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    @cane666 said:

    crabtree is the key

    There will be plenty of "keys". Different GM's around the league are going to become obsessed with certain players and they will make un-wise (favorable for us) decisions that will allow us to trade down.

    AdaM said:

    There will be plenty of "keys". Different GM's around the league are going to become obsessed with certain players and they will make un-wise (favorable for us) decisions that will allow us to trade down.

    Yes but what if Mangini also becomes obsessed with a player and uses the fifth spot?

    Slow Ur Role Jabroni!
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    AdaM said:

    There will be plenty of "keys". Different GM's around the league are going to become obsessed with certain players and they will make un-wise (favorable for us) decisions that will allow us to trade down.

    Yes but what if Mangini also becomes obsessed with a player and uses the fifth spot?

    @ithika said:

    Yes but what if Mangini also becomes obsessed with a player and uses the fifth spot?

    Class is too LB heavy to worry about that. If curry is gone, we'll trade down.

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    @ithika said:

    Yes but what if Mangini also becomes obsessed with a player and uses the fifth spot?

    Class is too LB heavy to worry about that. If curry is gone, we'll trade down.

    AdaM said:

    Class is too LB heavy to worry about that. If curry is gone, we'll trade down.

    I hope you're right It will be one of Mangini's first true tests...

    Slow Ur Role Jabroni!
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  • I think you guys are a little too focused on LB and needs.

    If Kokins and Mangini go in to drafts thinking "this" position or nothing, we will suck and be looking for a new coach and GM a few years down the road.

    Bank it.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I think you guys are a little too focused on LB and needs.

    If Kokins and Mangini go in to drafts thinking "this" position or nothing, we will suck and be looking for a new coach and GM a few years down the road.

    Bank it.

    @ballpeen said:

    I think you guys are a little too focused on LB and needs.

    If Kokins and Mangini go in to drafts thinking "this" position or nothing, we will suck and be looking for a new coach and GM a few years down the road.

    Bank it.

    Improving in your worst area's is the only way to get better. If we don't go LB and do some stupid stuff like.. RG,WR,QB, ect we'll be much worse off.

    I think the mentality he needs is LB or nothing. If Curry is gone, trade down and get an ADDITIONAL good LB prospect instead of picking the BPA which won't suit the immediate needs.

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  • You would head a loser team.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    You would head a loser team.

    @ballpeen said:

    You would head a loser team.

    You have to make exceptions when only 3 or 4 of your players could even start for the other 31 teams : /

  • I disagree......about the exceptions.

    You can make exceptions when you have a good team and are what you think is 1 player away.

    As it stands, we will be able to get the best player at his position. Right now the 2nd best backer isn't so good he passes the #1's at other spots.

    You can look up and down the roster as see several areas of needs. So darn near anybody we select will be a need pick.

    Now....come round 2...as has been noted, this is a deep LB draft....Matthews might be there when we draft in round 2.

    I just don't think you can force a draft.....you have to allow it to happen and make the best selections in the here and now....stay in the moment.

    Grabbing someone at backer may help us more next year, but you can't go in to drafts thinking next year. You have to be thinking 4-5 years down the road,

    JMO

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • So.....what if Crabtree isn't there, and Curry is gone....and just say we can't trade without giving the pick away.

    Who do you draft...because what I just proposed is probably how it is going to work out.

    It's easy to say trade down.....the only catch is you have to have someone who wants to trade up.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • I don't think so....there are 3-4 guys who would be solid picks.

    Just because they don't fit into your cookie cutter, or my cookie cutter of what we would like the most doesn't make it a bad selection.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • I just started thinking about the history of this kind of move. Someone mentioned K2 but that was only to move up one spot. Of course there was the Ricky William/Dikta fiasco.

    I was thinking of a move like the Jets and the Browns....A circumstance where a team moves up to a top 5 spot from a mid to late first round slot. It just seems to never happen.

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin"
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  • @inspecta said:

    Well that's our nightmare scenario right there. Who would you take at that point? The crazy samoan from USC? Another LB pick. Wells?

    If that does in fact play out then we are really effed at that 5 pick.....

    I think there is almost no chance that crabtree / curry / raji are gone by the 5th pick. And people will trade up for any of those 3.

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  • Oldcrow1945O Oldcrow1945

    I just started thinking about the history of this kind of move. Someone mentioned K2 but that was only to move up one spot. Of course there was the Ricky William/Dikta fiasco.

    I was thinking of a move like the Jets and the Browns....A circumstance where a team moves up to a top 5 spot from a mid to late first round slot. It just seems to never happen.

    oldcow1945 said:

    I just started thinking about the history of this kind of move. Someone mentioned K2 but that was only to move up one spot. Of course there was the Ricky William/Dikta fiasco.

    I was thinking of a move like the Jets and the Browns....A circumstance where a team moves up to a top 5 spot from a mid to late first round slot. It just seems to never happen.

