Jonathan Paul Manziel
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wow. who opened the door and let all these assholes in?
time to open the bomb bay doors at let these douche bags go like the exploding nimrods they are.
see ya jim brown. see ya demoted. see ya Retard for the 3rd time.
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We cant have this discussion after every loss. It makes us look stupid. Now if the coaches truly think (and I trust this group) that JFF is ready, then im fine with it. Their statement means Hoyer starts next week. 'We'll see' means 'not ready' in this case. Hoyer was bad sunday, but he still has been the most stable qb in a loooong time.
Anyways no one ever gives credit to Kyle S. for much of our successes and failures. Kyle called his worst game by a mile, but he has been fantastic most of the season. As some have already pointed out, this scheme is being completely designed around JFF's skills. So the minute we're out of contention, is more likely the minute JFF takes over.
It's too soon for me, these rookie qbs (minus Luck and Wilson) have for several drafts looked unprepared for NFL secondarys.
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@douche-nozzle said:
I know I cheered loudly when the Browns drafted Johnny
was it maniacal like when Big Ben laughed as he saw that girl walk to the bathroom alone?
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We cant have this discussion after every loss. It makes us look stupid. Now if the coaches truly think (and I trust this group) that JFF is ready, then im fine with it. Their statement means Hoyer starts next week. 'We'll see' means 'not ready' in this case. Hoyer was bad sunday, but he still has been the most stable qb in a loooong time.
Anyways no one ever gives credit to Kyle S. for much of our successes and failures. Kyle called his worst game by a mile, but he has been fantastic most of the season. As some have already pointed out, this scheme is being completely designed around JFF's skills. So the minute we're out of contention, is more likely the minute JFF takes over.
It's too soon for me, these rookie qbs (minus Luck and Wilson) have for several drafts looked unprepared for NFL secondarys.
We cant have this discussion after every loss. It makes us look stupid. Now if the coaches truly think (and I trust this group) that JFF is ready, then im fine with it. Their statement means Hoyer starts next week. 'We'll see' means 'not ready' in this case. Hoyer was bad sunday, but he still has been the most stable qb in a loooong time.
Anyways no one ever gives credit to Kyle S. for much of our successes and failures. Kyle called his worst game by a mile, but he has been fantastic most of the season. As some have already pointed out, this scheme is being completely designed around JFF's skills. So the minute we're out of contention, is more likely the minute JFF takes over.
It's too soon for me, these rookie qbs (minus Luck and Wilson) have for several drafts looked unprepared for NFL secondarys.
Its not just this board having this discussion, national media is having this discussion.
This is why we all know deep down that Hoyer won't resign if Manziel is here (just like the reports have said). This will never end. This time last week Hoyer was talking about 13-18 Mil for 4 or 5 years and one game later the entire nation is wondering if Manziel is playing soon. Until Manziel is the starter, thats how it will be every week we lose from here on out. Hoyer doesn't want to deal with it and I don't blame him, but it's the situation here.
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We cant have this discussion after every loss. It makes us look stupid. Now if the coaches truly think (and I trust this group) that JFF is ready, then im fine with it. Their statement means Hoyer starts next week. 'We'll see' means 'not ready' in this case. Hoyer was bad sunday, but he still has been the most stable qb in a loooong time.
Anyways no one ever gives credit to Kyle S. for much of our successes and failures. Kyle called his worst game by a mile, but he has been fantastic most of the season. As some have already pointed out, this scheme is being completely designed around JFF's skills. So the minute we're out of contention, is more likely the minute JFF takes over.
It's too soon for me, these rookie qbs (minus Luck and Wilson) have for several drafts looked unprepared for NFL secondarys.
