Do juiced-up Steelers teams deserve asterisks?
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They are a disgrace to the NFL and what it represents.
This is exactly what the national media has been saying since the Super Bowl - every day, I turn on ESPN, everybody is saying that the Steelers are the disgrace of the NFL.
You people live in a f.ucking bubble and it must stink like hell in there.
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They are a disgrace to the NFL and what it represents.
This is exactly what the national media has been saying since the Super Bowl - every day, I turn on ESPN, everybody is saying that the Steelers are the disgrace of the NFL.
You people live in a f.ucking bubble and it must stink like hell in there.
This is exactly what the national media has been saying since the Super Bowl - every day, I turn on ESPN, everybody is saying that the Steelers are the disgrace of the NFL.
You people live in a f.ucking bubble and it must stink like hell in there.
Hey, were you the last guy to get a piece of the Rock?
Truth hurst don't it sunshine?
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This is exactly what the national media has been saying since the Super Bowl - every day, I turn on ESPN, everybody is saying that the Steelers are the disgrace of the NFL.
You people live in a f.ucking bubble and it must stink like hell in there.
Hey, were you the last guy to get a piece of the Rock?
Truth hurst don't it sunshine?
Hey, were you the last guy to get a piece of the Rock?
Truth hurst don't it sunshine?
Nope - I just remember Rocky Bleier - 5 foot nothing, slow as hell, with a foot blown to s.hit, ripping off a 60+ yard run with nobody in site behind him........what team did he burn again? Man - its easy kicking a.ss over here.
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If you include our AFC champion trophies (the equivalent of the ones you Brownies promote) that puts us at 13.
Browns Super Bowl appearances = 0.
Browns AFC Championship vicotries = 0.
It's impressive winning 8 trophies against what was it back then 6 teams. Can't wait to see your highlight reels...hmmm was TV even invented back then? Oh I'm so envious.
Endymion said:
If you include our AFC champion trophies (the equivalent of the ones you Brownies promote) that puts us at 13.Browns Super Bowl appearances = 0.
Browns AFC Championship vicotries = 0.
It's impressive winning 8 trophies against what was it back then 6 teams. Can't wait to see your highlight reels...hmmm was TV even invented back then? Oh I'm so envious.
You know everyone throws in the amount of teams like that is a strike against the Browns cause there was only 6 Pro Teams, that would make it harder, why cause with less teams, less chance of a water downed team making it. IE like the 8-8 teams making it to the playoffs of today.
and the AFC championship does not equate to the NFL championships.
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Plumcrazy: What. Do you think the teams the Steelers played against were not using too? I have some swamp land in Florida I want to sell you. I'm not saying it's not cheating.. It is. But it's not just isolated to Pissburgh.
Plumcrazy: What. Do you think the teams the Steelers played against were not using too? I have some swamp land in Florida I want to sell you. I'm not saying it's not cheating.. It is. But it's not just isolated to Pissburgh.
It's pretty widely known that the Steelers had 80% of their offensive and defensive lines bench pressing between 500 and 625 pounds in the 70s which far exceeded how widespread other teams were using roids.
To answer your question though Sez, YES, other teams had a few guys tops using at that point in time.
In 1 breath the media wants to tell me we shouldn't count McGuire, Bonds and A-rod in the record books and in the next breath the SAME people are telling me I need to appreciate 4 Superbowls in the 70s. Ready for this? The Cleveland Browns were in 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship Title Games from 1946 through 1955 and won more than half of those BEFORE we even knew the Russians were using steroids.
Like I said, if they're gonna call people out - don't be SELECTIVE. The NFL only tests 2% of it's players today for drugs that were used in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Today's drug of choice is HGH which is one the NFL cannot detect with its outdated tests. The Steelers had a team doctor being investigated for excessive HGH volumes purchased for his clinical practice on the Rooney homefront. How else do you turn around 5-7 with an 8-0 finish? HGH allows guys to play through pain and heal up quicker. Guess how many Steelers were on IR in 2008?
Read False Glory or archive the SI stories - it's all there and it's much more than a coincidence.
- Tom F.
