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  • mohican mohicanM
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    mohicanM mohican wrote on last edited by
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    Why should we stop ISIL anywhere, outside of US military bases on foreign soil and in the US itself?

    We are slow learners at times.

    Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand
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      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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      Well, for the same reason we eventually had to join wwii and stop the nazis.

      Ignoring "small" threats, just lets them grow into huge threats.

      But then, stopping the huge threat is so much loss of life of our own soldiers.

      We already should have blasted isil while they were in a big convoy, coming up

      that main road from syria into iraq. Now, it's a giant clusterfook.

      Clinton ignored al quaida in afghanistan, sending only some missiles into the desert.

      Then, we were hit with 9/11, after they planned it for at least 3 years.

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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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        We shouldn't be fitting the bill anytime something bad happens. Germany, France, UK, etc. could just as easily take care of it. If they can't be bothered then that is on them. They are the one's that can be reached by land by these cowardly pieces of shit.

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          LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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          Hell, other Muslim countries should be the ones going in and policing their own.

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            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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            True, on both posts.

            But they won't. At least we should have had the Brits, etc, going after isil when I said they should have.

            BTW, I was watching a report on the corrupt, cowardly "president" - they knew where the hostages

            were, but would not make a decision on rescuing them til about two to three months later, and then

            they had been moved.

            This obamao regime doesn't care about anything but keeping their power. And doing nothing is

            to them, politically expedient.

            I mean, they had both houses of Congress and the presidency, and they did jack nothing good for two years.

            So, there ya go.

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            • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

              We shouldn't be fitting the bill anytime something bad happens. Germany, France, UK, etc. could just as easily take care of it. If they can't be bothered then that is on them. They are the one's that can be reached by land by these cowardly pieces of shit.

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              gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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              @logicisforsquares said:

              We shouldn't be fitting the bill anytime something bad happens. Germany, France, UK, etc. could just as easily take care of it. If they can't be bothered then that is on them. They are the one's that can be reached by land by these cowardly pieces of shit.

              Go take a look at the coalition of countries against ISIL. And while you're there, compare to Al-Qaeda which was basically just the brits and americans. There are a lot more countries involved against ISIL - USA, Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Turkey, Italy, Poland and Denmark in the 'core' group of countries. Even the Iranians and Syrians are starting to be drawn in.

              Nobody likes ISIL, they're not government backed, so there's no vested interest from anyone.

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                @logicisforsquares said:

                We shouldn't be fitting the bill anytime something bad happens. Germany, France, UK, etc. could just as easily take care of it. If they can't be bothered then that is on them. They are the one's that can be reached by land by these cowardly pieces of shit.

                Go take a look at the coalition of countries against ISIL. And while you're there, compare to Al-Qaeda which was basically just the brits and americans. There are a lot more countries involved against ISIL - USA, Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Turkey, Italy, Poland and Denmark in the 'core' group of countries. Even the Iranians and Syrians are starting to be drawn in.

                Nobody likes ISIL, they're not government backed, so there's no vested interest from anyone.

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                LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                @gftchris said:

                Go take a look at the coalition of countries against ISIL. And while you're there, compare to Al-Qaeda which was basically just the brits and americans. There are a lot more countries involved against ISIL - USA, Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Turkey, Italy, Poland and Denmark in the 'core' group of countries. Even the Iranians and Syrians are starting to be drawn in.

                Nobody likes ISIL, they're not government backed, so there's no vested interest from anyone.

                I was speaking in a broader sense of how things normally are. We feel as if we have to police every bad situation when we could stand to sit some out. It should be resolved by others sometimes.

                To be honest, I should not have mentioned the Brits because they are usually along for the ride on every adventure the U.S. goes on.

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                  W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                  and a lot of that is due to the fact our English bretherin are still using their own currency.

                  says I.

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                    @gftchris said:

                    Go take a look at the coalition of countries against ISIL. And while you're there, compare to Al-Qaeda which was basically just the brits and americans. There are a lot more countries involved against ISIL - USA, Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Australia, Turkey, Italy, Poland and Denmark in the 'core' group of countries. Even the Iranians and Syrians are starting to be drawn in.

                    Nobody likes ISIL, they're not government backed, so there's no vested interest from anyone.

                    I was speaking in a broader sense of how things normally are. We feel as if we have to police every bad situation when we could stand to sit some out. It should be resolved by others sometimes.

