Browns going to franchise Sean Jones?
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If this team loses Jones to keep Jamal I think i'm gonna sh|t my pants
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One thing we don't know that the new staff if privy to.................................Jones's long term health.
I got to think if they are willing to let him walk or let him go into the open market then they may know something we don't.
I don't think they keep Lewis at his salary either. He had some minor clean out surgery so I don't know where they are with him and his contract.
Kokinis did say that they haven't talked to any of their FAs yet. They have until Feb 27th to work something out with our FAs. After that they are free to talk to any other teams. I think that some players are going to get a wakeup call and realize that teams aren't willing to spend, like in prior years, with this economy.
IMO some of the top FAs will still get their price, but the middle of the road guys may get squeezed.
The new staff and Kokinis may just be waiting to see who gets tagged and who will be in FA before they decide on Jones and some others.
Personally, I like Jones even though he isn't the greatest in coverage and has had some injury issues but, I don't think I pay him over $6 million. He's good, but he isn't great.
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@shepwrite said:
They'll franchise Jones only if they have to while working on a long-term deal that's more cap friendly. We just have too many other needs to start letting guys like him go elsewhere. If Holly is healthy, you sign him, too, and focus on linebackers and another DE on defense.Robaire Smith is said to be close to 100 percent already and he's under contract. Returning him and getting healthy seasons from Corey Williams and Sean Jones would be huge... and allow us to put our resources toward two very serious linebackers in free agency and the draft.
Personally, I think a tag on Jones at this point might be the best bet. You do need a contract that is cap friendly because DA's is going to kill us. I think putting a tag on Jones would mean goodbye to Lewis because of his $6.4 mil contract. Cap hits would be about a trade off.
Team also needs to look at getting some guys like Steinbach, Thomas or Cory Williams to redo their contracts to relieve some cap pressure.
I think putting a tag on Jones would mean goodbye to Lewis because of his $6.4 mil contract.
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They are trying to get Lewis to do a new contract. He is due $6.4 million this year.
do you have a link to direct me to where you got that #? i just want to see it myself...cuz a # that big does change things a bit.
are these the #s: 4 mil bonus + a 2.4M base?
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Yeah, those are the numbers. And according to one report, the $2.4M base salary is guaranteed.
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It will be a huge loss if we let Jones get away. He will be a Pro Bowl Safety and his best days are in front of him!
It will be a huge loss if we let Jones get away. He will be a Pro Bowl Safety and his best days are in front of him!
and his character and attitude are great. he doesn't complain that i've ever heard, leads by example, and he's aggressive against the run. he makes picks and tackles well too. he's actually one of my favorite players......i'll admit i'd be pretty bummed if he left.
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Yeah, those are the numbers. And according to one report, the $2.4M base salary is guaranteed.
Aloysius said:
Yeah, those are the numbers. And according to one report, the $2.4M base salary is guaranteed.thanks A. like you said earlier, i hope they can come to some agreement. paying someone 2.4M to leave is a terrible business move! this seems to be a theme in Cleveland lately.
i'd be fine w/ the 4.4M you suggested Aloysius. sure hope JLew is.
**crosses fingers**
seriously though, just look at him! you wanna tackle that guy?!?
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I am somewhat biased. Sean Jones is the guy that I wanted the Browns to draft in the 2nd round of the 2004 Draft. Safeties used to be cheap to franchise. Not so anymore. It will cost $6,342,000 to Franchise a Safety in 2009. Do we really want to pay that much for a Safety? Is Jones really that good?
If it's true what the author of that article said, that "a very good front seven would propel Jones to the Pro Bowl," then it would be wise to franchise Jones and get him signed long term at around $4m per year with incentives that could make the pay higher.
Generally, starting Safeties are easy to find in the 2nd round. You're not likely to get a Sean Payton, Roy Williams, or Troy Polamalu in the 2nd, but a quality starter can be found rather easily in the 2nd round of most Drafts. Although, I think the amount of 2009's prospects is a bit thinner than usual.