As some have already pointed out, this scheme is being completely designed around JFF's skills. So the minute we're out of contention, is more likely the minute JFF takes over.
i don't know who pointed that out but i'd say that's going out on a limb, a very thin shaky limb.
who's to say manziel will be ready next year? or the year after that? or ever? just because you draft a guy in the first round does not mean you owe a thing to him. if he was that good he'd be starting.
to hitch yourself to one wagon as an OC is just plain stoopid and i don't think shanhan is a stoopid.
football is a team sport and everyone on that team was involved with the jags loss. sure hoyer sucked, as did the whole OL, as did our RBs as did our DL and as did our coaching staff.
haslam is not going to fire pettine, so all you little typhoid marys can get that out of your mind now. now will he shove a lighted pitchfork up his ass if he doesn't figure out how to play his players? can anyone say volcanic hell?
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We cant have this discussion after every loss. It makes us look stupid. Now if the coaches truly think (and I trust this group) that JFF is ready, then im fine with it. Their statement means Hoyer starts next week. 'We'll see' means 'not ready' in this case. Hoyer was bad sunday, but he still has been the most stable qb in a loooong time.
Anyways no one ever gives credit to Kyle S. for much of our successes and failures. Kyle called his worst game by a mile, but he has been fantastic most of the season. As some have already pointed out, this scheme is being completely designed around JFF's skills. So the minute we're out of contention, is more likely the minute JFF takes over.
It's too soon for me, these rookie qbs (minus Luck and Wilson) have for several drafts looked unprepared for NFL secondarys.
Its not just this board having this discussion, national media is having this discussion.
This is why we all know deep down that Hoyer won't resign if Manziel is here (just like the reports have said). This will never end. This time last week Hoyer was talking about 13-18 Mil for 4 or 5 years and one game later the entire nation is wondering if Manziel is playing soon. Until Manziel is the starter, thats how it will be every week we lose from here on out. Hoyer doesn't want to deal with it and I don't blame him, but it's the situation here.
Its not just this board having this discussion, national media is having this discussion.
This is why we all know deep down that Hoyer won't resign if Manziel is here (just like the reports have said). This will never end. This time last week Hoyer was talking about 13-18 Mil for 4 or 5 years and one game later the entire nation is wondering if Manziel is playing soon. Until Manziel is the starter, thats how it will be every week we lose from here on out. Hoyer doesn't want to deal with it and I don't blame him, but it's the situation here.
dude you're back in full force and it's as sickening now as it was then.
please go back to rooting for A&M or the cowboys or whatever? when manziel shits the bed (and i don't want that to happen) i'll be so happy because i'll never ever have to see or hear of stocktonshorts again.
stfu already.
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As some have already pointed out, this scheme is being completely designed around JFF's skills. So the minute we're out of contention, is more likely the minute JFF takes over.
i don't know who pointed that out but i'd say that's going out on a limb, a very thin shaky limb.
who's to say manziel will be ready next year? or the year after that? or ever? just because you draft a guy in the first round does not mean you owe a thing to him. if he was that good he'd be starting.
to hitch yourself to one wagon as an OC is just plain stoopid and i don't think shanhan is a stoopid.
football is a team sport and everyone on that team was involved with the jags loss. sure hoyer sucked, as did the whole OL, as did our RBs as did our DL and as did our coaching staff.
haslam is not going to fire pettine, so all you little typhoid marys can get that out of your mind now. now will he shove a lighted pitchfork up his ass if he doesn't figure out how to play his players? can anyone say volcanic hell?
i don't know who pointed that out but i'd say that's going out on a limb, a very thin shaky limb.
He may be referring to me? I'm not saying that the offensive is being built around JFF's skill set instead what I am saying is that JFF's skill set fits in perfectly with the offensive scheme.
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i don't know who pointed that out but i'd say that's going out on a limb, a very thin shaky limb.
He may be referring to me? I'm not saying that the offensive is being built around JFF's skill set instead what I am saying is that JFF's skill set fits in perfectly with the offensive scheme.