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Plumcrazy: What. Do you think the teams the Steelers played against were not using too? I have some swamp land in Florida I want to sell you. I'm not saying it's not cheating.. It is. But it's not just isolated to Pissburgh.
It's pretty widely known that the Steelers had 80% of their offensive and defensive lines bench pressing between 500 and 625 pounds in the 70s which far exceeded how widespread other teams were using roids.
To answer your question though Sez, YES, other teams had a few guys tops using at that point in time.
In 1 breath the media wants to tell me we shouldn't count McGuire, Bonds and A-rod in the record books and in the next breath the SAME people are telling me I need to appreciate 4 Superbowls in the 70s. Ready for this? The Cleveland Browns were in 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship Title Games from 1946 through 1955 and won more than half of those BEFORE we even knew the Russians were using steroids.
Like I said, if they're gonna call people out - don't be SELECTIVE. The NFL only tests 2% of it's players today for drugs that were used in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Today's drug of choice is HGH which is one the NFL cannot detect with its outdated tests. The Steelers had a team doctor being investigated for excessive HGH volumes purchased for his clinical practice on the Rooney homefront. How else do you turn around 5-7 with an 8-0 finish? HGH allows guys to play through pain and heal up quicker. Guess how many Steelers were on IR in 2008?
Read False Glory or archive the SI stories - it's all there and it's much more than a coincidence.
- Tom F.
It's pretty widely known that the Steelers had 80% of their offensive and defensive lines bench pressing between 500 and 625 pounds in the 70s which far exceeded how widespread other teams were using roids.
To answer your question though Sez, YES, other teams had a few guys tops using at that point in time.
In 1 breath the media wants to tell me we shouldn't count McGuire, Bonds and A-rod in the record books and in the next breath the SAME people are telling me I need to appreciate 4 Superbowls in the 70s. Ready for this? The Cleveland Browns were in 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship Title Games from 1946 through 1955 and won more than half of those BEFORE we even knew the Russians were using steroids.
Like I said, if they're gonna call people out - don't be SELECTIVE. The NFL only tests 2% of it's players today for drugs that were used in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Today's drug of choice is HGH which is one the NFL cannot detect with its outdated tests. The Steelers had a team doctor being investigated for excessive HGH volumes purchased for his clinical practice on the Rooney homefront. How else do you turn around 5-7 with an 8-0 finish? HGH allows guys to play through pain and heal up quicker. Guess how many Steelers were on IR in 2008?
Read False Glory or archive the SI stories - it's all there and it's much more than a coincidence.
- Tom F.
so NOW your sayin Greene , Greenwood , Holmes , and White were on Roids ...??? I have never Read anywhere that was suspected... Steve Furness ? Yes ... A couple O-Lineman or so ok .... You guys constantly OVERESTIMATE all of this Crap. And don't try t think or imply that only a few here and there were doing this As the Steelers were winning ...that's BS. Even Mike Golic said it was Fairly Rampant according the Veterans he played with in Houston. So , let this Bull Go. Its sour Grapes to the maxxxx... and you guys sound like cry babies yapping over and over and over.
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I can't begin to imagine what that locker room must have been like.
I picture a combination of The Wire (with needles and syringes lying everywhere) and Halloween (with oral Dbol, Anavar and Winny) in baskets all over the place.
"Like Steelers in a steroid store."
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Zombo said:
No ... it's perfectly normal to punch to punch a player in the gut and then kick him while he's down (Greene) ... have an emotional breakdown while driving on the Ohio Turnpike and firing shots at a police helicopter that is pursuing you (Holmes) ... dying form a heat attack when you are 49( Furness) ... and dying from a blod clot in your lung at age 58 (White) ... noooo those guys weren't on anything.Zombo
--3 out of 5 dead before 60 ... perfectly normal
Thats Insane dude. Furness YES... Holmes ..hmmm. White Many die young form these things. And Joe Greene BS !!! He was just a Mean Competitor. Give it up. Sour Grapes.
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I can't begin to imagine what that locker room must have been like.
I picture a combination of The Wire (with needles and syringes lying everywhere) and Halloween (with oral Dbol, Anavar and Winny) in baskets all over the place.
"Like Steelers in a steroid store."
I can't begin to imagine what that locker room must have been like.