    No, it isn't that common...teams near the top don't mind trading, but usually not to the bottom of the draft...and the cost to the other team is great since their 1st rounder doesn't hold a comparative value.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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    @inspecta said:

    Well that's our nightmare scenario right there. Who would you take at that point? The crazy samoan from USC? Another LB pick. Wells?

    If that does in fact play out then we are really effed at that 5 pick.....

    I think there is almost no chance that crabtree / curry / raji are gone by the 5th pick. And people will trade up for any of those 3.

    AdaM said:

    I think there is almost no chance that crabtree / curry / raji are gone by the 5th pick. And people will trade up for any of those 3.

    Do you really think so? Who do you think would want to trade up for those three guys?

    If they did want to I don;t think the browns would get much in return. That team's 1st and 3rd maybe? In this deep draft I'm not sure a team would want to give up their thiird round pick to move up five or twn spots

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin"
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  • Here is a pretty good site if anybody wants to dig to find out answers about this or anything else about the NFL draft.

    http://www.drafthistory.com/transactions/transactions.html

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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    AdaM said:

    I think there is almost no chance that crabtree / curry / raji are gone by the 5th pick. And people will trade up for any of those 3.

    Do you really think so? Who do you think would want to trade up for those three guys?

    If they did want to I don;t think the browns would get much in return. That team's 1st and 3rd maybe? In this deep draft I'm not sure a team would want to give up their thiird round pick to move up five or twn spots

    oldcow1945 said:

    Do you really think so? Who do you think would want to trade up for those three guys?

    If they did want to I don;t think the browns would get much in return. That team's 1st and 3rd maybe? In this deep draft I'm not sure a team would want to give up their thiird round pick to move up five or twn spots

    We won't know until it happens.

    But there are 32 teams (most with needs) drafting. Any team has a chance to get the urge and trade up to make sure they get the guy they believe will put them over the top.

    My feeling is, if Curry is gone, but crabtree or raji is there you pick either.

    If none of the 3 are on the board, we have a good chance of trading down.

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    AdaM said:

    Class is too LB heavy to worry about that. If curry is gone, we'll trade down.

    I hope you're right It will be one of Mangini's first true tests...

    @ithika said:

    I hope you're right It will be one of Mangini's first true tests...

    One thing you have to remember, it takes two to make a trade. Just because Mangini/Kokinis would want to trade down, they would need a partner. You can't say the guy failed because he couldn't trade down. Savage was the one that left him with 4 picks and screwed us with Anderson's contract and a tight cap figure.

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    oldcow1945 said:

    Do you really think so? Who do you think would want to trade up for those three guys?

    If they did want to I don;t think the browns would get much in return. That team's 1st and 3rd maybe? In this deep draft I'm not sure a team would want to give up their thiird round pick to move up five or twn spots

    We won't know until it happens.

    But there are 32 teams (most with needs) drafting. Any team has a chance to get the urge and trade up to make sure they get the guy they believe will put them over the top.

    My feeling is, if Curry is gone, but crabtree or raji is there you pick either.

    If none of the 3 are on the board, we have a good chance of trading down.

    AdaM said:

    We won't know until it happens.

    But there are 32 teams (most with needs) drafting. Any team has a chance to get the urge and trade up to make sure they get the guy they believe will put them over the top.

    My feeling is, if Curry is gone, but crabtree or raji is there you pick either.

    If none of the 3 are on the board, we have a good chance of trading down.

    Ok....I just thought you may have specific teams due to needs that you thought would be interested.

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin"

  • the only reason to draft raji is to use him as trade bate. if we do that and nobody wants to give up too much then we will be stuck with him.

    once a fan, always a fan. married to a steeler fan. aaaaaaaaah! --andy
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    @ballpeen said:

    I think you guys are a little too focused on LB and needs.

    If Kokins and Mangini go in to drafts thinking "this" position or nothing, we will suck and be looking for a new coach and GM a few years down the road.

    Bank it.

    Improving in your worst area's is the only way to get better. If we don't go LB and do some stupid stuff like.. RG,WR,QB, ect we'll be much worse off.

    I think the mentality he needs is LB or nothing. If Curry is gone, trade down and get an ADDITIONAL good LB prospect instead of picking the BPA which won't suit the immediate needs.

    AdaM said:

    Improving in your worst area's is the only way to get better. If we don't go LB and do some stupid stuff like.. RG,WR,QB, ect we'll be much worse off.

    I think the mentality he needs is LB or nothing. If Curry is gone, trade down and get an ADDITIONAL good LB prospect instead of picking the BPA which won't suit the immediate needs.

    Winning teams draft the best player available. Teams that consistently reach for needs often pay the price. Example, Willie Green was a reach because we needed a RB and passed on LT the year before. Wimbley was a reach because everyone said we needed a pass rusher.

    When teams know you are desparate for a need, you reduce your chances of making a good trade down.

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