He may be referring to me? I'm not saying that the offensive is being built around JFF's skill set instead what I am saying is that JFF's skill set fits in perfectly with the offensive scheme.
i hear you. it's shanny jr's system.
you think kirk cousins doesn't know the system? wonder why we don't/didn't bring him in? lol.
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He may be referring to me? I'm not saying that the offensive is being built around JFF's skill set instead what I am saying is that JFF's skill set fits in perfectly with the offensive scheme.
i hear you. it's shanny jr's system.
you think kirk cousins doesn't know the system? wonder why we don't/didn't bring him in? lol.
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another mich st. alum.........
don't know whether to laugh or cry at that one.
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POW!!
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We cant have this discussion after every loss. It makes us look stupid. Now if the coaches truly think (and I trust this group) that JFF is ready, then im fine with it. Their statement means Hoyer starts next week. 'We'll see' means 'not ready' in this case. Hoyer was bad sunday, but he still has been the most stable qb in a loooong time.
Anyways no one ever gives credit to Kyle S. for much of our successes and failures. Kyle called his worst game by a mile, but he has been fantastic most of the season. As some have already pointed out, this scheme is being completely designed around JFF's skills. So the minute we're out of contention, is more likely the minute JFF takes over.
It's too soon for me, these rookie qbs (minus Luck and Wilson) have for several drafts looked unprepared for NFL secondarys.
Its not just this board having this discussion, national media is having this discussion.
This is why we all know deep down that Hoyer won't resign if Manziel is here (just like the reports have said). This will never end. This time last week Hoyer was talking about 13-18 Mil for 4 or 5 years and one game later the entire nation is wondering if Manziel is playing soon. Until Manziel is the starter, thats how it will be every week we lose from here on out. Hoyer doesn't want to deal with it and I don't blame him, but it's the situation here.
Its not just this board having this discussion, national media is having this discussion.
This is why we all know deep down that Hoyer won't resign if Manziel is here (just like the reports have said). This will never end. This time last week Hoyer was talking about 13-18 Mil for 4 or 5 years and one game later the entire nation is wondering if Manziel is playing soon. Until Manziel is the starter, thats how it will be every week we lose from here on out. Hoyer doesn't want to deal with it and I don't blame him, but it's the situation here.
No shit the media wants Manziel. They get higher ratings when he plays. They will make up any story they can about the guy. It's all about MONEY..
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he'll be in michigan and no pettine is not going to be fired.
you would think though (that nowadays with a HC shelf life being 1-3 like a bum RB) that he'd start acting as though this means something to him by lighting into his players more than a shurmer.
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Are you really that fucking stupid? Don't answer b.c you just are. Someone that wants Hoyer to start you are calling a hater. What a fucking idiot.
Enough- you apparently are- I'd suggest a course in reading comprehension. "Owner trying to force Manziel in". and Hoyer Haters happen to be two separate thoughts. Here's a hint- it's called p-u-n-c-t-u-a-t-i-o-n. Ya know, those little dots called periods? I even bolded in RED the part you were spewing with ZERO to back up that statement. Sheeze- like talking to a brick wall.
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If they start the QB shuffle we are fucked. Oh and say goodbye to Pettine regardless. Harbaugh in SF will be our new coach next season
If they start the QB shuffle we are fucked. Oh and say goodbye to Pettine regardless. Harbaugh in SF will be our new coach next season
Nope, Pettine will be here next year- take it to the bank. Haslam fires Pettine after one year- well, he'll have to start scouring the D-III ranks to find anyone willing to take the job. Har- Harbaugh in 2015? I'd put those odds at about the earth getting hit by an asteroid.
BTW- that's probably exactly why Pettine is sticking with Hoyer for the time being. The last thing he wants is a full blown qb controversy. Hoyer will start until it's conclusively proven he's another Scott Mitchell.
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Start manziel hoyer sucks
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Except from the coaching staff, which is all that matters. First off, "starting" qbs far worse than Hoyer have had far worse games- remember that Browns qb from a few years back that posted a perfect zero qbr? Didn't lose their starting gig after one stinker. And not just for the Browns either, if that's what you're thinking.
