DL Depth Issue
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I presume, Gipper, you know that our DE's range from 285-320..? Sheard is 260 tops and by you asking him to move to DE that means sliding inside on passing downs. Which I have no issue with other than he won't hold the interior well of its a run play and Mingo won't hold the edge well either.
I presume, Gipper, you know that our DE's range from 285-320..? Sheard is 260 tops and by you asking him to move to DE that means sliding inside on passing downs. Which I have no issue with other than he won't hold the interior well of its a run play and Mingo won't hold the edge well either.
Both Sheard and Mingo would be better suited as a DE if we ran base 4-3 not the 3-4. In the 3-4 your ends need to be heavy ends. Sheard maybe but not Mingo.
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Nothing says Kirksey has to stay inside...
Then Robertson and Dansby as the only ILB. I'd rather have 5 DL than 5 LBs in a 3-4.
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Then Robertson and Dansby as the only ILB. I'd rather have 5 DL than 5 LBs in a 3-4.
And I'd rather be 3-deep at every position... but since we are not...
Carder can play... Martin is still on the roster... yes?
And who says the 3-4 I still the way to go?
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And I'd rather be 3-deep at every position... but since we are not...
Carder can play... Martin is still on the roster... yes?
And who says the 3-4 I still the way to go?
Carder, sure, Martin, sure. But there's a reason these guys aren't playing when we're only rotating three guys between two positions as it is.
Nothing to say we can't switch from 3-4, I agree, but the defence is starting to click a little now, so I'd be reluctant to make big schematic changes.
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I presume, Gipper, you know that our DE's range from 285-320..? Sheard is 260 tops and by you asking him to move to DE that means sliding inside on passing downs. Which I have no issue with other than he won't hold the interior well of its a run play and Mingo won't hold the edge well either.
I presume, Gipper, you know that our DE's range from 285-320..? Sheard is 260 tops and by you asking him to move to DE that means sliding inside on passing downs. Which I have no issue with other than he won't hold the interior well of its a run play and Mingo won't hold the edge well either.
A DE doesn't have to be that big. And why would a DE slide inside. They are called an "end" for a reason. They play on the end, not inside. Yes, I understand that some players are versatile enough to play inside and outside. Sure, if you have JJ Watt or Reggie White you can do that. We don't quite have that kind of versatile player. Besides, as noted before, Fred Dean, Charles Haley....these guys were tall, slim pass rushers. Mingo could do that.
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I'd like to see us return to the ENT with the standup 9tech (Kruger) That means Sheard could return to having his hand in the ground at a more "traditional" DE look. He'd be the weakside DE and the SDE would most likely be Big Phil (when healthy) allowing Rub, Hughes and Kitchen at the Nose and Winn to sub for Phil.
edit: Mingo could sub in for Sheard while he slides inside on passing downs.
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can't understand the inability of the coaching staff to utilize each player on the DL/LB to their each unique skill.
both pettine and o'brien were in love with mingo and wanted to draft him in buffalo.......as what, a OLB who drops back in coverage?
doubt it.
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this has all been a ploy. i see it now (smirk)
we want everybody in the league to think we're soft across the board for the first half and in the second half of the season when they turn on all cylinders after waiting it out like the lakers used to do,
yep.
wait until gordon gets back.
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I presume, Gipper, you know that our DE's range from 285-320..? Sheard is 260 tops and by you asking him to move to DE that means sliding inside on passing downs. Which I have no issue with other than he won't hold the interior well of its a run play and Mingo won't hold the edge well either.
A DE doesn't have to be that big. And why would a DE slide inside. They are called an "end" for a reason. They play on the end, not inside. Yes, I understand that some players are versatile enough to play inside and outside. Sure, if you have JJ Watt or Reggie White you can do that. We don't quite have that kind of versatile player. Besides, as noted before, Fred Dean, Charles Haley....these guys were tall, slim pass rushers. Mingo could do that.
A DE doesn't have to be that big.
... Fred Dean, Charles Haley....these guys were tall, slim pass rushers. Mingo could do that.
No they don't, but Fred Dean was from a different era and Haley was not Mingo slim. Even Kevin Greene had to finish his career as an OLB.
If on the small side they need to be both quick and agile, like Dwight Freeney... who BTW is now an OLB in San Diego.
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can't understand the inability of the coaching staff to utilize each player on the DL/LB to their each unique skill.
both pettine and o'brien were in love with mingo and wanted to draft him in buffalo.......as what, a OLB who drops back in coverage?
doubt it.
can't understand the inability of the coaching staff to utilize each player on the DL/LB to their each unique skill.
both pettine and o'brien were in love with mingo and wanted to draft him in buffalo.......as what, a OLB who drops back in coverage?
doubt it.
