Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Hoyer> Dalton.
Whatever we did it perplexed Dalton. 9 in the box no audible? Obvious 3 yard loss.
BTW hoyer had a nice audible run left for a TD. Hoyer owned that D in general though.
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Back to the original topic, we are now in the perfect position of having an excellent, experienced QB with a very good athlete learning the game behind him. Same exact situation New England has had for years. Nothing but good can come from all of that for all involved. JFF is learning that you don't have to carry a whole team on your shoulders (look at A&M faltering now) to have a very good team and BH is learning what it means to be "the Starter". Great situation for the Browns!
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Back to the original topic, we are now in the perfect position of having an excellent, experienced QB with a very good athlete learning the game behind him. Same exact situation New England has had for years. Nothing but good can come from all of that for all involved. JFF is learning that you don't have to carry a whole team on your shoulders (look at A&M faltering now) to have a very good team and BH is learning what it means to be "the Starter". Great situation for the Browns!
Back to the original topic, we are now in the perfect position of having an excellent, experienced QB with a very good athlete learning the game behind him. Same exact situation New England has had for years. Nothing but good can come from all of that for all involved. JFF is learning that you don't have to carry a whole team on your shoulders (look at A&M faltering now) to have a very good team and BH is learning what it means to be "the Starter". Great situation for the Browns!
Ah, the voice of reason. That's what a certain poster that got a 10+ page thread going doesn't understand. Hoyer may have been in the league for six years, but he's got less than a full seasons worth of starts. A lot of teams are wishing they were in the Browns situation quarterback wise.
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"wasn't popular among fans"
Wait, those Aggie Dbags counted as fans?
Ya, I thought the same thing ... it was pretty popular with Browns fans overall.
Zombo
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There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).
In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.
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Back to the original topic, we are now in the perfect position of having an excellent, experienced QB with a very good athlete learning the game behind him. Same exact situation New England has had for years. Nothing but good can come from all of that for all involved. JFF is learning that you don't have to carry a whole team on your shoulders (look at A&M faltering now) to have a very good team and BH is learning what it means to be "the Starter". Great situation for the Browns!
Same exact situation New England has had for years.
Couldn't remember how many years Brady sat before starting it all for them, so I looked at ProFootballRef and it was 1 year plus one game. It's what else I found that startled me...
In the Pats three SB seasons('01, '03, '04) Brady threw for a mere 189.5, 226.3 and 230.8 YPG respectively. Not exactly "elite" numbers... those came later... but the SB win spigot was turned off.
Not making a Hoyer - Brady talent comparison.
Am making a numbers comparision.
Sometimes when a QB does more it does not bring more success...
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There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).
In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.
There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).
In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.
I disagree that taking Manziel was a mistake. He is a young kid that can use a while to learn the game. And remember, fyi, he is just one play from being our starting QB for the rest of the year. Hoyer went down before, he could go down again. Hopefully not, but it could happen.
Actually I think this team could possibly use a veteran backup QB. Right now we have just two rookies: JFF and Conner Shaw.....but I also believe that the Browns essentially have Rex Grossman on retainer to come to this team if something happens.
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Thanks for the Sipe update. I would also like to mention that Dalton makes beau coup money and has a ton of weapons around him. So what happened last night? The Bengals were exposed!
Thanks for the Sipe update. I would also like to mention that Dalton makes beau coup money and has a ton of weapons around him. So what happened last night? The Bengals were exposed!
There's a army of Bengal fans (yes, they exist) who think Mike Brown & Katie Blackburn were nuts to extend Dalton at that kind of money. It is a cap friendly contract that is essentially a two year deal.
Thing is, everyone is getting exposed this year. Browns Beat Saints- kill the Steelers and Bengals- and manage to lose to the Jags. Steelers lose to the Bucs, Bungles sweep the Ravens and get smoked by the Browns. Seahawks beat Denver, and then lose to the Rams. The 49ers manage to lose to the Bears and Rams- at home. This year, it's any given Sunday.
