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  • Fuck that bitch.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • Let's just stick to the Jags. Future QB speculation is for the offseason.

  • @douche-nozzle said:

    Ahhh come on! I can't even point out how JF fucked up a few cheerleaders and cars in college?

    Texas A&M does not have cheerleaders. They are male yell leaders. LOL! 😆

    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • Hoyer's not commenting because he knows it BS. My thinking is he just wants to play football, concentrate on the Jags, and get another win. He'll deal with the JF/contract crap at the appropriate time. I can't see Hoyer making a dickhead move like this.

  • Keep both. Sign Hoyer to a new deal. Keep Johnny around while he learns the offense. If Hoyer goes down, you end up with a backup who has known only one NFL offense. No learning curve or extreme drop off.

  • F Frenchie

    Didn't you all see the Jason Cole video? In his opinion, Hoyer would not accept a contract with Manziel in Cleveland. So he thinks keeping both won't be an option if we want Hoyer long term. He also said that with every win, Hoyer gets more expensive so the sooner the Browns sign him, the better. By his theory, we could keep Hoyer one more year with a a Franchise Tag. But if we want to save money, the better idea might be to sign Hoyer and trade Manziel.

    Sorry, I assumed everyone knew what I was talking about.

    @frenchie said:

    Didn't you all see the Jason Cole video? In his opinion, Hoyer would not accept a contract with Manziel in Cleveland. So he thinks keeping both won't be an option if we want Hoyer long term. He also said that with every win, Hoyer gets more expensive so the sooner the Browns sign him, the better. By his theory, we could keep Hoyer one more year with a a Franchise Tag. But if we want to save money, the better idea might be to sign Hoyer and trade Manziel.

    Sorry, I assumed everyone knew what I was talking about.

    No way a QB has that kind of pull unless he's elite and in tight with the Owner/GM.

    We also have the option of doing the Transition tag like we did with Mack - that would let the Market set his value and we could match.

    This whole thing all started over some Bleacher Report blurb.

    Some BR articles are okay, but quite a few others are just throwing crap on the wall and seeing what sticks.

    Seriously, I think Hoyer's smart enough to know that we need a good backup QB, especially as he's just coming back from an ACL injury.

  • You know if I was in front office I would wait. This is a planned PR plan to make Johnny F news worthy again. If you know and watch Hoyer this junk does not sound like him .

  • After watching the vid and seeing Hoyers reaction... i think its true. Why not just say its not true if its not true? I'm thinking he is sick and tired of the whole stadium being filled with #2 jerseys. Either way i see this as a dick move on Hoyers behalf, he aint no GM.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    FUCK!

    And in the distance I can hear the JM Fanboys stampeding back to the forum...

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Reading the comments Johnny sounds kind of more like a team player.

    You said it yourself... Johnny Media. But in the locker room? on the sideline? Who knows...

    Anyway... sounds bullshitish to me...

    Agent has not been in negotiations since May...

    It's Mary Kay citing a Bleacher Report...

    Play ball...

    EDIT: Thanks, Mud... I feel better now...

    @tour2ma said:

    And in the distance I can hear the JM Fanboys stampeding back to the forum...

    @j0hnnybg00d said:

    After watching the vid and seeing Hoyers reaction... i think its true.

    There are times when I hate being right...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Lmao... you couldn't be any more wrong. I'm the biggest Hoyer homer on this forum and have been since his first game last year. I'm 41 and people can't bullshit me... if it wasn't true he would've said so but he didn't... equals a dick move. Still think he's 10 times the qb that Manziel is.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • After watching the film, it sounds like a starting Quarterback being hounded by some dick reporter on a rumor. He grinned and shrugged it off, which is what anyone would do.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • Okay, thought about this a bit more, did a little more reading/research.

    First, Zombo, can we get a thread merge, there are two QB threads about this running and I don't feel like jumping back an forth ?

    While I doubt this is true (more on this in a bit), this is really not something we need right now.

    This is the exact kind of crap that is going to distract the Team and cause us to lose a game we shouldn't lose (Jacksonville) because their attention was diverted to this BS.

    Next point you have to consider.

    Look at one particular statement that was made about the Mack situation this year during FA :

    "Alex Mack is a quality person and quality player, and he's the kind of person we want to play with the Cleveland Browns for a long time,'' said Haslam. "I personally like Alex a lot besides him being a good player. We were very frank. We want him to finish his career with the Cleveland Browns. Alex has some choices to make. At the end of the day, I think that's what he'll decide. But that's obviously his decision.

