We blew it on Watkins.
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How'd your boy Sammy do against a real CB like Revis?? Was it 2 catches, 27 yards??
Call me when he (or your whole team for that matter) beats somebody decent, and who gameplans against him...
Can't wait to watch Watkins and Haden matchup. That'll tell you something about your "Golden Boy"...
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Until Watkins is paired with a real qb we can't even begin to calculate his upside. He's done what's he's done this year with awful QB play. That kid would be leading the NFL with Hoyer throwing to him. Ok not the Hoyer from the JAX game but good Brian Hoyer from the first 5 or so games. If you just added Watkins production in Buffalo, with their shitty QB's...he'd have us at the top of the AFC North. We may have only lost one game up till now. But like I said you put him on our WR corp and his numbers would be even greater. Who knows, you might even be able to take the JAX game off the board because Watkins would have drawn more of their coverage downfield and some other things may have opened up..perhaps the run game. I dunno. I'm just saying that's the kind of impact player he is "right now"...I feel almost 100% confident that with him on our team we'd have "at least" two of those losses off the board. Given what our offense has done so far and what Hoyer did through the first couple games.
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Until Watkins is paired with a real qb we can't even begin to calculate his upside. He's done what's he's done this year with awful QB play. That kid would be leading the NFL with Hoyer throwing to him. Ok not the Hoyer from the JAX game but good Brian Hoyer from the first 5 or so games. If you just added Watkins production in Buffalo, with their shitty QB's...he'd have us at the top of the AFC North. We may have only lost one game up till now. But like I said you put him on our WR corp and his numbers would be even greater. Who knows, you might even be able to take the JAX game off the board because Watkins would have drawn more of their coverage downfield and some other things may have opened up..perhaps the run game. I dunno. I'm just saying that's the kind of impact player he is "right now"...I feel almost 100% confident that with him on our team we'd have "at least" two of those losses off the board. Given what our offense has done so far and what Hoyer did through the first couple games.
Until Watkins is paired with a real qb we can't even begin to calculate his upside. He's done what's he's done this year with awful QB play. That kid would be leading the NFL with Hoyer throwing to him. Ok not the Hoyer from the JAX game but good Brian Hoyer from the first 5 or so games. If you just added Watkins production in Buffalo, with their shitty QB's...he'd have us at the top of the AFC North. We may have only lost one game up till now. But like I said you put him on our WR corp and his numbers would be even greater. Who knows, you might even be able to take the JAX game off the board because Watkins would have drawn more of their coverage downfield and some other things may have opened up..perhaps the run game. I dunno. I'm just saying that's the kind of impact player he is "right now"...I feel almost 100% confident that with him on our team we'd have "at least" two of those losses off the board. Given what our offense has done so far and what Hoyer did through the first couple games.
A lot of guessing and excuses here. You can't make any of those claims.
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Until Watkins is paired with a real qb we can't even begin to calculate his upside. He's done what's he's done this year with awful QB play. That kid would be leading the NFL with Hoyer throwing to him. Ok not the Hoyer from the JAX game but good Brian Hoyer from the first 5 or so games. If you just added Watkins production in Buffalo, with their shitty QB's...he'd have us at the top of the AFC North. We may have only lost one game up till now. But like I said you put him on our WR corp and his numbers would be even greater. Who knows, you might even be able to take the JAX game off the board because Watkins would have drawn more of their coverage downfield and some other things may have opened up..perhaps the run game. I dunno. I'm just saying that's the kind of impact player he is "right now"...I feel almost 100% confident that with him on our team we'd have "at least" two of those losses off the board. Given what our offense has done so far and what Hoyer did through the first couple games.
A lot of guessing and excuses here. You can't make any of those claims.
A lot of guessing and excuses here. You can't make any of those claims.
yes it's true I can't make them with "absolute" certainty. Sammy Watkins could have come here to Cleveland and been a bum. Instead he went to Buffalo and was like at least it's not Cleveland and decided to play hard for them. I just cna't see how at least the first Pgh and Blt games wouldn't have gone our way with that dude flying through those, at least at the time, awful secondaries.