I picture a combination of The Wire (with needles and syringes lying everywhere) and Halloween (with oral Dbol, Anavar and Winny) in baskets all over the place.
"Like Steelers in a steroid store."
Come on....You guys have Nice "Imaginations" and that`s about what most of your Anti~Steeler Posts are here "Imagination"...
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Zombo said:
So ... two for sure ... the third was a coincidence(?) ... but never, ever "Mr. Competitor" (Bonds and Clemens weren't competitors?)They are all in the same locker room ... playing on the same defensive line ... and two of them were obviously using ... yet you're not buying the whole smoke/fire thing?
Why, cause you shed a tear when Mean Joe threw the kid the jersey? Give me a break ... they were all tainted.
Zombo
Sour Grapes Dude.... And as I said , even if we had say 5 or 6 they were FAR from ALONE on a League Level !!! SOUR GRAPES !
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Add to this You guys are the Only ones beating this Dead horse. Newspaper in Orland Printed this.:
> > The Steel City is toast of the sports world
> > Mike Bianchi
> > SPORTS COMMENTARY
> > February 2, 2009
> > TAMPA
> > One of the heroes of the game nearly became a bus driver.
> >
> > The owner of the team walks to work every day. The fans of the team drink Iron City beer, wave dish towels and ignored the slumping economy to make their pigskin pilgrimage and turn this Super Bowl into a Sunshine State version of the Steel City .
> >
> > This is why America should celebrate now that Pittsburgh is the home of more Super Bowl championships than any franchise in the history of pro football: Because the players are hungry, the owner is humble and the fans are loyal.
> >
> > What more could you want out of the NFL's champion of champions? And what more could you want from a Super Bowl?
> > From Jennifer Hudson's rema rkable rendition of the national anthem Sunday to the Boss bringing down the house at halftime to Santonio Holmes making one of the greatest catches in NFL history, the Steelers' 27-23 victory will go down as a Super Bowl for the ages.
> > The Steelers, by virtue of their unbelievable, inconceivable defeat of the Arizona Cardinals, have now won a record sixth Super Bowl.
> >
> > They are a small-market team that doesn't pay big-time salaries and yet they somehow continue to win year after year.
> > In these trying economic times, how can you not feel good that it's the Steelers who have become the model franchise in all of professional sports?
> > Some other of the NFL's other dynastic franchises have come and gone, but the Steelers just keep coming.
> > The Dallas Cowboys? They make headlines because their quarterback dates Jessica Simpson, but they haven't won a playoff game in a dozen years.
> >
> >
> > In contrast, Pittsburgh's quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is the youngest quarterback (26) to win two Super Bowls.
> >
> > The Steelers are the New York Yankees of the NFL — without the arrogance and the payroll. George Steinbrenner buys championships; the Rooney family builds them.
> >
> > Every one of Pittsburgh's star players — Roethlisberger, Troy Polamalu, Willie Parker, Hines War d and James Harrison — were either drafted by the team or discovered off the street.
> > Harrison , with his spectacular 100-yard interception return at the end of the first half, made one of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history Sunday. He was undrafted out of college, signed as a rookie free agent by the Steelers in 2002 and nearly quit football during his struggling early years to become a Greyhound bus driver.
> >
> > This is why the Steelers should be celebrated. They win without the knuckleheads that dot so many professional rosters.
> >
> > As great a story as it was for the New York Giants to upset the undefeated Patriots in last year's Super Bowl, the star of the Giants team was knucklehead wide receiver Plaxico Burress. Yes, the same Burress who couldn't cut it in Pittsburgh because Pittsburgh doesn't tolerate knuckleheads. When Burress left town, the Steelers drafted Holmes, plugged him into Burress' spot and were rewarded big-time Sunday.
> >
> > With 35 seconds left, Roethlisberger drilled the ball into triple coverage in the corner of the end zone. Somehow, Holmes was able to come down with the ball and barely get both of his tippy-toes in bounds for the touchdown.
> >
> > "I threw the ball and thought it was going to be picked," Roethlisberger acknowledged. Instead, Raymond James Stadium, filled with battalions of Terrible Towel-waving Steelers fans, erupted in a cacophony of black-and-gold bliss.
