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Brian Hoyer-hating seems misguided and misplaced

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  • Hoyer has been the best qb the browns have had in a long time. Just look at what he's done with the swiss cheese o line and who to throw to (Cameron, Miles, Hawkins, Gabriel, Benji). We have one stud TE and a bunch of journeymen/scrub wrs. We now have no running game and a terrible problem at o line. but the dude still wins.

    Haters gonna hate but Hoyer is a decent qb.

  • Depending on what happens Thursday...huge divisional game, national TV, missing 3 offensive pro bowlers, short week, on the road, etc...

    I think this is a game where many fans will either buy in or sell on Hoyer depending on the outcome.

    Regardless, I'm excited to be in this position and I wanna take advantage of it.

  • W Westside Steve

    I agree with that. But I think the Johnny hatred is just as out of place and pointless.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    I agree with that. But I think the Johnny hatred is just as out of place and pointless.

    WSS

    I wasn't keen on the pick Steve, but JFF is part of our TEAM. The disgust is pointed at a few (and misguided IMO) Manzealots who aren't happy the wrong qb is winning games. Hoyer isn't good enough to be a franchise qb, blah, blah, blah. So? as I pointed out several qbs have taken their teams to- and won Super Bowls, and they weren't even as good as Hoyer is. I can live with a game manager qb, as long as he's winning. That Hoyer is the local kid making good is a great story.

    The haters are saying we won ugly against a couple of lousy teams. Well- Brian beat them with essentially no running game to speak of.

  • Exactly who are the Manzealots that are not happy that the wrong QB is winning? Point one out please.

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  • Hoyer makes the throws when needed.. That's the bottom line.. Read up on Frank Ryan. The comparison to Me is uncanny... I don't hate Manziel. I was pretty excited we drafted him. But right now.. Hoyers the Man.

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • T TexasAg1969

    Exactly who are the Manzealots that are not happy that the wrong QB is winning? Point one out please.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Exactly who are the Manzealots that are not happy that the wrong QB is winning? Point one out please.

    It's not you Ag. Stockton is willing to bench a winning qb- just to see if Manziel is "the Answer". One of the other posters is already certain Gilbert is a bust. This isn't the only board I read either.

    MHO is there will be plenty of time for a qb competition next OTAs and training camp. Having to put McDonald in at center opens up the possibility of Hoyer getting hurt.

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  • I would hope JF fans are smart enough to back away from the table now that our offensive line is leaking like a sieve again. JF would be running for his life and would take a big smash trying to make something happen cause he can't stay in the pocket longer than 1.5 seconds. I like mobile QB's that extend plays, but if they have to start the "extending" 1.5 seconds after the snap this thing isn't going anywhere. Right now JF's skillset would still be wasted throwing him in there.

  • C Clevfan4life

    I would hope JF fans are smart enough to back away from the table now that our offensive line is leaking like a sieve again. JF would be running for his life and would take a big smash trying to make something happen cause he can't stay in the pocket longer than 1.5 seconds. I like mobile QB's that extend plays, but if they have to start the "extending" 1.5 seconds after the snap this thing isn't going anywhere. Right now JF's skillset would still be wasted throwing him in there.

    @clevfan4life said:

    I would hope JF fans are smart enough to back away from the table now that our offensive line is leaking like a sieve again. JF would be running for his life and would take a big smash trying to make something happen cause he can't stay in the pocket longer than 1.5 seconds. I like mobile QB's that extend plays, but if they have to start the "extending" 1.5 seconds after the snap this thing isn't going anywhere. Right now JF's skillset would still be wasted throwing him in there.

    Smash the middle and contain the edges, make him beat you throwing which he certainly could do, but we're not going to get the chance to see him try yet.

  • D BoneD D Bone

    @mark-o said:

    Speaking only for myself...I don't hate Manziel. I loved the pick and thought he could bring some much needed attitude to this team. I only hate his fans who try to tell us after years of losing that we shouldn't enjoy winning because the wrong QB is playing. I don't give a damn who's playing QB as long as the Browns win games.

    Mark speaks for me too

    @d-bone said:

    Mark speaks for me too

    ME TOO

    "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.

  • ^ditto.

  • T TexasAg1969

    Exactly who are the Manzealots that are not happy that the wrong QB is winning? Point one out please.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Exactly who are the Manzealots that are not happy that the wrong QB is winning? Point one out please.

    really? here's one and the main one. there are some actual brown's fans that are manzealots too. they know who they are.

    http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30747

  • Hoyer actually increased his league leading yards/completion and became the first Browns QB to pass for 200+ yards in a game in each of the first consecutive 8 games of the season since Sipe.

    Offense missing three Pro Bowlers (Mack, Cameron, Gordon) but has put up enough points to win every week but one.

    Unless you have Manning, Brady, Brees or Rodgers, which only 12% of the league does, then what you want is a guy who can give you a solid chance to win each week, and we have that.

    But above all: We are winning games we used to lose.

    Zombo

  • good, bad, or indifferent I think the loss to Jacksonville poisened the well, so to speak. I even heard people in the Media that should know better spouting off about how it was time to roll the dice on the rest of the season and start Manziel.

    I'm happy with Hoyer behind center. It would be neat to see some more "Johnny" packages, but after seeing them in the first three or four games the Johnny package has went the way of the dodo bird, which tells me something about his current stated of preparedness........

    Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand

  • Plus, what Zombo said. Just from listening to local (cleveland) radio at the start of the season, when we learned that Josh Gordon was going to be gone at least most of the season very few people thought we would be where we are - already better than last year with 1/2 the season to go.

    Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand

  • I would just say this.. Becareful of what you wish for. You just might get it.