    Seems to me that Hoyer easily falls into this category - Brain's not going anywhere.

    Now more on the Hoyer / Johnny (non) story :

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/hoyers-agent-says-manziel-not-factor-future-021154142--nfl.html

    ''Although we have had no discussions with the Browns since the spring, Johnny Manziel's presence will have no impact on any discussions that we might have in the future with the team,'' Linta said in an email. ''Brian's not worried about his contract and the situation will take shape as the season progresses.''

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  • J J0hnnybg00d

    Lmao... you couldn't be any more wrong. I'm the biggest Hoyer homer on this forum and have been since his first game last year. I'm 41 and people can't bullshit me... if it wasn't true he would've said so but he didn't... equals a dick move. Still think he's 10 times the qb that Manziel is.

    @j0hnnybg00d said:

    Lmao... you couldn't be any more wrong. I'm the biggest Hoyer homer on this forum and have been since his first game last year. I'm 41 and people can't bullshit me... if it wasn't true he would've said so but he didn't... equals a dick move. Still think he's 10 times the qb that Manziel is.

    I blame your screen name... 🙂

    As for his reaction... if it was the third or fourth time he'd been asked, as I suspect it was, he'd already be tired of it... especially if it is not true.

    As DieHard did... you have to listen closely to the original "report".

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • T TexasAg1969

    @douche-nozzle said:

    Ahhh come on! I can't even point out how JF fucked up a few cheerleaders and cars in college?

    Texas A&M does not have cheerleaders. They are male yell leaders. LOL! 😆

    Merged or not, good post JAF...

    @texasag1969 said:

    Texas A&M does not have cheerleaders. They are male yell leaders. LOL! 😆

    One could argue your facts make the story even better... WHOOP! 😉

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
    JAFBFJ 1 Reply

  • There is no reason to not sign Hoyer and no reason to not keep Manziel. Right now everything is about Hoyer, and it should be. He is the starting QB and doing a great job. However, we don't know what is happening in practice. Manziel might be playing great in his role. Just because Hoyer is playing well this year doesn't mean Manziel won't beat him out next year.

    There is no rush to this. We don't have to make any decisions on this for 2-3 more years. JF isn't a distraction. We aren't reading about his exploits anymore. Let's don't be in a hurry to get rid of either one.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Merged or not, good post JAF...

    @texasag1969 said:

    Texas A&M does not have cheerleaders. They are male yell leaders. LOL! 😆

    One could argue your facts make the story even better... WHOOP! 😉

    @tour2ma said:

    Merged or not, good post JAF...

    One could argue your facts make the story even better... WHOOP! 😉

    Thanks Tour.

    This whole thing just doesn't sit well, nor does it seem to fit Hoyer's character - could be wrong, but as a Team Leader it just doesn't line up.

  • Looks like BR's Cole is doubling down...

    http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/10/14/jason-cole-of-bleacher-report-the-browns-know-hoyer-will-not-re-sign-in-the-current-circumstance-but-he-has-not-officially-said-that-to-the-team/

    So now not "everyone Cole has talked to" is saying the same thing...

    ... although he said that all did...

    ... and Hoyer has not officially said to the team what Cole says he said...

    ... but the team is aware of what he has said even tho he has not said what he said to the team...

    Anything I miss?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Should have never drafted Johnny.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • So Hoyer wants a more "backuppy" backup IF all this is true ... OK

    Well, we can't franchise both Hoyer and Cameron, so maybe we better get to work on Cameron so we can franchise Brian if we have to. I would not trade Manziel after one year, he could be great, and Hoyer could once again get injured. Browns gotta ride this out with both ... we went 15 years without one QB, we can go two years with 2.

    Zombo

  • wow, so this is true? Really Brian? If you're a "competitor"...than guess what dude you have to "compete". Gonna be that way anywhere you go. He never got the starting job at NE because he couldn't outcompete Tom Brady. He deserves a good contract no question. But if JF outcompetes him in a couple years than what? You want the Browns to guarantee they keep playing you even though someone better is on the team? So basically he wants to get rid of competition. Wow that's such a good look for an NFL QB. And what if Connor Shaw steps in for a few games after he gets hurt and plays better, get rid of him too then? Basically we have to guarantee Hoyer that our 2nd string QB sucks so bad we'll throw a couple more million at him to entice him off the IR a few months early? Such a bad look. Still hope this is bullshit, I thought the two of them actually got along.

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