> >
> > How can you not love a franchise built on the passion, pride, patienc e and principal Pittsburgh exudes?
> >
> > Steelers Coach Mike Tomlin is a perfect example. At 36, he became the youngest coach to win a Super Bowl.
> > But how did he become a head coach at such a young age? Because team owner Dan Rooney was willing to take a chance on him. Rooney is the creator of the NFL's so-called Rooney Rule — the mandate that requires NFL clubs to interview minority candidates before hiring a head coach. "I'm just grateful for this chance," Tomlin said afterward. "He [Rooney] took some criticism for hiring a young coach with not much experience."
> >
> > It should also be noted that Tomlin is only the third coach the Rooneys have hired in 40 seasons. Remember when the Orlando Magic once had three coaches in the same calendar year?
> >
> > Is it any wonder President Barack Obama made the unusual political move of actually endorsing Rooney's team this week?
> >
> > Proof positive that if you can't appreciate the Pittsburgh Steelers, then you're simply being un-American.
> >
> > Mike Bianchi's Open Mike blog can be read at OrlandoSentinel.com/openmike, and he can be reached at [email protected].
> > Copyright © 2009, Orlando Sentinel
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Zombo said:
No ... it's perfectly normal to punch to punch a player in the gut and then kick him while he's down (Greene) ... have an emotional breakdown while driving on the Ohio Turnpike and firing shots at a police helicopter that is pursuing you (Holmes) ... dying from a heat attack when you are 49( Furness) ... and dying from a blod clot in your lung at age 58 (White) ... noooo those guys weren't on anything.Zombo
--3 out of 5 dead before 60 ... perfectly normal
White had health problems from the word go.
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Zombo said:
No ... it's perfectly normal to punch to punch a player in the gut and then kick him while he's down (Greene) ... have an emotional breakdown while driving on the Ohio Turnpike and firing shots at a police helicopter that is pursuing you (Holmes) ... dying from a heat attack when you are 49( Furness) ... and dying from a blod clot in your lung at age 58 (White) ... noooo those guys weren't on anything.Zombo
--3 out of 5 dead before 60 ... perfectly normal
White had health problems from the word go.
White had health problems from the word go.
That's one theory. The other theory is he had health problems from the needle and syringes.
Steve Courson knew more about this than any fan.
I'll tell you the juicers on both lines:
Larry Brown, Jon Kolb, Mike Webster, Steve Courson. Double check my math - is that 80% of 5 starting offensive linemen?
Dwight White, Joe Green and Ernie Holmes (w/ the following juicers rotating in: Banasac and Furness = .5) - double check my math is 3.5 of the starting 4 on Defense about 80%?
I think I did pretty good with that estimate. I'd say 80% is alot more concentrated than other teams had. Then again, so did Courson, who was actually a member of that team sharing needles and syringes with other cheaters. False Glory was written about cheating and being piss poor role models. It was more about shame and burying teammates prematurely than celebrating counterfeit jewelry.
Steeler fans are in denial. Let's face it SMART cities, states and countries don't throw parades for Ben Johnson types. Seriously, nobody celebrated Ben Johnson and nobody cares about Barry Bonds home run record. When people think of the 70s they sight the Steelers and call that the steroids era like it or not. Where there's smoke - there's usually fire. And trust me, someone gave a box of matches to a pyromaniac with that one.
- Tom F. (When you have a bunch of guys willing to experiment with drugs to the level of Jerry Garcia - you have what we commonly refer to as "The Grateful Dead")
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You know I used to rag the Squeeler fans about Roids just to piss them off, BUT there is a landslide of evidence that it really was the case. These reports aren't just coming from one or two directions. The Orlando Sentinel's puff piece isn't going to change ANY of that.
As for bad officiating. Watch the replays of the last 6 or 7 Super Bowls on NFLN...I have. Take a count of the "iffy" officiating calls in those games compared to those in the two Squeeler "victorys." If you aren't blind, you'll notice that the two Taintsburgh games were BY FAR over-officiated and that the calls that mattered most seemed to go to the Cheaters.
Someday, in the future, someone is going to write an unflattering book about the 00's Taintsburgh organization, which ironically is the same as the 70's Taintsburgh organization.
