The Division Race
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if we remain healthy on the o-line the remainder of the year, and gordan comes back for the final 6 games. he's gonna open the run game up even more, and just in time for the bad weather. im not predicting records but i think we win the division.
Got a tough schedule, don't get ahead of yourself. Final 4 of 6 on the road, Browns still gotta prove they can beat good teams on the road.
teams that can run the football usually do well on the road. we aint the saints who need to be indoors on turf to peform at there max. the futher along in the year we get the more our run game will be an advantage.afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Got a tough schedule, don't get ahead of yourself. Final 4 of 6 on the road, Browns still gotta prove they can beat good teams on the road.
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The Bengals have come back to reality after they played some tougher competition and will even more so this week against the colts.
They will lose to the Colts. No AJ Green again.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
....I'm sorry, I can sort of see the Cincy pick and the Pitt pick, but 11-5 for the Browns it just aiming pretty high. Nothing personal, I'm actually exciting and on board with the Browns being a much improved team, but 11-5 is tough. You have a 6 week stretch at the end of the year where you'll be lucky to just lose 3 games, which would bring your loss total to 5, and there's still 5 other games before that.
And even if Cleveland does perform that well, to say the Ravens are only winning 2 more games the rest of the year just shows how biased you are. No way we finish worse than 10-6. 9-7 if we really tank, but 6-10 is a pipe dream.
Edit: Upon further review, it appears you might just be "yanking my chain". I apologize.
10-6
10-6
9-5-1
6-10 just to piss off Vag.
The Browns have a very favorable 3 games coming up Jags, Raiders, Bucs. If, if, if, they roll into Cinci 6-2, do the math .500 the rest of the way = 10-6.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
What's 7/17? Over 1/3. Or say 6 /17, still over 1/3... and there's only 16 games so well over a third for a lot of teams and close to half of the games have been played. In a month there won't be as much to predict.
All reasonable guesses except Baltimore. Our schedule is more than soft enough to get us to 10 wins. It's after 10 that we have room to debate really. I think we hit 11, more than that is pretty optimistic, but less than 10 (or at worst 9, but I doubt it) wouldn't happen barring major injury/other circumstances.
I tend to agree- if you play like you did against Tampa.
Hey partner I'm not the one running around kissing ass and sucking that d on a rival board.
Maybe you should take a lesson or two on how to be polite, and take your war with some of the others private. BTW- Ravens fan is being realistic about his team- you however are not. Don't know where I saw the article, but it's damn true- despite adequate protection from the Steelers above average o-line, Ben has played like crap the last two games. He keeps that up, Bell and Brown won't be enough to save your season from going down the tubes. In case you didn't notice your defense just got shredded to the tune of 31 points by an offense minus it's #1 wr. So boo hoo, you didn't have Shazier- we didn't have Gordon- or Rubin- or Taylor, and be thankful we didn't. That, IMHO is why you get blasted here from some quarters- your rah-rah rah Steelers fandom. You've been around here long enough to generally know rules- act like a flamebaiting troll, you're going to get treated like one. And constantly extolling (in your mind) the greatness of Steelers players certainly qualifies.
They will lose to the Colts. No AJ Green again.
10-6
10-6
9-5-1
6-10 just to piss off Vag.
The Browns have a very favorable 3 games coming up Jags, Raiders, Bucs. If, if, if, they roll into Cinci 6-2, do the math .500 the rest of the way = 10-6.
I tend to agree- if you play like you did against Tampa.
Maybe you should take a lesson or two on how to be polite, and take your war with some of the others private. BTW- Ravens fan is being realistic about his team- you however are not. Don't know where I saw the article, but it's damn true- despite adequate protection from the Steelers above average o-line, Ben has played like crap the last two games. He keeps that up, Bell and Brown won't be enough to save your season from going down the tubes. In case you didn't notice your defense just got shredded to the tune of 31 points by an offense minus it's #1 wr. So boo hoo, you didn't have Shazier- we didn't have Gordon- or Rubin- or Taylor, and be thankful we didn't. That, IMHO is why you get blasted here from some quarters- your rah-rah rah Steelers fandom. You've been around here long enough to generally know rules- act like a flamebaiting troll, you're going to get treated like one. And constantly extolling (in your mind) the greatness of Steelers players certainly qualifies.