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Until Watkins is paired with a real qb we can't even begin to calculate his upside. He's done what's he's done this year with awful QB play. That kid would be leading the NFL with Hoyer throwing to him. Ok not the Hoyer from the JAX game but good Brian Hoyer from the first 5 or so games. If you just added Watkins production in Buffalo, with their shitty QB's...he'd have us at the top of the AFC North. We may have only lost one game up till now. But like I said you put him on our WR corp and his numbers would be even greater. Who knows, you might even be able to take the JAX game off the board because Watkins would have drawn more of their coverage downfield and some other things may have opened up..perhaps the run game. I dunno. I'm just saying that's the kind of impact player he is "right now"...I feel almost 100% confident that with him on our team we'd have "at least" two of those losses off the board. Given what our offense has done so far and what Hoyer did through the first couple games.
Until Watkins is paired with a real qb we can't even begin to calculate his upside. He's done what's he's done this year with awful QB play.
Really? The last 4 games their "awful QB play" has looked like this:
95 of 141, 67.4% 1128 yards, 9 TDs, 3 INTs, 104.0 QB Rating
Jeez... that's awful...
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last 4 games? I thought Manuel's only been gone for 2 or 3 games...and wasn't his QBR like 19 or something? IN any case with Hoyer throwing to him...ffs.
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A lot of guessing and excuses here. You can't make any of those claims.
yes it's true I can't make them with "absolute" certainty. Sammy Watkins could have come here to Cleveland and been a bum. Instead he went to Buffalo and was like at least it's not Cleveland and decided to play hard for them. I just cna't see how at least the first Pgh and Blt games wouldn't have gone our way with that dude flying through those, at least at the time, awful secondaries.
yes it's true I can't make them with "absolute" certainty. Sammy Watkins could have come here to Cleveland and been a bum. Instead he went to Buffalo and was like at least it's not Cleveland and decided to play hard for them. I just cna't see how at least the first Pgh and Blt games wouldn't have gone our way with that dude flying through those, at least at the time, awful secondaries.
I'm talking about how you said we'd be 6-1, Watkins would be leading the NFL with Hoyer, etc. Not whether or not he'd be good.
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yes it's true I can't make them with "absolute" certainty. Sammy Watkins could have come here to Cleveland and been a bum. Instead he went to Buffalo and was like at least it's not Cleveland and decided to play hard for them. I just cna't see how at least the first Pgh and Blt games wouldn't have gone our way with that dude flying through those, at least at the time, awful secondaries.
I'm talking about how you said we'd be 6-1, Watkins would be leading the NFL with Hoyer, etc. Not whether or not he'd be good.
I'm talking about how you said we'd be 6-1, Watkins would be leading the NFL with Hoyer, etc. Not whether or not he'd be good.
It's the first Blt and Pgh games that we lost by 3 points. I can't help but feel that as well as our offense has played, putting that guy on our team is at least 1 extra TD a game either from him or someone else like Cameron who would have gotten less attention. Imo Watkins is that good. One extra TD in both of those games is the "minimum" in my eyes. Either an extra TD or a couple extra field goals. In either case I think he helps us make up at least those 3 points in both games.
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Until Watkins is paired with a real qb we can't even begin to calculate his upside. He's done what's he's done this year with awful QB play. That kid would be leading the NFL with Hoyer throwing to him. Ok not the Hoyer from the JAX game but good Brian Hoyer from the first 5 or so games. If you just added Watkins production in Buffalo, with their shitty QB's...he'd have us at the top of the AFC North. We may have only lost one game up till now. But like I said you put him on our WR corp and his numbers would be even greater. Who knows, you might even be able to take the JAX game off the board because Watkins would have drawn more of their coverage downfield and some other things may have opened up..perhaps the run game. I dunno. I'm just saying that's the kind of impact player he is "right now"...I feel almost 100% confident that with him on our team we'd have "at least" two of those losses off the board. Given what our offense has done so far and what Hoyer did through the first couple games.