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Doug
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http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/average-li...tball-player-52
Studies in the United States show that men who play five or more years in the NFL have a life expectancy of 55, 20 years less than the average in the general public. For linemen, perhaps due to their size, the life expectancy is 52
Leave it up to a Steelers fan to educate the Brown masses or the shit heads is more like it.
Head injuries, and weight problems are the reason football players die young - not steroids. The Steelers of the 70's are widely considered by experts (far from the likes who run this site) as the greatest team of all time - 23 Steelers won 4 SB's in 6 years - end of discussion. Now we have 6 rings and are considered the greatest organization in the NFL.
What can Brown do for you? Nuttin Honey.
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You know I used to rag the Squeeler fans about Roids just to piss them off, BUT there is a landslide of evidence that it really was the case. These reports aren't just coming from one or two directions. The Orlando Sentinel's puff piece isn't going to change ANY of that.
As for bad officiating. Watch the replays of the last 6 or 7 Super Bowls on NFLN...I have. Take a count of the "iffy" officiating calls in those games compared to those in the two Squeeler "victorys." If you aren't blind, you'll notice that the two Taintsburgh games were BY FAR over-officiated and that the calls that mattered most seemed to go to the Cheaters.
Someday, in the future, someone is going to write an unflattering book about the 00's Taintsburgh organization, which ironically is the same as the 70's Taintsburgh organization.
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Doug
You know I used to rag the Squeeler fans about Roids just to piss them off, BUT there is a landslide of evidence that it really was the case. These reports aren't just coming from one or two directions. The Orlando Sentinel's puff piece isn't going to change ANY of that.
As for bad officiating. Watch the replays of the last 6 or 7 Super Bowls on NFLN...I have. Take a count of the "iffy" officiating calls in those games compared to those in the two Squeeler "victorys." If you aren't blind, you'll notice that the two Taintsburgh games were BY FAR over-officiated and that the calls that mattered most seemed to go to the Cheaters.
Someday, in the future, someone is going to write an unflattering book about the 00's Taintsburgh organization, which ironically is the same as the 70's Taintsburgh organization.
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Doug
I'm with you Furns, I used to kind of just screw around about it, but now the evidence is overwhelming really. It's no joking matter.
It must suck for Pitt fans who are so proud of all those fraudulent championships be so let down like this.
Question is, how many more of these guys are going to drop before long?
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Zombo said:
The only Steelroid that died of head injuries was Courson who a had tree fall on his head.Browns Defensive line circa 1976:
Walter Johnson: Alive & Well
Jerry Sherk: Alive & Well
Joe "Turkey Jones": Alive & Well
Mack Mitchell: Alive & Well
Earl Edwards: Alive & Well
Mike St. Clair: Alive & Well
Steelers defensive line circa 1976:
Earl "Fats" Holmes: Dead, roid-rage car wreck after sever roid-rage incidents
Joe Greene: Alive
Dwight White: Dead, blod clot in lung
LC Greenwood: Alive
Steve Furness: Confirmed steroid user, dead of heart attack at 49
Ok, let's bring this down to Sesame Street level for you:
Which one of these groups used harmful drugs, and which one didn't?
Hmmm ... nope, let's discuss.
What if I told you there was a team that played in the championship game 10 years in a row ... winning seven of them?
6 year run: 4 appearances, 4 rings.
10 year run: 10 appearances, 7 rings
Ok ... Sesame Street time again:
Which set is more impressive?
Why is this thread still plugging along? White had health problems from the word go. I already mentioned this and I can dig up information proving it. You then have one individual saying the Steelers used Steroids, so now the entire team must have used Steroids. Why is this not discussed daily by the national news media if it's such a big deal? I'll be honest I didn't even know who Steve Furness was until this thread. In the end does this sort of thing make the Cleveland fan base feel better? Let's not act like the Steelers won those 4 championships in the 70's because of Steroids. The best defense, a top quarterback, elite WR's, good coaching and great ownership didn't have anything to do with it?
