Kyle Shanahan
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How long is his contact?
3 years, but any HC offer will let him out of any remaining time.
Zombo said:
But back to the original thought ... Shanny is the best game-planner and play-caller we have had since 1999, and it ain't even close.
About halfway thru the 2nd QTR an I've seen a brand new formation and two play variations off of old sets. And the play-calling has been spotless...
I'm betting that young Shanny (or Shammy...
) is a decent chess player.Mixed bag from McD so far...
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So we can lose him if he gets offered a hc gig?
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Yep.
Of course the old assistant head coach carrot has been put on a stick in the past.
WSS
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i tend to agree
BUT
we all know how desperate teams can be at times (josh mcdaniels and todd hailey to name a couple off the top of my head) for the next young genius. i would think there'd be a lot more seasoned coaches out there that people will look at first.
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I was saying in the tavern thursday that there was an 80% chance he will be gone after the season. As of now I see an easy 6 teams that will be going in a different direction after the season and honestly 10 isn't that far fetched either if you look into it a little.
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Oh, and Go buckeyes... Fuck everything Michigan.
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I think Shanahan is brilliant & worry we could lose him. More than likely he isn't yet ready to be a HC, but we're not the ones who will be shopping. That said, I agree with Steve, drop the Assistant Head Coach title on him.
To follow up on Zombo's post, these receivers aren't getting as wide open as they are simply from great moves..much of it boils down to well designed, called, & executed plays. We have a very well coached Team here & it's not just Shanahan.
Mike
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The Browns' offense is now sophisticated business. A lot of misdirection, fooling
defenses, setting up plays to help other plays spring big gains. Kosar was a genius
at fooling defenses.
This offense is fun to watch - seems to be very much designed around the talent there,
and having said that, it's excellent to see that even losing Mack, they have gelled again.
Were it not for the Bitonio addition, the Browns would have a real tough time replacing Mack
and still being able to rumble.
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Yes, but that was because Mack got hurt. The offensive line just can't
change and keep on rolling the first couple of games. There's a ton
of timing, and protection calls, and coordination...
But they got it back. We'll see if the running game keeps on keeping on.
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I thought l noticed a bit of a different blocking scheme going on in this game. When l rewatched the game l really focused in on McDonald to see how the new C was doing.
I saw a number of plays where he sort of did this hockey check at the LOS and then moved up to the second level to look for a block there. Kind of like an up the gut lead blocker.
I don't remember them using Mack like that, or maybe l just wasn't paying attention. I guess my hope is they are formatting the scheme to the personnel, and they must like McDonald as a spearhead up the middle.
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Interesting, but I've seen Mack get to the second level, too.
DL,s had to pay a lot more attention to Mack.
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I think Shanahan is brilliant & worry we could lose him. More than likely he isn't yet ready to be a HC, but we're not the ones who will be shopping. That said, I agree with Steve, drop the Assistant Head Coach title on him.
To follow up on Zombo's post, these receivers aren't getting as wide open as they are simply from great moves..much of it boils down to well designed, called, & executed plays. We have a very well coached Team here & it's not just Shanahan.
Mike
To follow up on Zombo's post, these receivers aren't getting as wide open as they are simply from great moves..much of it boils down to well designed, called, & executed plays. We have a very well coached Team here & it's not just Shanahan.
Agree on giving the Asst. Coaches their due...
Regardless of scheme, receivers have to beat defenders... especially on shorter passes with pick (or rub) plays being the exception. Longer routes get into a scheme's/ play design's ability to influence Safeties and LBS.
I think the arrival of the smaller, quicker WRs (Hawk, Gabe, Moore) was perfectly timed to the arrival of the no touch, rules emphasis.
Dont get too excited yet folks, his run got stopped for 3 games and he couldnt find any production with jacksonville whatsoever, id have thought a good oc would find a way with a 0-6 team.
Even Lombardi lost a game here and there...
I thought l noticed a bit of a different blocking scheme going on in this game. When l rewatched the game l really focused in on McDonald to see how the new C was doing.
I saw a number of plays where he sort of did this hockey check at the LOS and then moved up to the second level to look for a block there. Kind of like an up the gut lead blocker.
I don't remember them using Mack like that, or maybe l just wasn't paying attention. I guess my hope is they are formatting the scheme to the personnel, and they must like McDonald as a spearhead up the middle.
Mack was the master of the "chip" at the LOS and then proceeding to the 2nd level. The difference between he and McD (or Greco during his turn at C) is that Mack could really engage a D-lineman and still get to the 2nd level in time. If Greco engaged meaningfully he was late to the 2nd. McD looks to be going "Mack-lite" at the line and moving on.
Halfway thru the Q2 of the CIN game I think we are middle zoning more and wide zoning less than we have YTD. This could be why you are seeing more of this action by the center.
McD is capable of winning 2nd level battles. 1st level? not so much...
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Agree, Shanahan is a huge upgrade. I love the misdirection plays, and they always seem to work, which is amazing.