Hoorta I don't know ravens fan and thought he was getting involved brother from another mother style with nickers. After he clarified I apologized. I do not flame bait otherwise.
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Looking at the rest of the
bengals schedule...
@Colts - I think we can win this one. I'll count it as a loss though based on the recent play of both teams. L
Ravens - I'll count this as a win at home. W
Jaguars - W
Browns - in Cincy so W
@Saints - I think we can win. Saints don't look so good... But worst case I'll count it as a loss on the road against a strong offense. L
@Texans - I know they are a good defense, but I think we should win this one. Not like it's in the playoffs... W
@ Buccaneers - W
Steelers - W
@ Browns - L
Broncos - we are home... But unless our defense
Gets it's act together, I have a hard time saying we can win this one. Plus, it's prime time.... L
@ steelers - win. Should be tough, but we cano it. W
10-5-1. I'd say that's a safe bet. If we can win a couple road games maybe even 12-3-1. (I think saints and colts are winnable)
Knowing the bengals, we probably beat the colts and lose to he bucs lol.
Baltimore and Cleveland look really good too. Not gonna speculate on their records since I'm
Biased but could we have 3 playoff teams from the afc north again?
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Looking at the rest of the
bengals schedule...
@Colts - I think we can win this one. I'll count it as a loss though based on the recent play of both teams. L
Ravens - I'll count this as a win at home. W
Jaguars - W
Browns - in Cincy so W
@Saints - I think we can win. Saints don't look so good... But worst case I'll count it as a loss on the road against a strong offense. L
@Texans - I know they are a good defense, but I think we should win this one. Not like it's in the playoffs... W
@ Buccaneers - W
Steelers - W
@ Browns - L
Broncos - we are home... But unless our defense
Gets it's act together, I have a hard time saying we can win this one. Plus, it's prime time.... L
@ steelers - win. Should be tough, but we cano it. W
10-5-1. I'd say that's a safe bet. If we can win a couple road games maybe even 12-3-1. (I think saints and colts are winnable)
Knowing the bengals, we probably beat the colts and lose to he bucs lol.
Baltimore and Cleveland look really good too. Not gonna speculate on their records since I'm
Biased but could we have 3 playoff teams from the afc north again?
Looking at the rest of the
bengals schedule...
@Colts - I think we can win this one. I'll count it as a loss though based on the recent play of both teams. L
Ravens - I'll count this as a win at home. W
Jaguars - W
Browns - in Cincy so W
@Saints - I think we can win. Saints don't look so good... But worst case I'll count it as a loss on the road against a strong offense. L
@Texans - I know they are a good defense, but I think we should win this one. Not like it's in the playoffs... W
@ Buccaneers - W
Steelers - W
@ Browns - L
Broncos - we are home... But unless our defense
Gets it's act together, I have a hard time saying we can win this one. Plus, it's prime time.... L
@ steelers - win. Should be tough, but we cano it. W
10-5-1. I'd say that's a safe bet. If we can win a couple road games maybe even 12-3-1. (I think saints and colts are winnable)
Knowing the bengals, we probably beat the colts and lose to he bucs lol.
Baltimore and Cleveland look really good too. Not gonna speculate on their records since I'm
Biased but could we have 3 playoff teams from the afc north again?
I agree except the obvious one...I know it's at Cincy but I don't think we're gonna let you guys take the sweep. Many years when the Steelers were good they'd beat us on our turf and we'd steal one from Heinz Field. So there's a precedent. The only concern for the Ravens is the offensive line, which has injuries in the left side. If we get Monroe and Osemele back or the rookies play well, we'll be ok with one of the league's breast rushing attacks.