It's possible Mingo's just a workout warrior bust. In terms of getting the most out of their players, apart from the two games where he had massive pain killing injections, Kruger has looked streets ahead of last year. 5 sacks already on the season. 2 only for Sheard who was supposed to be the ace in the hole of this D is more worrying.
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can't understand the inability of the coaching staff to utilize each player on the DL/LB to their each unique skill.
both pettine and o'brien were in love with mingo and wanted to draft him in buffalo.......as what, a OLB who drops back in coverage?
doubt it.
It's possible Mingo's just a workout warrior bust. In terms of getting the most out of their players, apart from the two games where he had massive pain killing injections, Kruger has looked streets ahead of last year. 5 sacks already on the season. 2 only for Sheard who was supposed to be the ace in the hole of this D is more worrying.
It's possible Mingo's just a workout warrior bust. In terms of getting the most out of their players, apart from the two games where he had massive pain killing injections, Kruger has looked streets ahead of last year. 5 sacks already on the season. 2 only for Sheard who was supposed to be the ace in the hole of this D is more worrying.
what is more troubling that our defense with better players (meh + - some positions) playing under a DC<HC looks worst on the field, than last year with some bum scrub flappy that coached the team but had basically the same perosnnel and had them ranked within the top ten.
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A DE doesn't have to be that big.
... Fred Dean, Charles Haley....these guys were tall, slim pass rushers. Mingo could do that.
No they don't, but Fred Dean was from a different era and Haley was not Mingo slim. Even Kevin Greene had to finish his career as an OLB.
If on the small side they need to be both quick and agile, like Dwight Freeney... who BTW is now an OLB in San Diego.
No they don't, but Fred Dean was from a different era and Haley was not Mingo slim. Even Kevin Greene had to finish his career as an OLB.
If on the small side they need to be both quick and agile, like Dwight Freeney... who BTW is now an OLB in San Diego.
The big difference here is not body type......it's that Dean, Haley and Greene could all tackle well.....they were finishers....lets face it, Mingo can rush and he can cover, but he canNOT tackle well or finish the play.....
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John Hughes out for at least 6 weeks, probably 8. On IR Designated to Return.
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Mingo's big issue is body control. He's so fast off the ball and runs a bit high that he arrives at the QB and/or ball carrier recklessly. Generally a product of two things,being inexperienced (which he is, and needs more reps on the edge) and trying to hard to make a play. If he reads his keys, plays fast and disciplined, good things will happen.
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No they don't, but Fred Dean was from a different era and Haley was not Mingo slim. Even Kevin Greene had to finish his career as an OLB.
If on the small side they need to be both quick and agile, like Dwight Freeney... who BTW is now an OLB in San Diego.
The big difference here is not body type......it's that Dean, Haley and Greene could all tackle well.....they were finishers....lets face it, Mingo can rush and he can cover, but he canNOT tackle well or finish the play.....
The big difference here is not body type......it's that Dean, Haley and Greene could all tackle well.....they were finishers....lets face it, Mingo can rush and he can cover, but he canNOT tackle well or finish the play.....
Well, I think he could be coached better to learn to tackle better. Tackling is very much a technique that should be able to be learned.
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John Hughes out for at least 6 weeks, probably 8. On IR Designated to Return.
John Hughes out for at least 6 weeks, probably 8. On IR Designated to Return.
Well, that leaves us 2 main DL cogs down: The Sausage King and Armonty Bryant.
We now have the following in the DL: Winn, Taylor, Rubin, Kitchen, D. Bryant, Fua Plus Jacobbi McDaniel still on the PS.
So...who is the Fua? A guy they picked up after Armonty Bryant went down? Does he bring anything to the table.
And what about the health situation of Taylor, Rubin, Winn. Didn't they each miss some time due to injury?
So, with all these DL gone, then the Browns are going to have to run more 3-4 if Sheard and Mingo are going to stay at the OLB slots.
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Mingo's big issue is body control. He's so fast off the ball and runs a bit high that he arrives at the QB and/or ball carrier recklessly. Generally a product of two things,being inexperienced (which he is, and needs more reps on the edge) and trying to hard to make a play. If he reads his keys, plays fast and disciplined, good things will happen.
Mingo's big issue is body control. He's so fast off the ball and runs a bit high that he arrives at the QB and/or ball carrier recklessly.
I hope you are right. I hope Mingo is lacking a learnable skill.
But I fear it's a deeper issue. I fear it's a case of innate straight-line speed without innate agility.
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