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  • darkside5D darkside5

    Don't be late for class tomorrow. I can't wait for professor Shorts' history lesson. Maybe class will be cancelled for a while now that I think about it. As for the professor, it would be kind if he WERE history.

    Great game Brian Hoyer and great game Browns!

    @darkside5 said:

    Don't be late for class tomorrow. I can't wait for professor Shorts' history lesson. Maybe class will be cancelled for a while now that I think about it.

    You got it...

    History has been postponed until further notice...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Mark OM Mark O

    @tiamat63 said:

    I thought he was the QB coach at SDSU?

    QB coach or OC for SDSU

    @mark-o said:

    QB coach or OC for SDSU

    Yeah... Was HS, but moved on...

    Sipe now resides in San Diego, California, and coached high school football at Santa Fe Christian School in Solana Beach, California, where he helped the Eagles to four CIF titles and a combined record of 75-21-1. Sipe was hired on January 18, 2009 as quarterback coach for his Alma Mater, San Diego State. In 2010, the Aztecs beat United States Naval Academy in the Poinsettia Bowl.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sipe

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    where were the mighty WRs we passed on or traded away?

    AJ green? sanu?

    owned by defense.

    @miktoxic said:

    where were the mighty WRs we passed on or traded away?

    AJ green? sanu?

    owned by defense.

    gotta admit that a lot of that had to do with how bad Dalton was tonight. Even when he wasn't pressured. I had Weedon flashbacks. THey actually kind of look alike from certain angles, made me shiver a bit.

  • Just looked like another moment that overwhelmed Mr. Dalton. He looked seriously perplexed by our D.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • haden has owned green since college days.

    some players just have another's #.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Just looked like another moment that overwhelmed Mr. Dalton. He looked seriously perplexed by our D.

    @tour2ma said:

    Just looked like another moment that overwhelmed Mr. Dalton. He looked seriously perplexed by our D.

    EDIT: Just saw a Dalton replay package and he was aiming the ball, not throwing it. Tells me he was uncertain.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Hoyer> Dalton.

    Whatever we did it perplexed Dalton. 9 in the box no audible? Obvious 3 yard loss.

    BTW hoyer had a nice audible run left for a TD. Hoyer owned that D in general though.

  • Back to the original topic, we are now in the perfect position of having an excellent, experienced QB with a very good athlete learning the game behind him. Same exact situation New England has had for years. Nothing but good can come from all of that for all involved. JFF is learning that you don't have to carry a whole team on your shoulders (look at A&M faltering now) to have a very good team and BH is learning what it means to be "the Starter". Great situation for the Browns!

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  • Mark OM Mark O

    @tiamat63 said:

    I thought he was the QB coach at SDSU?

    QB coach or OC for SDSU

    @mark-o said:

    QB coach or OC for SDSU

    And an architect.

  • T TexasAg1969

    Back to the original topic, we are now in the perfect position of having an excellent, experienced QB with a very good athlete learning the game behind him. Same exact situation New England has had for years. Nothing but good can come from all of that for all involved. JFF is learning that you don't have to carry a whole team on your shoulders (look at A&M faltering now) to have a very good team and BH is learning what it means to be "the Starter". Great situation for the Browns!

    @texasag1969 said:

    Back to the original topic, we are now in the perfect position of having an excellent, experienced QB with a very good athlete learning the game behind him. Same exact situation New England has had for years. Nothing but good can come from all of that for all involved. JFF is learning that you don't have to carry a whole team on your shoulders (look at A&M faltering now) to have a very good team and BH is learning what it means to be "the Starter". Great situation for the Browns!

    Ah, the voice of reason. That's what a certain poster that got a 10+ page thread going doesn't understand. Hoyer may have been in the league for six years, but he's got less than a full seasons worth of starts. A lot of teams are wishing they were in the Browns situation quarterback wise.

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    "wasn't popular among fans"

    Wait, those Aggie Dbags counted as fans?

    @mld-woody said:

    "wasn't popular among fans"

    Wait, those Aggie Dbags counted as fans?

    Ya, I thought the same thing ... it was pretty popular with Browns fans overall.

    Zombo

  • There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).

    In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.

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  • T TexasAg1969

    Back to the original topic, we are now in the perfect position of having an excellent, experienced QB with a very good athlete learning the game behind him. Same exact situation New England has had for years. Nothing but good can come from all of that for all involved. JFF is learning that you don't have to carry a whole team on your shoulders (look at A&M faltering now) to have a very good team and BH is learning what it means to be "the Starter". Great situation for the Browns!

    @texasag1969 said:

    Same exact situation New England has had for years.

    Couldn't remember how many years Brady sat before starting it all for them, so I looked at ProFootballRef and it was 1 year plus one game. It's what else I found that startled me...