Until Watkins is paired with a real qb we can't even begin to calculate his upside. He's done what's he's done this year with awful QB play. That kid would be leading the NFL with Hoyer throwing to him. Ok not the Hoyer from the JAX game but good Brian Hoyer from the first 5 or so games. If you just added Watkins production in Buffalo, with their shitty QB's...he'd have us at the top of the AFC North. We may have only lost one game up till now. But like I said you put him on our WR corp and his numbers would be even greater. Who knows, you might even be able to take the JAX game off the board because Watkins would have drawn more of their coverage downfield and some other things may have opened up..perhaps the run game. I dunno. I'm just saying that's the kind of impact player he is "right now"...I feel almost 100% confident that with him on our team we'd have "at least" two of those losses off the board. Given what our offense has done so far and what Hoyer did through the first couple games.
Pure speculation. FWIW, no one is saying Watkins isn't any good, or potentially going to be an eventual top 10 wr. What just about everyone else on this board is saying- we didn't draft him, and it's time to move on. I also pointed out Julio Jones IS a top 10 wr #6 in yards- look it up, and the Falcons are 2-6. Big impact? Not really.
It's the first Blt and Pgh games that we lost by 3 points. I can't help but feel that as well as our offense has played, putting that guy on our team is at least 1 extra TD a game either from him or someone else like Cameron who would have gotten less attention. Imo Watkins is that good. One extra TD in both of those games is the "minimum" in my eyes. Either an extra TD or a couple extra field goals. In either case I think he helps us make up at least those 3 points in both games.
So start him in your fantasy league, because he won't be playing for the Browns anytime soon.
Farmer made that trade because in his eyes Watkins wasn't worth a future first and fourth round pick. He's not thinking just THIS YEAR- no great GM does. So Watkins could be even more incredibly great, IF the Bills just had a great quarterback? So where do you suppose they're going to get one in the foreseeable future, short of an alien spaceship depositing one in Rich Stadium? They don't have a first round pick next year- so the only way they could possibly trade back up into the low first is sacrifice their second and third round picks- which essentially leaves them with no draft- or start trading away key defensive players to move up- and you never get fair value for a player come draft day. BTW, the Patriots got Randy Moss for a fourth round pick. If Farmer wants to go the trade route to get a complimentary wr for Gordon, he's got plenty of ammo to do so.
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I'm talking about how you said we'd be 6-1, Watkins would be leading the NFL with Hoyer, etc. Not whether or not he'd be good.
It's the first Blt and Pgh games that we lost by 3 points. I can't help but feel that as well as our offense has played, putting that guy on our team is at least 1 extra TD a game either from him or someone else like Cameron who would have gotten less attention. Imo Watkins is that good. One extra TD in both of those games is the "minimum" in my eyes. Either an extra TD or a couple extra field goals. In either case I think he helps us make up at least those 3 points in both games.
It's the first Blt and Pgh games that we lost by 3 points. I can't help but feel that as well as our offense has played, putting that guy on our team is at least 1 extra TD a game either from him or someone else like Cameron who would have gotten less attention. Imo Watkins is that good. One extra TD in both of those games is the "minimum" in my eyes. Either an extra TD or a couple extra field goals. In either case I think he helps us make up at least those 3 points in both games.
A touchdown a game from a rookie WR? Yah.
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My God what a boring thread. Is it Sunday yet?
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George C said:
Well, Farmer had a chance to draft greatness, and he chose another potential bust, and a draft pick instead..
If this doesn't pan out, add Farmer to the giant scrap heap of "great" cleveland General managers.
I'm just a little tired of bust draft picks that keep piling up..
Good lord, this gets very old very quickly. 9 posts in and you've already proven yourself an idiot.
Best to keep quiet and be suspected an idiot, and all that.
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Let's have a contest of the worst, most ignorant threads started on this board.
This one will be nominated very quickly.....
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Orton is, and always has been, a good backup QB. If bills fans think he's the future idk what they're high on.
lol the future is overrated. He's good. Best QB we have had in a while. I have no complaints and I can;t wait until we smoke you in a couple weeks in Buffalo and make that draft pick even lower lol. You passed on a star for a average CB lol. Good luck justifying that in a few years when Watkins is chillin at the Pro Bowl every year and you know deep down if you had him and Gordon you might be making trips to the Super Bowl. Instead u will get a late 20's pick, probably a guard or CB LOL.
Instead u will get a late 20's pick, probably a guard or CB LOL.
Next year, we will pick THREE players before the Bills pick even one. So you all can watch Sammy highlights, while we pick players.
