:

    Hell, trade him tomorrow to the Vikings...they're on their 3rd string QB now. I'm sure they'd give us something good for him.

    I'd throw a party but teams typically don't admit they got duped

  • I think bacon was baking when watching.

  • Not admitting they got duped....Cassel is on IR...Bridgewater just went to the locker room for xrays on an ankle injury. They need a QB now.

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  • @Bacon

    Keep praying at your Saint Johnny of the Clipboard altar.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    Not admitting they got duped....Cassel is on IR...Bridgewater just went to the locker room for xrays on an ankle injury. They need a QB now.

    @mark-o said:

    Not admitting they got duped....Cassel is on IR...Bridgewater just went to the locker room for xrays on an ankle injury. They need a QB now.

    No the Browns would be admitting it. They have come out saying that Johnny's the guy, he's on pace, he's looking good, he's their guy. When we all know they now wish Jerry drafted him.

    OsirisO 1 Reply

  • http://offtherecordsports.com/2014/09/29/browns-sticking-with-hoyer-over-manziel/

    Excerpt from the above linked article:

    According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the Browns may have re-thought the position, but that doesn’t mean they are making a change.

    “In preseason, it made sense #Browns would reevaluate QB position after the bye. They have. It’s still Brian Hoyer. Not time for Manziel yet,” Rapoport tweets.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • B BaconHound

    @mark-o said:

    Not admitting they got duped....Cassel is on IR...Bridgewater just went to the locker room for xrays on an ankle injury. They need a QB now.

    No the Browns would be admitting it. They have come out saying that Johnny's the guy, he's on pace, he's looking good, he's their guy. When we all know they now wish Jerry drafted him.

    @baconhound said:

    No the Browns would be admitting it. They have come out saying that Johnny's the guy, he's on pace, he's looking good, he's their guy. When we all know they now wish Jerry drafted him.

    Usually people who say "we all know X" say so because they don't have any actual evidence to support their claims. What we do know is that:

    a: Pettine said in an ideal world, a rookie QB would not start all season.

    b: Hoyer is the 11th ranked QB in terms of QBR right now at 97.5. This is vastly improved from our QB play of recent years.

    😄 The Browns are losing close games because of the defense.

    So given Pettine believes a rookie QB should sit, and that Hoyer is performing well, do you really think he or anyone else is regretting the Manziel pick, or is it just more likely that the scenario Pettine wanted for his QBs is becoming true? You could make a case for regretting picking Gilbert over Fuller, but not this nonsense.

    "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
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  • B BaconHound

    @mark-o said:

    Yeah because it's the QB that is losing us games.

    Hoyer hasn't been the issue through 3 games but at the end of the year if Manziel hasn't played it will be a QB battle all over again and is that what this franchise needs?

    I see what the Jets are going through right now giving Geno Smith his chance and it has set them back 2 years.

    @baconhound said:

    Hoyer hasn't been the issue through 3 games but at the end of the year if Manziel hasn't played it will be a QB battle all over again and is that what this franchise needs?

    I see what the Jets are going through right now giving Geno Smith his chance and it has set them back 2 years.

    So, according to your post, playing Geno Smith has set the Jets back 2 years......yet you promote playing JFF over a starter who's playing great......

    That's probably the worst logic Ive ever heard.....lets pull the good QB, play the rookie and set the Browns back 2 years???....all so we can avoid a QB competition next year???

    Competition is a GOOD thing.....not a bad thing..... 2 good QB's is what everyone wants....but you cant start em both....

    Maybe it would be better just to have one good QB and a completely shitty backup....then we wouldn't even have to worry about those pesky QB battles and competitions between players......holy cow.....

  • OsirisO Osiris

    @baconhound said:

    No the Browns would be admitting it. They have come out saying that Johnny's the guy, he's on pace, he's looking good, he's their guy. When we all know they now wish Jerry drafted him.

    Usually people who say "we all know X" say so because they don't have any actual evidence to support their claims. What we do know is that:

    a: Pettine said in an ideal world, a rookie QB would not start all season.

    b: Hoyer is the 11th ranked QB in terms of QBR right now at 97.5. This is vastly improved from our QB play of recent years.

    😄 The Browns are losing close games because of the defense.

    So given Pettine believes a rookie QB should sit, and that Hoyer is performing well, do you really think he or anyone else is regretting the Manziel pick, or is it just more likely that the scenario Pettine wanted for his QBs is becoming true? You could make a case for regretting picking Gilbert over Fuller, but not this nonsense.

    @osiris said:

    b: Hoyer... is vastly improved from our QB play of recent years.

    Yes... except for the better part of eight, glorious quarters in 2013...

    @mudfly said:

    That's probably the worst logic Ive ever heard...

    Maybe it's the all the years of nitrate ingestion?

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  • Johnny Manziel is playing, if not tomorrow he'll start next year. I don't know what NFL you guys have watched over the last 10 years. Don't take my word for it, google QB's selected number 1. All but Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers saw significant starts in their 1st or 2nd season. Now Rodgers and Rivers were behind two Hall of Famers. It is inevitable that the guy you drafted in the 1st round plays. If he doesn't play it will be viewed as a wasted pick, not my rules just the way the NFL works.

    Personally I would not have drafted Manziel but once you use a 1st round pick you're locked into playing the guy. EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, etc. were selected by a GM as their guy, they have to play. I'd rather quantify what he is and move forward then watch another 6-10 year knowing that at some point next season Manziel's playing.

    I know some fans are hoping that a year of watching will make him more NFL ready, and for the teams sake I hope you're right, but if we are being honest a GM thought Tim Tebow was the next big thing and he at least was built like an NFL QB. For better or worse there is a "prototypical" NFL QB and that is what works. There are always exceptions but like RG3 and Vick it's hard to keep those exceptions healthy.

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