    In the Pats three SB seasons('01, '03, '04) Brady threw for a mere 189.5, 226.3 and 230.8 YPG respectively. Not exactly "elite" numbers... those came later... but the SB win spigot was turned off.

    Not making a Hoyer - Brady talent comparison.

    Am making a numbers comparision.

    Sometimes when a QB does more it does not bring more success...

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  • Thanks for the Sipe update. I would also like to mention that Dalton makes beau coup money and has a ton of weapons around him. So what happened last night? The Bengals were exposed!

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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  • MasterDogM MasterDog

    There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).

    In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.

    @masterdog said:

    There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).

    In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.

    I disagree that taking Manziel was a mistake. He is a young kid that can use a while to learn the game. And remember, fyi, he is just one play from being our starting QB for the rest of the year. Hoyer went down before, he could go down again. Hopefully not, but it could happen.

    Actually I think this team could possibly use a veteran backup QB. Right now we have just two rookies: JFF and Conner Shaw.....but I also believe that the Browns essentially have Rex Grossman on retainer to come to this team if something happens.

  • Opal312O Opal312

    Thanks for the Sipe update. I would also like to mention that Dalton makes beau coup money and has a ton of weapons around him. So what happened last night? The Bengals were exposed!

    @opal312 said:

    Thanks for the Sipe update. I would also like to mention that Dalton makes beau coup money and has a ton of weapons around him. So what happened last night? The Bengals were exposed!

    There's a army of Bengal fans (yes, they exist) who think Mike Brown & Katie Blackburn were nuts to extend Dalton at that kind of money. It is a cap friendly contract that is essentially a two year deal.

    Thing is, everyone is getting exposed this year. Browns Beat Saints- kill the Steelers and Bengals- and manage to lose to the Jags. Steelers lose to the Bucs, Bungles sweep the Ravens and get smoked by the Browns. Seahawks beat Denver, and then lose to the Rams. The 49ers manage to lose to the Bears and Rams- at home. This year, it's any given Sunday.

    @the-gipper said:

    I disagree that taking Manziel was a mistake. He is a young kid that can use a while to learn the game. And remember, fyi, he is just one play from being our starting QB for the rest of the year. Hoyer went down before, he could go down again. Hopefully not, but it could happen.

    Actually I think this team could possibly use a veteran backup QB. Right now we have just two rookies: JFF and Conner Shaw.....but I also believe that the Browns essentially have Rex Grossman on retainer to come to this team if something happens.

    As Tour said, Brady sat for a year until he got his chance. No one is debating Manziel isn't a superior athlete compared to Hoyer- but he's not a better quarterback- yet.

  • MasterDogM MasterDog

    There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).

    In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.

    @masterdog said:

    There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).

    In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.

    Who said it was a mistake? Kid is young. In two years he'll still be about the same age as the graduating CFB seniors. I like to think of it as he is now in AP football class. Just because he is sitting and learning doesn't mean selecting him was a mistake. Wouldn't you love Hoyer's brain in his body? That's what sitting him behind Hoyer is trying to accomplish.
    "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
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  • If Hoyer asks for Dalton money, he should not be resigned.

    Hoyer obviously gives us the best chance to win.. but not at more than 7m/yr.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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  • OsirisO Osiris

    @masterdog said:

    There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake (drafting Manziel).

    In Hoyer we trust. He looked incredible last night. Hoyer got that IT factor.

    Who said it was a mistake? Kid is young. In two years he'll still be about the same age as the graduating CFB seniors. I like to think of it as he is now in AP football class. Just because he is sitting and learning doesn't mean selecting him was a mistake. Wouldn't you love Hoyer's brain in his body? That's what sitting him behind Hoyer is trying to accomplish.

    @osiris said:

    Who said it was a mistake? Kid is young. In two years he'll still be about the same age as the graduating CFB seniors. I like to think of it as he is now in AP football class. Just because he is sitting and learning doesn't mean selecting him was a mistake. Wouldn't you love Hoyer's brain in his body? That's what sitting him behind Hoyer is trying to accomplish.

    Exactly!

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST
  • U Unsympathetic

    If Hoyer asks for Dalton money, he should not be resigned.

    Hoyer obviously gives us the best chance to win.. but not at more than 7m/yr.

    @unsympathetic said:

    If Hoyer asks for Dalton money, he should not be resigned.

    Hoyer obviously gives us the best chance to win.. but not at more than 7m/yr.

    Depends on how the rest of the season unfolds. Eight? do I hear 8? Playoffs- it's going to have to be a lot more than that. BH takes the Browns to the postseason, he'll be the hottest FA in the League.

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