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Looking at the rest of the
bengals schedule...
@Colts - I think we can win this one. I'll count it as a loss though based on the recent play of both teams. L
Ravens - I'll count this as a win at home. W
Jaguars - W
Browns - in Cincy so W
@Saints - I think we can win. Saints don't look so good... But worst case I'll count it as a loss on the road against a strong offense. L
@Texans - I know they are a good defense, but I think we should win this one. Not like it's in the playoffs... W
@ Buccaneers - W
Steelers - W
@ Browns - L
Broncos - we are home... But unless our defense
Gets it's act together, I have a hard time saying we can win this one. Plus, it's prime time.... L
@ steelers - win. Should be tough, but we cano it. W
10-5-1. I'd say that's a safe bet. If we can win a couple road games maybe even 12-3-1. (I think saints and colts are winnable)
Knowing the bengals, we probably beat the colts and lose to he bucs lol.
Baltimore and Cleveland look really good too. Not gonna speculate on their records since I'm
Biased but could we have 3 playoff teams from the afc north again?
10-5-1. I'd say that's a safe bet. If we can win a couple road games maybe even 12-3-1. (I think saints and colts are winnable)
Still won't pretend to know the Bengals... just don't have a handle on you yet. But I will agree that BLT can't be chalked up just because it's a home game and beware of Houston.
The Texans don't just have a defense, they have a great defense that may even include Clowney by the time you see them. Plus as long as Foster is healthy they have a sound run game... very potent combo... especially in their house.
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10-5-1. I'd say that's a safe bet. If we can win a couple road games maybe even 12-3-1. (I think saints and colts are winnable)
Still won't pretend to know the Bengals... just don't have a handle on you yet. But I will agree that BLT can't be chalked up just because it's a home game and beware of Houston.
The Texans don't just have a defense, they have a great defense that may even include Clowney by the time you see them. Plus as long as Foster is healthy they have a sound run game... very potent combo... especially in their house.
I definitely don't mean to discount either of those teams. We could lose to either of those teams. The Texans are kind of a must win, given the schedule, so I expect the Bengals to treat it as such. And division games are so important. Obviously my prediction is going to be a little slanted. I like us at home against any team, but only if our defense gets back on track. If it doesn't, we are dead in the water anyway. It's Looking like we miss Zimmer after all..Still won't pretend to know the Bengals... just don't have a handle on you yet. But I will agree that BLT can't be chalked up just because it's a home game and beware of Houston.
The Texans don't just have a defense, they have a great defense that may even include Clowney by the time you see them. Plus as long as Foster is healthy they have a sound run game... very potent combo... especially in their house.
This weeks opponent, The Colts, don't have much of a defense, but their offense is pretty darn good. If our defense shows up I'd say bengals have a shot. Losing this game would kinda hurt. Because If they do, they lose ground to the Browns who should win at Jacksonville, and to the Ravens who should win vs the Falcons.
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Zombo said:
Oh, sorry, those were my preseason picks.
Well played, Sir...
The Browns have played 5 games out of 16.....do the math
5/16 = 1/2 Maryland math....
It's too early... I honestly do not know what to make of the Bengals at this point.
Only thing I know is that we get to face them in CIN after a short week at the end of our current "soft patch".
It's too early... I honestly do not know what to make of the Bengals at this point.
Only thing I know is that we get to face them in CIN after a short week at the end of our current "soft patch".
Yes. Until we play them, who knows?.....BUT, I will say they look like the team they've been the last few years.....flash then fail......this was the year they were 'supposed' to take the next step....
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Bengals are who we thought they were!
Seriously, they're a talented team with a overrated qb and they shrink under pressure.
my take exactly....started fast at 3-0, then blew the next 2 games....and I see them facing a couple more losses in the next few weeks....as I think Indy and Balt will both beat them.....