It's been a long time since we've seen a coaching staff actually make decent adjustments during the game. Hopefully threy neutralize JJ Watt next week.
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To follow up on Zombo's post, these receivers aren't getting as wide open as they are simply from great moves..much of it boils down to well designed, called, & executed plays. We have a very well coached Team here & it's not just Shanahan.
Agree on giving the Asst. Coaches their due...
Regardless of scheme, receivers have to beat defenders... especially on shorter passes with pick (or rub) plays being the exception. Longer routes get into a scheme's/ play design's ability to influence Safeties and LBS.
I think the arrival of the smaller, quicker WRs (Hawk, Gabe, Moore) was perfectly timed to the arrival of the no touch, rules emphasis.
Dont get too excited yet folks, his run got stopped for 3 games and he couldnt find any production with jacksonville whatsoever, id have thought a good oc would find a way with a 0-6 team.
Even Lombardi lost a game here and there...
I thought l noticed a bit of a different blocking scheme going on in this game. When l rewatched the game l really focused in on McDonald to see how the new C was doing.
I saw a number of plays where he sort of did this hockey check at the LOS and then moved up to the second level to look for a block there. Kind of like an up the gut lead blocker.
I don't remember them using Mack like that, or maybe l just wasn't paying attention. I guess my hope is they are formatting the scheme to the personnel, and they must like McDonald as a spearhead up the middle.
Mack was the master of the "chip" at the LOS and then proceeding to the 2nd level. The difference between he and McD (or Greco during his turn at C) is that Mack could really engage a D-lineman and still get to the 2nd level in time. If Greco engaged meaningfully he was late to the 2nd. McD looks to be going "Mack-lite" at the line and moving on.
Halfway thru the Q2 of the CIN game I think we are middle zoning more and wide zoning less than we have YTD. This could be why you are seeing more of this action by the center.
McD is capable of winning 2nd level battles. 1st level? not so much...
Mack was the master of the "chip" at the LOS and then proceeding to the 2nd level. The difference between he and McD (or Greco during his turn at C) is that Mack could really engage a D-lineman and still get to the 2nd level in time. If Greco engaged meaningfully he was late to the 2nd. McD looks to be going "Mack-lite" at the line and moving on.
Halfway thru the Q2 of the CIN game I think we are middle zoning more and wide zoning less than we have YTD. This could be why you are seeing more of this action by the center.
McD is capable of winning 2nd level battles. 1st level? not so much...
Good analysis. I gotta admit l haven't really focused a lot on Mack's play. I'm usually scrutinizing the Schwartz.
Yeah. The Schwartz.
I thought maybe the coaches thought MCD was quicker than the average bear. Raar.
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Will their first rounder play?
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Mack was the master of the "chip" at the LOS and then proceeding to the 2nd level. The difference between he and McD (or Greco during his turn at C) is that Mack could really engage a D-lineman and still get to the 2nd level in time. If Greco engaged meaningfully he was late to the 2nd. McD looks to be going "Mack-lite" at the line and moving on.
Halfway thru the Q2 of the CIN game I think we are middle zoning more and wide zoning less than we have YTD. This could be why you are seeing more of this action by the center.
McD is capable of winning 2nd level battles. 1st level? not so much...
Good analysis. I gotta admit l haven't really focused a lot on Mack's play. I'm usually scrutinizing the Schwartz.
Yeah. The Schwartz.
I thought maybe the coaches thought MCD was quicker than the average bear. Raar.
Good analysis. I gotta admit l haven't really focused a lot on Mack's play. I'm usually scrutinizing the Schwartz.
Good? Hopefully... but I am at least sure it's an "analysis".
Does seem my impression that we were middle zoning more vs. CIN might actually have been the case based upon this tidbit from Terry Pluto:
"In the 24-3 victory over the Bengals, the Browns ran the ball 52 times. According to ESPN, they ran 39 times between the guards and center -- basically, up the middle."
75% up the middle is a pretty healthy clip...
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_browns_rise_given_a.html
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Yes, but that was because Mack got hurt. The offensive line just can't
change and keep on rolling the first couple of games. There's a ton
of timing, and protection calls, and coordination...
But they got it back. We'll see if the running game keeps on keeping on.
Yes, but that was because Mack got hurt. The offensive line just can't
change and keep on rolling the first couple of games. There's a ton
of timing, and protection calls, and coordination...
But they got it back. We'll see if the running game keeps on keeping on.
I think it also had more to do with our new Center essentially not having played at all for 2 years, and getting thrust in as a starter his first game back. Now his game speed, endurance, recognition, and all that are starting to come back, and we are seeing the O-Line gelling again.
Assuming we either don't make the playoffs, or get bumped in the 1st round, I think Shanahan stays with the Browns. He specifically decided to search for a job without Daddy, because I think he wanted to prove that his skill set was not because of his dad. He started proving that in Houston and had a set back in Washington, because Mike Shanahan was too egotistical. I think he's showing with the Browns, again, that he's an offensive genius.
I think he takes another year of stability as OC before he moves on. There will be head coaching opportunities every year.
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