Also your logic is flawed by the assumption Manziel is going to come in and do way better. If Pettine thought that was the case, JFF would already be starting. He's not getting paid to lose games.
Once again you're comparing Hoyer to our previous awful QBs, and while he might be more steady then they were (who the majority are out of the league and the rest are backups, except Colt getting his start Monday) you're not comparing him to winning QBs. If you compare Hoyers numbers to the average playoff winning QB, he's awful. Next to the Browns previous QBs, he's good.
If you're desire for this team to just became an ok team and not finish with an embarrassing record every year, Brians your guy. I mean reading plenty of posts around it sounds like mediocrity is all you expect from this franchise and want anyone that can get them there. I don't think that way. I want a contender, a team that becomes a constant contender and that starts at QB. If you don't have the QB you can't get there. Brians not the QB. He's never once showed he's a great QB, hes only showed he can do his best not to lose you a game. The fans eat it up, and everytime we win its "HOYER IS A WINNER!!!" and whenever we lose it becomes "Oh well its a team loss" when really its much more the other way around. I'm looking to BUILD something here, not just patchwork a 6th seed playoff team that just good enough to get trounced in the first round, or a constant 8-8 team. Thats what Hoyer gives you a chance for, and that chance is even slim. Nothing more.
So now that I know Hoyer isn't the guy, now I want to know if Manziel is the guy. He might suck, you all could be right about that. But until he gets a shot we won't know. I know what Hoyer is, he's a backup, now I need to see what Manziel is. If Manziels not the guy then we need someone else.
I agree with Hoyer starting the season, Manziel wasn't ready, and I agree if we can stay in playoff contention Hoyer gives us the best shot. However we just lost to the Jags. Playoff teams don't lose that game. Chances of making playoffs just got a lot slimmer and with another game like that they'll be practically zero. The minute that happens Hoyer needs to go figure out what other team will have him (and pay that 13 Mil a year he's asking for, which will be interesting to see who would bite at that) and we need to develop Johnny to see if he could be the guy.
... everytime we win its "HOYER IS A WINNER!!!" and whenever we lose it becomes "Oh well its a team loss" when really its much more the other way around.
So now that I know Hoyer isn't the guy, now I want to know if Manziel is the guy. He might suck, you all could be right about that. But until he gets a shot we won't know. I know what Hoyer is, he's a backup, now I need to see what Manziel is. If Manziels not the guy then we need someone else.
I agree with Hoyer starting the season, Manziel wasn't ready, and I agree if we can stay in playoff contention Hoyer gives us the best shot. However we just lost to the Jags. Playoff teams don't lose that game.
Yet the Seahawks just lost to the Rams... the Rams with their 3rd string QB. If we use your criteria there might not be enough playoff teams this year to fill the brackets.
You now know... now. You speak as if your mind was not made up prior to Sunday. It was. All here know it. Were it not you would have been here the last five weeks trying to figure it out with the rest of us. But you were not. Other than the tavern you've been were nowhere to be found for weeks... until Sunday's toe stub.
What I find amazing about your posts is the detailed reality you construct for you and you alone.
Example 1:"Everyone" credits Hoyer for our victories to the exclusion of all others, but blames loses on the team.
For someone who touts logic ad nauseum, yours is escapable.
... national media is having this discussion.
This is why we all know deep down that Hoyer won't resign if Manziel is here (just like the reports have said).
Walter is national media?
Why care about national media?
Example 2: Clinging to the discredited "Hoyer won't resign if..." storyline.
you think kirk cousins doesn't know the system? wonder why we don't/didn't bring him in? lol.
Classic...
As for Cousins threads... there are two to chose from:
Cousins http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28522&hl=cousins and
Could Kirk Cousins Follow Kyle Shanahan to the Browns? http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28337&hl=cousins
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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