I will agree that BLT can't be chalked up just because it's a home game and beware of Houston.
The Texans don't just have a defense, they have a great defense that may even include Clowney by the time you see them. Plus as long as Foster is healthy they have a sound run game... very potent combo... especially in their house.
Texas is an enigma....kinda great and terrible at the same time.....
But....I do see the Browns passing Cinci in the next few weeks....and expect that by the time we meet, the Browns will be flying high atop the division and confident as fukk, while the Bungles will be struggling to figure what's going wrong with their season.....again....
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It's too early... I honestly do not know what to make of the Bengals at this point.
Only thing I know is that we get to face them in CIN after a short week at the end of our current "soft patch".
Yes. Until we play them, who knows?.....BUT, I will say they look like the team they've been the last few years.....flash then fail......this was the year they were 'supposed' to take the next step....
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Bengals are who we thought they were!
Seriously, they're a talented team with a overrated qb and they shrink under pressure.
my take exactly....started fast at 3-0, then blew the next 2 games....and I see them facing a couple more losses in the next few weeks....as I think Indy and Balt will both beat them.....
I will agree that BLT can't be chalked up just because it's a home game and beware of Houston.
The Texans don't just have a defense, they have a great defense that may even include Clowney by the time you see them. Plus as long as Foster is healthy they have a sound run game... very potent combo... especially in their house.
Texas is an enigma....kinda great and terrible at the same time.....
But....I do see the Browns passing Cinci in the next few weeks....and expect that by the time we meet, the Browns will be flying high atop the division and confident as fukk, while the Bungles will be struggling to figure what's going wrong with their season.....again....
Yes. Until we play them, (Bengals) who knows?.....BUT, I will say they look like the team they've been the last few years.....flash then fail......this was the year they were 'supposed' to take the next step....
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my take exactly....started fast at 3-0, then blew the next 2 games....and I see them facing a couple more losses in the next few weeks....as I think Indy and Balt will both beat them.....
Texas is an enigma....kinda great and terrible at the same time.....
But....I do see the Browns passing Cinci in the next few weeks....and expect that by the time we meet, the Browns will be flying high atop the division and confident as fukk, while the Bungles will be struggling to figure what's going wrong with their season.....again....
Should the Browns beat the Jags and the Bengals lose to the Colts- it will take exactly one game. 4-2, 3-2-1. Ravens will head up the division at a probable 5-2.So if the Stripers go according to form, they beat the Colts. However, my take is no AJ Green, and Dalton won't be able to match Luck's firepower without him.
Couple of other thoughts occurred to me over the evening- that Ravensfan (and everyone else) should take into account. You can't predict injuries- and those are certain to happen. Hmmm the Browns are probably in the best shape in the AFCN if a starting qb got hurt. Steelers would be hard pressed to win more than a couple of games without Ben. Second- assuming he stays clean- and I think he will- the Browns get Gordon back for the last 6 games starting with Atlanta. MHO is it completely changes the dynamic, everything else being equal.
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[quote name="Tour2ma" post="440737" timestamp="1413251982"
Any kin to Dick?
Some of the members here with BPH may know the answer to that.
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Wow thought there was going to be a troll fight, vag is getting nervous someone's muscling in on his gig.
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Bengals 10-6
Ravens 9-7
Browns 8-8
Steelers 7-9
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Browns schedule... currently 3-2
@ Jax W
Oak W
TB W
@ Cincy L (but winnable)
Hou W (but losable)
@ Atl W
@ Buf W (but losable)
Indy L (but winnable)
Cincy W
@ Car L (but winnable)
@ Bal W (but losable)
optimistic prediction: 11-5, and 1st in the division
confident prediction (+/- 3) somewhere between 8-8 and 14-2
Our games have been so tight, it's hard to predict that we would lose or win against anybody at this point, plus...