                    To be honest, I should not have mentioned the Brits because they are usually along for the ride on every adventure the U.S. goes on.

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                    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                    @logicisforsquares said:

                    I was speaking in a broader sense of how things normally are. We feel as if we have to police every bad situation when we could stand to sit some out. It should be resolved by others sometimes.

                    To be honest, I should not have mentioned the Brits because they are usually along for the ride on every adventure the U.S. goes on.

                    Yeah, I kinda got riled up at that! 😛

                    But you can sense that Obama doesn't want another "10 years of soldiers in the middle east" situation, and so is looking to get other countries involved - while still doing a 'fair share' of course - to take on ISIL. Like I said, nobody likes them, nobody backs them, and they're pissing off a lot of people. People from across Europe are being sucked in - apparently France has the highest number who have gone to fight. Australia's 'ginger muslim' has made a lot of people angry as well.

                    This isn't like Iraq, with claims of WMDs that turned out to be 'optimistic' and we went through with the war anyway, or however you spin that. There's a definitive 'bad guy' that the world has no interest in appeasing or accommodating.

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                      Well, for the same reason we eventually had to join wwii and stop the nazis.

                      Ignoring "small" threats, just lets them grow into huge threats.

                      But then, stopping the huge threat is so much loss of life of our own soldiers.

                      We already should have blasted isil while they were in a big convoy, coming up

                      that main road from syria into iraq. Now, it's a giant clusterfook.

                      Clinton ignored al quaida in afghanistan, sending only some missiles into the desert.

                      Then, we were hit with 9/11, after they planned it for at least 3 years.

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                      mohicanM mohican wrote on last edited by
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                      @calfoxwc said:

                      Well, for the same reason we eventually had to join wwii and stop the nazis.

                      Ignoring "small" threats, just lets them grow into huge threats.

                      But then, stopping the huge threat is so much loss of life of our own soldiers.

                      We already should have blasted isil while they were in a big convoy, coming up

                      that main road from syria into iraq. Now, it's a giant clusterfook.

                      Clinton ignored al quaida in afghanistan, sending only some missiles into the desert.

                      Then, we were hit with 9/11, after they planned it for at least 3 years.

                      Really? What is the cost of lives and money since the full time occupation of Iraq under Bush II and full time occupation of Afghanistan under Obama?

                      And has this dampened down anything? Little if any.

                      What would we have to do if we were really serious about stopping these groups?

                      Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand
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                      • mohicanM mohican

                        @calfoxwc said:

                        Well, for the same reason we eventually had to join wwii and stop the nazis.

                        Ignoring "small" threats, just lets them grow into huge threats.

                        But then, stopping the huge threat is so much loss of life of our own soldiers.

                        We already should have blasted isil while they were in a big convoy, coming up

                        that main road from syria into iraq. Now, it's a giant clusterfook.

                        Clinton ignored al quaida in afghanistan, sending only some missiles into the desert.

                        Then, we were hit with 9/11, after they planned it for at least 3 years.

                        Really? What is the cost of lives and money since the full time occupation of Iraq under Bush II and full time occupation of Afghanistan under Obama?

                        And has this dampened down anything? Little if any.

                        What would we have to do if we were really serious about stopping these groups?

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                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                        @mohican said:

                        What would we have to do if we were really serious about stopping these groups?

                        Stop trying to bomb the crap out of anything in a turban.

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                          mohicanM mohican wrote on last edited by
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                          I didn't lead enough there. If we accept the premise that in order to keep us safe from radical Islam, and if radicals Islam is a threat then how do we stop them? A land war in Asia for 12 years hasn't been the ticket, has it?

                          What is Al Quaida and ISIS/ISIL/UNCLE? Religious groups?

                          Do they currently have a nation? No?

                          Do they get tax from Industry or Income? (No, except for some gains from dimmitude?)

                          So where does these groups get their money? How do they pay for their arms, bombs, and slick You Tube video productions?

                          Do many of the Uber Wealthy Saudis and Uber Wealthy from other Arab states like UAE support these people?

                          So if you were serious about dealing with Al Quaida/Isis/Isil then wouldn't you take steps to cut off the money?

                          And if you don't, doesn't that ensure that the situation drags on?

                          Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand
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