I disagree that taking Manziel was a mistake. He is a young kid that can use a while to learn the game. And remember, fyi, he is just one play from being our starting QB for the rest of the year. Hoyer went down before, he could go down again. Hopefully not, but it could happen.
Actually I think this team could possibly use a veteran backup QB. Right now we have just two rookies: JFF and Conner Shaw.....but I also believe that the Browns essentially have Rex Grossman on retainer to come to this team if something happens.
As Tour said, Brady sat for a year until he got his chance. No one is debating Manziel isn't a superior athlete compared to Hoyer- but he's not a better quarterback- yet.
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There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).
In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.
Who said it was a mistake? Kid is young. In two years he'll still be about the same age as the graduating CFB seniors. I like to think of it as he is now in AP football class. Just because he is sitting and learning doesn't mean selecting him was a mistake. Wouldn't you love Hoyer's brain in his body? That's what sitting him behind Hoyer is trying to accomplish.There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).
In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
If Hoyer asks for Dalton money, he should not be resigned.
Hoyer obviously gives us the best chance to win.. but not at more than 7m/yr.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Who said it was a mistake? Kid is young. In two years he'll still be about the same age as the graduating CFB seniors. I like to think of it as he is now in AP football class. Just because he is sitting and learning doesn't mean selecting him was a mistake. Wouldn't you love Hoyer's brain in his body? That's what sitting him behind Hoyer is trying to accomplish.There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).
In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.
Who said it was a mistake? Kid is young. In two years he'll still be about the same age as the graduating CFB seniors. I like to think of it as he is now in AP football class. Just because he is sitting and learning doesn't mean selecting him was a mistake. Wouldn't you love Hoyer's brain in his body? That's what sitting him behind Hoyer is trying to accomplish.
Exactly!
Mike
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If Hoyer asks for Dalton money, he should not be resigned.
Hoyer obviously gives us the best chance to win.. but not at more than 7m/yr.
If Hoyer asks for Dalton money, he should not be resigned.
Hoyer obviously gives us the best chance to win.. but not at more than 7m/yr.
Depends on how the rest of the season unfolds. Eight? do I hear 8? Playoffs- it's going to have to be a lot more than that. BH takes the Browns to the postseason, he'll be the hottest FA in the League.
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Who said it was a mistake? Kid is young. In two years he'll still be about the same age as the graduating CFB seniors. I like to think of it as he is now in AP football class. Just because he is sitting and learning doesn't mean selecting him was a mistake. Wouldn't you love Hoyer's brain in his body? That's what sitting him behind Hoyer is trying to accomplish.There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).
In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.
Wouldn't you love Hoyer's brain in his body? That's what sitting him behind Hoyer is trying to accomplish.
uh, no. just because someone can scramble does not mean they are made for the nfl. hoyer is doing fine right now. how long do you think manziel will tolerate sitting when his endorsement deals are dwindling sunday by sunday? are you willing to ride the JF train again this offseason? it was a wasted pick. you can always develop someone but that means they're usually a #3 and a project. so manziel is now a project taken @22?
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Who said it was a mistake? Kid is young. In two years he'll still be about the same age as the graduating CFB seniors. I like to think of it as he is now in AP football class. Just because he is sitting and learning doesn't mean selecting him was a mistake. Wouldn't you love Hoyer's brain in his body? That's what sitting him behind Hoyer is trying to accomplish.There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).
In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.
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manziel will be signing autographs on Friday!!! and is willing to let all the fan boys ride his cock for real and letting all the online wishes come true. he is bored sitting on the bench you know. location and time coming soon!!!!
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TexasKev is going to pay for extra time.
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Quit drinking and embarrassing yourself
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What other fans would treat their 1st round Rookie QB with the disrespect the Browns do?
Honestly think about it, who else? Who else would mock their own first round Rookie QB like the Browns fans do?
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