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Is the defensive scheme the problem? Or is it the players?

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  • jcam222J jcam222

    It may be a mixed bag of a lot of things but I am starting to believe in many cases its on the players lack of focus and execution. We miss so many tackles I can't believe my TV isnt broken. I don't think for most of the players its a talent issue either I simply think they come out flat and need a fire under their ass. The only place my opinion differs on that is with Haden and Skrine. The focus on playing man uncovers significant weaknesses on the part of both of them. This is an area that I think the coaches should fix by abandoning their obsession with man coverage and better utilizing the talent we have.

    @jcam222 said:

    It may be a mixed bag of a lot of things but I am starting to believe in many cases its on the players lack of focus and execution. We miss so many tackles I can't believe my TV isnt broken. I don't think for most of the players its a talent issue either I simply think they come out flat and need a fire under their ass. The only place my opinion differs on that is with Haden and Skrine. The focus on playing man uncovers significant weaknesses on the part of both of them. This is an area that I think the coaches should fix by abandoning their obsession with man coverage and better utilizing the talent we have.

    Yup, alot of what ive seen is guys being out of position and unable to make the play. That screams lack of discipline to me, but definitely fixable.

    !!!!hopefully i'll be alive when it happens!!!!

  • Interesting stuff, JAF.... thanks...

    This especially caught my eye:

    "The thing about coach Pettine and O’Neil’s defensive system is the cornerbacks truly have to profoundly change some of the techniques they’ve been taught throughout college and even from other NFL coaching staffs. Cornerbacks in this system need to rely on the things they are coached more than pure athleticism."

    May explain the Gilbert and Desir picks. Both were less polished, but athletic with size picks. Desir even more so adding the small school factor.

    Preference for blank-ish slates to be coached up vs. the more "NFL ready" DBs like Fuller and Dennard who might have to "unlearn" skills...

    We shall see...

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  • Defense is talking tough huh? Oh boy look out. That last 100 yard game put up by scrubs must have been the final straw. 🙄

    I'd kind of rather they just stfu and tackle this week.

  • Here's a follow up to the presser I heard :

    http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/8658/oneil-pettines-past-defenses-improved-over-season

    Of note as I mentioned :

    So when defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil points out that the successful system run by the Browns started slowly in its first seasons with the Jets in 2009 and the Bills in 2013, it’s worth checking.

    Here are the numbers:

    The Jets gave up 303 yards per game and 17 points per game in the first six games in ’09, the year Rex Ryan was hired and Mike Pettine was defensive coordinator.

    They gave up 221.7 yards per game and 13.2 points per game the final 10 games.

    Things got better as the season progressed: In ’09, the Jets ended the season on a playoff run by giving up 6, 13, 3, 13, 15 and 0 points, respectively, in the final six games -- an average of 8.3 per game.

    In Buffalo in 2013, with Pettine as defensive coordinator and O’Neil his right-hand man, the Bills gave up 395 yards and 22.7 points in the first six games.

    The final 10, they gave up an average of 296.4 yard and 23.1 points.

    Clearly, the points-against numbers in Buffalo were not good, as the Bills gave up more than 20 points in four of the last five games, and more than 30 in two.

    But the trend in yardage with both teams (and in points with one of the teams) was positive as the season progressed.

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  • Other factors? For example weather?

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  • With the way the D performed with some new faces having to step in for the injured, it looks like the needle edges towards the "player" side rather than scheme.

  • D BoneD D Bone

    With the way the D performed with some new faces having to step in for the injured, it looks like the needle edges towards the "player" side rather than scheme.

    @d-bone said:

    With the way the D performed with some new faces having to step in for the injured, it looks like the needle edges towards the "player" side rather than scheme.

    True, but it is also about week 6 (even though it's game 5) when they say things start to come together.

    They went more coverage today than pass rush and it helped a bit - at least it was better than last weeks D.

    Curious to see how they play when/if the normal Starters come back.

    We're gettin' thin at a few spots - lots of injuries this game.

  • all you naysayers can now suck my dick....bitches.

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    you know jack about shite.

    where's cbus, where's walter where's everyone that said our D sucks?

    suck this.

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    all you naysayers can now suck my dick....bitches.

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    you know jack about shite.

    where's cbus, where's walter where's everyone that said our D sucks?

    suck this.

    @miktoxic said:

    all you naysayers can now suck my dick....bitches.

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    you know jack about shite.

    where's cbus, where's walter where's everyone that said our D sucks?

    suck this.

    Exactly...

  • I think today answers whether its the scheme or players. Today the players executed and played a full game. a great game

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    all you naysayers can now suck my dick....bitches.

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    you know jack about shite.

    where's cbus, where's walter where's everyone that said our D sucks?

    suck this.

    @miktoxic said:

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    Alliterative... and a new to me word... punces.

    Scoring D was vastly below YTD average... in large part due to two 4th-down stops.

    I suspect 3rd down D was also significantly improved. (PTG converted only 6 of 16)

    Yardage D on the other hand... better, but not vastly... in part no doubt due to some garbage time plays.

    I'd say good situational D by a work still in progress.

    Here's to progress... and more garbage time in our flippin' foes futures...

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @miktoxic said:

    bunch of pinthy perfumes punces.

    Alliterative... and a new to me word... punces.

    Scoring D was vastly below YTD average... in large part due to two 4th-down stops.

    I suspect 3rd down D was also significantly improved. (PTG converted only 6 of 16)

    Yardage D on the other hand... better, but not vastly... in part no doubt due to some garbage time plays.

    I'd say good situational D by a work still in progress.

    Here's to progress... and more garbage time in our flippin' foes futures...

    @tour2ma said:

    and a new to me word... punces.

    yes, and once again thanks for correcting me, the slang word is ponce (from withnail and i):

  • lol... funny clip...

    And I did not correct anything... google found "punce"...

    punce

    1. punce (noun)

    a person who is naturally very poor at something:

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  • They adjusted the Defensive scheme for this game. Less blitz. More cover. Less men up front. More men back. Yes, the players executed, but our coaching made the adjustments that threw big ben off his game. Gotta credit them for finding an answer to the poor play leading up to this game.

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