Id also point out that K. Benjiman was a late 20's pick and he's playing as well as Sammy. It would be extra freaking hilarious if the Browns tapped a star receiver with that Bills pick. Yes it would.
And the Bills will not even pick until at least #45(or later). Let's see if they draft ANOTHER wr to prove your point. k?
And with the 47th pick of the 2015 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select-----Amari Cooper WR------(Super Bowl baby!!!!)
And you say lol?????......I do believe that is our line......
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Instead u will get a late 20's pick, probably a guard or CB LOL.
Next year, we will pick THREE players before the Bills pick even one. So you all can watch Sammy highlights, while we pick players.
Id also point out that K. Benjiman was a late 20's pick and he's playing as well as Sammy. It would be extra freaking hilarious if the Browns tapped a star receiver with that Bills pick. Yes it would.
And the Bills will not even pick until at least #45(or later). Let's see if they draft ANOTHER wr to prove your point. k?
And with the 47th pick of the 2015 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select-----Amari Cooper WR------(Super Bowl baby!!!!)
And you say lol?????......I do believe that is our line......
Next year, we will pick THREE players before the Bills pick even one. So you all can watch Sammy highlights, while we pick players.
Id also point out that K. Benjiman was a late 20's pick and he's playing as well as Sammy. It would be extra freaking hilarious if the Browns tapped a star receiver with that Bills pick. Yes it would.
And the Bills will not even pick until at least #45(or later). Let's see if they draft ANOTHER wr to prove your point. k?
And with the 47th pick of the 2015 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select-----Amari Cooper WR------(Super Bowl baby!!!!)
And you say lol?????......I do believe that is our line......
Brandin Cooks, 20th overall. He'll do, or Benjamin.
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Q Does Samy Watkins play for the Cleveland Browns?
A No.
Conclusion: Fuck Sammy Watkins
Thank you.
WSS
Q Does Samy Watkins play for the Cleveland Browns?
A No.
Conclusion: Fuck Sammy Watkins
Thank you.
WSS
Heh!
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I don't think Benjamin or Cooks will be as good as Watkins in the long run.
In fact the rookie receiver who's impressed me the most (beside Watkins) is John Brown for the Arizona Cardinals. Played for Pittsburgh State.
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I don't think Benjamin or Cooks will be as good as Watkins in the long run.
In fact the rookie receiver who's impressed me the most (beside Watkins) is John Brown for the Arizona Cardinals. Played for Pittsburgh State.
I don't think Benjamin or Cooks will be as good as Watkins in the long run.
In fact the rookie receiver who's impressed me the most (beside Watkins) is John Brown for the Arizona Cardinals. Played for Pittsburgh State.
We don't need a hall of fame receiver - if Gordon stays on the field, he'll be that. We need another capable player, that can at least draw a little coverage, and stop the D focusing on Gordon. Benjamin or Cooks would be very good complements to Gordon.
Of course, if Gordon ends up out of the league in a year or two, we're back looking for the big time receiver.
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I don't think Benjamin or Cooks will be as good as Watkins in the long run.
In fact the rookie receiver who's impressed me the most (beside Watkins) is John Brown for the Arizona Cardinals. Played for Pittsburgh State.
We don't need a hall of fame receiver - if Gordon stays on the field, he'll be that. We need another capable player, that can at least draw a little coverage, and stop the D focusing on Gordon. Benjamin or Cooks would be very good complements to Gordon.
Of course, if Gordon ends up out of the league in a year or two, we're back looking for the big time receiver.
We don't need a hall of fame receiver - if Gordon stays on the field, he'll be that. We need another capable player, that can at least draw a little coverage
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We don't need a hall of fame receiver - if Gordon stays on the field, he'll be that. We need another capable player, that can at least draw a little coverage
Sure, it's not compulsory. Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson aren't doing much for Washington, and Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans are doing less for Tampa. Megatron is still ringless.
But when you look at the group of people we've had the last few years, outside of Gordon - Little, Bess, Josh Cooper, Mohammed Massequoi, Brian Robiskie - you understand that you need at least serviceable people that either the QB can throw open, or the OC can scheme open.
And as it stands, we do have an elite WR in Gordon, so even though it's not necessary, we have one, so lets be happy with that.
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