Today:
1. Great Defense: Hell the best defense, maybe the best ever.
2. Great Quarterback
3. Very good WR's and a top tier TE
4. Great Coaching
5. Great owners
The Steelers build through the draft, don't overpay their own and typically retain the players worth retaining. They are the model franchise of the NFL, period. All of this is amusing and honestly a little pathetic. A former now deceased steeler mentions the use of steroids just like the CIA told Bush there were WMD's in Iraq. How did all of that work out?
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http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/average-li...tball-player-52
Studies in the United States show that men who play five or more years in the NFL have a life expectancy of 55, 20 years less than the average in the general public. For linemen, perhaps due to their size, the life expectancy is 52
Leave it up to a Steelers fan to educate the Brown masses or the shit heads is more like it.
Head injuries, and weight problems are the reason football players die young - not steroids. The Steelers of the 70's are widely considered by experts (far from the likes who run this site) as the greatest team of all time - 23 Steelers won 4 SB's in 6 years - end of discussion. Now we have 6 rings and are considered the greatest organization in the NFL.
What can Brown do for you? Nuttin Honey.
http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/average-li...tball-player-52
Leave it up to a Steelers fan to educate the Brown masses or the shit heads is more like it.
Head injuries, and weight problems are the reason football players die young - not steroids. The Steelers of the 70's are widely considered by experts (far from the likes who run this site) as the greatest team of all time - 23 Steelers won 4 SB's in 6 years - end of discussion. Now we have 6 rings and are considered the greatest organization in the NFL.
What can Brown do for you? Nuttin Honey.
Unfortunately EVERY Rocky story that promised miracles and comebacks relied on steroids. If it sounds too good to be true it usually is. The Rocky in Philly was just a phoney as the Rocky in Pittsburgh was. I got an idea - throw them both a parade.
- Tom F.
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Steeler fans are still trying to deny Steroid use? I thought the evidence was mounting at such an alarming rate that even Steeler fans weren't denying it anymore, rather going with the "so what, everyone else did it too" argument (which is also wrong.)
How many more dead players under the age of 50 than any other organization?
How many doctors need to be caught with loads of steroids bought on his personal credit card?
How many former Steelers wrote books about "False Glory?"
Of course the media doesn't care -- it's deep in the past. But Browns fans care, because they have to deal with frontrunners bragging about their six rings -- so we have to shut their mouth and bring justice by reminding everyone that most, if not all, of those rings are not legit.
Just like the half assed, bangwagon, joke of a fan base known as Steeler nation.
It's a shame, Snatch. For every one legit fan like you, I encounter about 10 fake ass frontrunner Steeler fans here in Ohio. They usually have on a Yankee hat and a Celtics Jersy under their Steeler coat. Usually people who are video game geeks, nerds, females, grease monkeys, or any other type of person who is not naturally and genuinely a sports fan.
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You know I used to rag the Squeeler fans about Roids just to piss them off, BUT there is a landslide of evidence that it really was the case. These reports aren't just coming from one or two directions. The Orlando Sentinel's puff piece isn't going to change ANY of that.
As for bad officiating. Watch the replays of the last 6 or 7 Super Bowls on NFLN...I have. Take a count of the "iffy" officiating calls in those games compared to those in the two Squeeler "victorys." If you aren't blind, you'll notice that the two Taintsburgh games were BY FAR over-officiated and that the calls that mattered most seemed to go to the Cheaters.
Someday, in the future, someone is going to write an unflattering book about the 00's Taintsburgh organization, which ironically is the same as the 70's Taintsburgh organization.
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Doug
You know I used to rag the Squeeler fans about Roids just to piss them off, BUT there is a landslide of evidence that it really was the case. These reports aren't just coming from one or two directions. The Orlando Sentinel's puff piece isn't going to change ANY of that.
As for bad officiating. Watch the replays of the last 6 or 7 Super Bowls on NFLN...I have. Take a count of the "iffy" officiating calls in those games compared to those in the two Squeeler "victorys." If you aren't blind, you'll notice that the two Taintsburgh games were BY FAR over-officiated and that the calls that mattered most seemed to go to the Cheaters.
Someday, in the future, someone is going to write an unflattering book about the 00's Taintsburgh organization, which ironically is the same as the 70's Taintsburgh organization.
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Doug
LOL !!! Dumbasses...
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