F Brian "Garbage" Hoyer
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The loss was a team effort. From the coaching staff on down. Bad calls, horrible game management.
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16 for 41 with an interception, if he's lucky he gets one more week to turn things around....over all he hasn't been terrible...just mediocre, which is pretty much what he's been his entire career....my guess is manziel is ready at this point and we'd be wise to see what he can do......there's no guarantees, but my guess is that he would do better than that...two field goals against a louzy team that gives up 3 interceptions....that's pathetic....
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Bortles has thrown more than one interception just about every game he's started. He's raw and Browns should've won by taking full advantage of that.
Anyone calling for Hoyer's head: you'd better just be venting over this shitty loss and get back with it for next week.
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it really is pathetic, one reason why I was surprised we didn't even see A LITTLE of Johnny
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it really is pathetic, one reason why I was surprised we didn't even see A LITTLE of Johnny
it really is pathetic, one reason why I was surprised we didn't even see A LITTLE of Johnny
Too soon. That would only mix things up and mentally screw the team even worse.
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it really is pathetic, one reason why I was surprised we didn't even see A LITTLE of Johnny
Too soon. That would only mix things up and mentally screw the team even worse.
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it really is pathetic, one reason why I was surprised we didn't even see A LITTLE of Johnny
Too soon. That would only mix things up and mentally screw the team even worse.
Too soon. That would only mix things up and mentally screw the team even worse.
too soon..??...we're 6 games into the season and have 3 losses......if you're generous, you give hoyer one more chance to turn his performance around.....if he screws the pooch yet again, i gotta believe the coaches will decide to give manziel a chance.....
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So if Oakland beats us, is that soon enough? Or do we wait for the next week?
I'm hard pressed to put the entire blame on Brian Hoyer's shoulders.
But I like to see any quarterback get a good and fair look. As a rookie johnny is going have his own growing pains just like the great Blake bortles is. Then the Boo birds will be screaming for Connor Shaw.
WSS
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Flacco has had worse games.
Even Peyton had had 4+ interception games.
Too soon to give up on him.
I was more shocked by your defense
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yep. a lot of venting going on after that embarrassing loss. but looking back in retrospect there were plenty of other teams, with more of a thoroughbred bloodline of late getting smoked.
hopefully this is a stepping stone in the maturation of a backup QB becoming a starter and a DC becoming a head coach.
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So if Oakland beats us, is that soon enough? Or do we wait for the next week?
Just wrote in another thread that if the Raider game starts out looking like the 5th and 6th Qtrs of the JAX game, then make the change and see what happens.
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Hoyer had one awful game... he's better than he played on Sunday. He may not be the story that ESPN and others were trying to turn him into this week (the second coming of Kurt Warner led sportscenter a lot this week), but he's not as bad as he looked Sunday. It is true, however, that Bortles was the worst QB on the field Sunday. He had one impressive drive where he led the Jags down field for a score (after the Browns should have kicked a field goal to make it a two score game). I think Bortles has some potential, but to say that the Browns should've drafted him?? This season he has 5 TD, 10 picks, and two fumbles. QBR of 35. I'll pass on that guy with the third pick.
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well a lot think watkins is a hall of famer and we should have never have drafted a CB. (they're wrong of course).
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If the Oakland game is ugly like that, then I would say that putting Manziel in there wouldn't be a bad call.
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If the Oakland game is ugly like that, then I would say that putting Manziel in there wouldn't be a bad call.
If the Oakland game is ugly like that, then I would say that putting Manziel in there wouldn't be a bad call.
agree.
the problem is the way we looked beating pittsburgh has set us up for nothing but winning great or being the 'same old browns'.
jacksonville played us like we were the super bowl champs and came in and talked shit about their mothers or something. you don't think that jacksonville win yesterday gives oakland hope? i guarantee you they come out and play their best game next week. whether or not the browns can stop another hot jock rookie QB who is in his zone is something that needs to be seen.
there will be a huge amount of dissentment if we lose next week. i don't know if it'll be right or wrong but it WILL happen if the browns can't pull up their pants after the fucking they took yesterday.
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Too soon. That would only mix things up and mentally screw the team even worse.
too soon..??...we're 6 games into the season and have 3 losses......if you're generous, you give hoyer one more chance to turn his performance around.....if he screws the pooch yet again, i gotta believe the coaches will decide to give manziel a chance.....
too soon..??...we're 6 games into the season and have 3 losses......if you're generous, you give hoyer one more chance to turn his performance around.....if he screws the pooch yet again, i gotta believe the coaches will decide to give manziel a chance.....
Did you expect better than .500 going into game 6? If so how much better?
Please explain how you can pin the loss to Pittsburgh and Baltimore on Hoyer? Or how Hoyer was the only factor in the loss yesterday.
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The Pittsburgh and Baltimore loss were totally on the defense.
Yesterday, Brian was a hot pile of garbage and if he hits Cameron/and or Gabriel, then we are in business and the entire complexion of the game changes.
It should have been 17-0 or 13-0 but instead we go into the half down 7-6
You can't keep going 3 and out, 3 and out, 3 and out
If the offensive line is going to be this suspect, no way Hoyer makes it though the season.
#2 needs to be ready when called upon.
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this was actually Hoyer's 2nd bad game in a row. He now has the worst completion % in the league. Only 1 full time starter has thrown less TD passes and he has one less game played. and Hoyer has the nerve to say get rid of Manziel or I wont come back..
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