It's the Browns, and we have a LOOOONNNNNGGGGGG way to go...
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Yes. Until we play them, (Bengals) who knows?.....BUT, I will say they look like the team they've been the last few years.....flash then fail......this was the year they were 'supposed' to take the next step....
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my take exactly....started fast at 3-0, then blew the next 2 games....and I see them facing a couple more losses in the next few weeks....as I think Indy and Balt will both beat them.....
Texas is an enigma....kinda great and terrible at the same time.....
But....I do see the Browns passing Cinci in the next few weeks....and expect that by the time we meet, the Browns will be flying high atop the division and confident as fukk, while the Bungles will be struggling to figure what's going wrong with their season.....again....
Should the Browns beat the Jags and the Bengals lose to the Colts- it will take exactly one game. 4-2, 3-2-1. Ravens will head up the division at a probable 5-2.So if the Stripers go according to form, they beat the Colts. However, my take is no AJ Green, and Dalton won't be able to match Luck's firepower without him.
Couple of other thoughts occurred to me over the evening- that Ravensfan (and everyone else) should take into account. You can't predict injuries- and those are certain to happen. Hmmm the Browns are probably in the best shape in the AFCN if a starting qb got hurt. Steelers would be hard pressed to win more than a couple of games without Ben. Second- assuming he stays clean- and I think he will- the Browns get Gordon back for the last 6 games starting with Atlanta. MHO is it completely changes the dynamic, everything else being equal.
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Browns schedule... currently 3-2
@ Jax W
Oak W
TB W
@ Cincy L (but winnable)
Hou W (but losable)
@ Atl W
@ Buf W (but losable)
Indy L (but winnable)
Cincy W
@ Car L (but winnable)
@ Bal W (but losable)
optimistic prediction: 11-5, and 1st in the division
confident prediction (+/- 3) somewhere between 8-8 and 14-2
Our games have been so tight, it's hard to predict that we would lose or win against anybody at this point, plus...
It's the Browns, and we have a LOOOONNNNNGGGGGG way to go...
Browns schedule... currently 3-2
@ Jax W
Oak W
TB W
@ Cincy L (but winnable)
Hou W (but losable)
@ Atl W
@ Buf W (but losable)
Indy L (but winnable)
Cincy W
@ Car L (but winnable)
@ Bal W (but losable)
optimistic prediction: 11-5, and 1st in the division
confident prediction (+/- 3) somewhere between 8-8 and 14-2
Our games have been so tight, it's hard to predict that we would lose or win against anybody at this point, plus...
It's the Browns, and we have a LOOOONNNNNGGGGGG way to go...
Seems realistic, at least your expectations and admissions of which games can go either way. I would argue that the game at Atlanta is loseable, as even when struggling they are a threat to go vertical and put up tons of points at any given point, and playing at Atlanta makes a difference.
Final 6 games are brutal, 4 out of 6 on the road, Gotta aim for 3-3 here, which means you can't afford to lose more than 2 games in the next 5 weeks.
I would have put the Baltimore game as a loss, but winnable. We're pretty good at home and it'll be our finale at home, with almost assuredly big playoff implications. Should be exciting to watch, lots of fireworks.
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I definitely don't mean to discount either of those teams. We could lose to either of those teams. The Texans are kind of a must win, given the schedule, so I expect the Bengals to treat it as such. And division games are so important. Obviously my prediction is going to be a little slanted. I like us at home against any team, but only if our defense gets back on track. If it doesn't, we are dead in the water anyway. It's Looking like we miss Zimmer after all..Still won't pretend to know the Bengals... just don't have a handle on you yet. But I will agree that BLT can't be chalked up just because it's a home game and beware of Houston.
The Texans don't just have a defense, they have a great defense that may even include Clowney by the time you see them. Plus as long as Foster is healthy they have a sound run game... very potent combo... especially in their house.