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • hoortaH hoorta

    @texasag1969 said:

    Exactly who are the Manzealots that are not happy that the wrong QB is winning? Point one out please.

    It's not you Ag. Stockton is willing to bench a winning qb- just to see if Manziel is "the Answer". One of the other posters is already certain Gilbert is a bust. This isn't the only board I read either.

    MHO is there will be plenty of time for a qb competition next OTAs and training camp. Having to put McDonald in at center opens up the possibility of Hoyer getting hurt.

    @hoorta said:

    It's not you Ag.

    Yes, he is... he's just one of the good ones. 😉

    @mohican said:

    I even heard people in the Media that should know better spouting off about how it was time to roll the dice on the rest of the season and start Manziel.

    Just Media-folk looking for a story line... they have two at the ready. Hero or goat... makes no difference to them.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • I just re-watched the Tampa game.

    First, Tampa is not that bad of a Team, they've got some serious talent.

    Now as in regards to Hoyer . . . same thing I've been saying for a couple of weeks now, it's the OL.

    The OL is buckling right now, Hoyer is getting rushed and having to throw quicker than intended - sometimes out of position so the accuracy suffers.

    OL can't sustain the run game right now, so that puts even more pressure on Hoyer.

    Firm up the OL and/or get the run game going, and then I think you'll see improved QB play.

    QB play has essentially faltered ever since Mack went out.

    Hoyer's a good QB, right now we just have other issues.

    I have no issues with Manziel either, he needs to keep studying and learning - College to Pro is quite a jump.

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  • JAFBFJ JAFBF

    I just re-watched the Tampa game.

    First, Tampa is not that bad of a Team, they've got some serious talent.

    Now as in regards to Hoyer . . . same thing I've been saying for a couple of weeks now, it's the OL.

    The OL is buckling right now, Hoyer is getting rushed and having to throw quicker than intended - sometimes out of position so the accuracy suffers.

    OL can't sustain the run game right now, so that puts even more pressure on Hoyer.

    Firm up the OL and/or get the run game going, and then I think you'll see improved QB play.

    QB play has essentially faltered ever since Mack went out.

    Hoyer's a good QB, right now we just have other issues.

    I have no issues with Manziel either, he needs to keep studying and learning - College to Pro is quite a jump.

    @jafbf said:

    Now as in regards to Hoyer . . . same thing I've been saying for a couple of weeks now, it's the OL.

    You are wise beyond your years... whatever they total...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • JAFBFJ JAFBF

    I just re-watched the Tampa game.

    First, Tampa is not that bad of a Team, they've got some serious talent.

    Now as in regards to Hoyer . . . same thing I've been saying for a couple of weeks now, it's the OL.

    The OL is buckling right now, Hoyer is getting rushed and having to throw quicker than intended - sometimes out of position so the accuracy suffers.

    OL can't sustain the run game right now, so that puts even more pressure on Hoyer.

    Firm up the OL and/or get the run game going, and then I think you'll see improved QB play.

    QB play has essentially faltered ever since Mack went out.

    Hoyer's a good QB, right now we just have other issues.

    I have no issues with Manziel either, he needs to keep studying and learning - College to Pro is quite a jump.

    @jafbf said:

    I have no issues with Manziel either, he needs to keep studying and learning - College to Pro is quite a jump.

    but yet people don't see that when talking about gilbert.

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  • I have been watching Texas A&M football my entire life so when Johnny got drafted by the Browns I decided they were going to be my team. I studied up on the players and coaches and was ready to go all in for the season. When Hoyer won the job I figured like most that it was just a matter of time before Johnny got in. But it seems that isn't going to happen for a while.

    I am trying my best to root for this team, but it is very hard to be unbiased. I don't think anybody can say Hoyer hasn't done a good job as the starter. It is hard to argue with 5 wins. He has played very well at the end of games to win them and he limits his mistakes. However his play during stretches of some games, especially the first half, has been downright awful. Some of the blame has to go to the running game and o line, but I can't imagine the better quarterbacks in the league struggling as bad as Hoyer. I think at this point in his career this is who Hoyer is. Can make some good throws but is never going to elevate the team to new heights.

    It seems most of you never actually watched Johnny at A&M. You only go off of what you saw in the preseason. For those of you that want to compare Johnny to the likes of Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, RG3, Colt Mccoy, and others you are a little off. Obviously success in college doesn't always translate to the NFL but Johnny was on a whole other level to those guys. Just look at the stats and tape and it is not even close. Johnny didn't win championships sure but he was only at A&M for his freshman and sophomore years and his teams were nowhere near as good as the teams the other quarterbacks had.

    Some of the concerns you all have about him are unfounded. Johnny is as durable as they come. He isn't RG3 or Vick. His first year at A&M he ran 201 times and missed less than a quarter because a guy rolled over on his ankle after the play was over. His second year he injured his thumb hitting a helmet but that was basically it. The only reason he rarely slid or ran out of bounds is because A&M's defense was horrible and every yard was important. His arm is a lot better that people think too. His passing was best in the nation by a lot of statistics. He rarely missed guys. Most of the interceptions he threw were, again, because of A&M's defense, he couldn't just throw it away and punt. And finally his running ability was the best I have ever seen. You can give me Hoyer's passing numbers but he has -3 rushing yards. The simple threat of Johnny running ability will help the running backs a little bit and the few times Hoyer threw an incomplete pass Johnny might have ran for 20 yards.

    If Johnny isn't playing because he isn't ready then I am fine having him sit the bench. But if he isn't playing because Hoyer has played just good enough to not get benched then I really think they need to make the switch.

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