'nfldraftbible.com said:
Designated NFL Franchise & Transition Tags For 2009Quarterback
Franchise: $14.651M
Transition: $12.440M
Running Back
Franchise: $6.621M
Transition: $5.925M
Wide Receiver
Franchise: $9.884M
Transition: $8.393M
Tight End
Franchise: $4.462M
Transition: $4.065M
Offensive Linemen
Franchise: $8.451M
Transition: $7.744M
Defensive Tackle
Franchise: $6.058M
Transition: $5.45M
Defensive End
Franchise: $8.991M
Transition: $7.777M
Linebacker
Franchise: $8.304M
Transition: $7.480M
Safety
Franchise: $6.342M
Transition: $5.130M
Cornerback
Franchise: $9.957M
Transition: $8.374M
Kicker/Punter
Franchise: $2.483M
Transition: $2.264M
http://www.nfldraftbible.com/All-Access-Fo...n_salaries.html
-Al
I am somewhat biased. Sean Jones is the guy that I wanted the Browns to draft in the 2nd round of the 2004 Draft. Safeties used to be cheap to franchise. Not so anymore. It will cost $6,342,000 to Franchise a Safety in 2009. Do we really want to pay that much for a Safety? Is Jones really that good?
No. He's too soft for that kind of money. Good riddance.
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I am somewhat biased. Sean Jones is the guy that I wanted the Browns to draft in the 2nd round of the 2004 Draft. Safeties used to be cheap to franchise. Not so anymore. It will cost $6,342,000 to Franchise a Safety in 2009. Do we really want to pay that much for a Safety? Is Jones really that good?
No. He's too soft for that kind of money. Good riddance.
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so how would you fill the void roach? a Pool/Adams tandem possibly?
Neither could play SS. The best in FA is Phillips but you also have guys like Jerrod Page, Will Allen and James Butler. There are also some very good SS that will be available in round 2 headed by Patrick Chung, who I love. Then again, it would be important to have some additional picks from a Anderson trade because there will be some nice looking LBs there in the 2nd round also.
It will be interesting to see how this staff goes with this situation. I don't think they will franchise Jones and pay him over $6 million.
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I guess the new staff has a different opinion because it doesn't look like he is going to be tagged. Butler from the Giants is a good option and way cheaper. Butler is a player also. I'd like to have him. I think he has better cover skills then Jones.
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I guess the new staff has a different opinion because it doesn't look like he is going to be tagged. Butler from the Giants is a good option and way cheaper. Butler is a player also. I'd like to have him. I think he has better cover skills then Jones.
I guess the new staff has a different opinion because it doesn't look like he is going to be tagged. Butler from the Giants is a good option and way cheaper. Butler is a player also. I'd like to have him. I think he has better cover skills then Jones.
I want my safety to lay the wood and be a ball hawk, corners cover.
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I guess the new staff has a different opinion because it doesn't look like he is going to be tagged. Butler from the Giants is a good option and way cheaper. Butler is a player also. I'd like to have him. I think he has better cover skills then Jones.
I want my safety to lay the wood and be a ball hawk, corners cover.
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I guess the new staff has a different opinion because it doesn't look like he is going to be tagged. Butler from the Giants is a good option and way cheaper. Butler is a player also. I'd like to have him. I think he has better cover skills then Jones.
I want my safety to lay the wood and be a ball hawk, corners cover.
AdaM said:
I want my safety to lay the wood and be a ball hawk, corners cover.Jones hasn't shown that "lay the wood" play for quite a while. If he did, I'm sure he would be looking at a new contract. He stopped hitting and can't cover and leaves the corners on an island too often.
Jones's has knee problems and none of us know if their's a problem there or not. Also, how much has that knee problem slowed him down? That is something I'm sure the coaches weigh in making their decision.
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so how would you fill the void roach? a Pool/Adams tandem possibly?
Sure that is worth exploring. i don't think the solution is necessarily on the current roster.
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