This weeks opponent, The Colts, don't have much of a defense, but their offense is pretty darn good. If our defense shows up I'd say bengals have a shot. Losing this game would kinda hurt. Because If they do, they lose ground to the Browns who should win at Jacksonville, and to the Ravens who should win vs the Falcons.
I definitely don't mean to discount either of those teams. We could lose to either of those teams. The Texans are kind of a must win, given the schedule, so I expect the Bengals to treat it as such. And division games are so important. Obviously my prediction is going to be a little slanted. I like us at home against any team, but only if our defense gets back on track. If it doesn't, we are dead in the water anyway. It's Looking like we miss Zimmer after all..
These "must win" games are the ones where the bengals have failed time and time again. I'm counting on them to keep with the trend this year
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if we remain healthy on the o-line the remainder of the year, and gordan comes back for the final 6 games. he's gonna open the run game up even more, and just in time for the bad weather. im not predicting records but i think we win the division.
Got a tough schedule, don't get ahead of yourself. Final 4 of 6 on the road, Browns still gotta prove they can beat good teams on the road.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Got a tough schedule, don't get ahead of yourself. Final 4 of 6 on the road, Browns still gotta prove they can beat good teams on the road.
Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Got a tough schedule, don't get ahead of yourself. Final 4 of 6 on the road, Browns still gotta prove they can beat good teams on the road.
Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
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Yes, it is tougher. Luckily Gordon will be back for it.
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
No guarantee he'll be in football shape and up to speed. In fact, I'd bet against it, though certainly not impossible.
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
Zombo said:
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
Never said he won't, keywords are "no guarantee."
Also, being in shape doesn't mean he won't have rust to kick off and that he'll instantly adjust to in game speed and reaction time. Again, he might, it's certainly happened before with different players in similar situations but more oft than not there's usually an adjustment period.
Example - 2010, Vincent Jackson only played the last 5 games, had 1 good game against the Packers but other than that, in all 5 games total he only averaged 2.5 catches and 48 yards a game, only 3 total touchdowns all coming in the 1 blowout win against the Packers.
No other noteworthy examples at the receiver position.
On the flip side, on 2010 Ed Reed missed the first 6 games, came back to lead the league in interceptions that year. But, at the same time, that's Ed Reed and it wasn't suspension, was an injury.
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Zombo said:
He played the preseason and has been in the team meetings ... he's working out on his own.... he'll be in "football shape".
Zombo
Never said he won't, keywords are "no guarantee."
Also, being in shape doesn't mean he won't have rust to kick off and that he'll instantly adjust to in game speed and reaction time. Again, he might, it's certainly happened before with different players in similar situations but more oft than not there's usually an adjustment period.
Example - 2010, Vincent Jackson only played the last 5 games, had 1 good game against the Packers but other than that, in all 5 games total he only averaged 2.5 catches and 48 yards a game, only 3 total touchdowns all coming in the 1 blowout win against the Packers.
No other noteworthy examples at the receiver position.
On the flip side, on 2010 Ed Reed missed the first 6 games, came back to lead the league in interceptions that year. But, at the same time, that's Ed Reed and it wasn't suspension, was an injury.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Never said we won't, keywords are "no guarantee."
Also, being in shape doesn't mean he won't have rust to kick off and that he'll instantly adjust to in game speed and reaction time. Again, he might, it's certainly happened before with different players in similar situations but more oft than not there's usually an adjustment period.
Example - 2010, Vincent Jackson only played the last 5 games, had 1 good game against the Packers but other than that, in all 5 games total he only averaged 2.5 catches and 48 yards a game, only 3 total touchdowns all coming in the 1 blowout win against the Packers.
No other noteworthy examples at the receiver position.
On the flip side, on 2010 Ed Reed missed the first 6 games, came back to lead the league in interceptions that year. But, at the same time, that's Ed Reed and it wasn't suspension, was an injury.
Vincent Jackson is a pussy. Gordon is the best receiver in the NFL.
Zombo
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