Respect from a Ravens Fan
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Before losing Smith they had a case for most complete, but once Gordon is back the Browns have a much bigger case for that title.I am not going to bust this kids balls. I venture to say that he was probably not a sentient human being when the whole "move" thing happened. It has been almost 20 years ago and I suggest this poster is probably in his early 20s at best.
Odd to think that there are a generation of Ravens fans (and Browns fans) that don't remember that whole ordeal.
To them, the "Browns to Baltimore" fiasco is as ancient history perhaps as the "Cleveland Rams to LA" move is to many of us.
That said, Brian Billick was on Mike and Mike this morning and (admitting his personal bias) said that he thought the Ravens were the most complete team in the AFCN....but that the division could come down to that final game between the Browns and Ravens.
Not sure I necessarily agree that Ravens are most complete team. A position by position comparison must be made.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Before losing Smith they had a case for most complete, but once Gordon is back the Browns have a much bigger case for that title.
A solid team does NOT one wide receiver make...
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Zombo said:
That respect means so much coming from a fan that supports a stolen team.
Yeah, we've been an "easy win" for you for you for so long since last year when we pounded you 24-16 with Jason Fucking Campbell.
That loss kept you out of the playoffs, Peckerwood, good luck trying to keep us out this year.
Zombo
See, that's just uncalled for. Can't change what happened by being bitter about it.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
See, that's just uncalled for. Can't change what happened by being bitter about it.
I don't think he is contemplating trying to change it. But, yes, he can be bitter about it, if he chooses. And you will have to bear the brunt of that bitterness....whether you choose to or not.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
See, that's just uncalled for. Can't change what happened by being bitter about it.
I don't think he is contemplating trying to change it. But, yes, he can be bitter about it, if he chooses. And you will have to bear the brunt of that bitterness....whether you choose to or not.
I don't think he is contemplating trying to change it. But, yes, he can be bitter about it, if he chooses. And you will have to bear the brunt of that bitterness....whether you choose to or not.
Didn't say he can't be bitter if you read my post. But meeting someone coming in with politeness with rudeness isn't necessary.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Except we didn't take your team, just some of the players and management. We didn't take "The Browns."
All of the players. All of the management. You even took the draft picks we earned to take Ogden and Lewis, your two Hall of Famers.
Blood on your hands.
Zombo
Zombo said:
All of the players. All of the management. You even took the draft picks we earned to take Ogden and Lewis, your two Hall of Famers.
Blood on your hands.
Zombo
Actually Z.....Bill Belichick and his coaching staff didn't go to Baltimore. And the only real management guy that went there was Kevin Byrne, Modell's paid mouthpiece. (actually, I think he is still there). Though, maybe if you include Ozzie that was the best asset they took. He was responsible for the choice of Ogden and Lewis.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Before losing Smith they had a case for most complete, but once Gordon is back the Browns have a much bigger case for that title.
A solid team does NOT one wide receiver make...
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Zombo said:
All of the players. All of the management. You even took the draft picks we earned to take Ogden and Lewis, your two Hall of Famers.
Blood on your hands.
Zombo
Actually Z.....Bill Belichick and his coaching staff didn't go to Baltimore. And the only real management guy that went there was Kevin Byrne, Modell's paid mouthpiece. (actually, I think he is still there). Though, maybe if you include Ozzie that was the best asset they took. He was responsible for the choice of Ogden and Lewis.
Actually Z.....Bill Belichick and his coaching staff didn't go to Baltimore. And the only real management guy that went there was Kevin Byrne, Modell's paid mouthpiece. (actually, I think he is still there). Though, maybe if you include Ozzie that was the best asset they took. He was responsible for the choice of Ogden and Lewis.
Yes Byrne is still with Baltimore. And I don't think anyone aside from 2 minor players from that team ended up being on the roster in 2000 when we won the Super Bowl. Yes we did get Ozzie and that was huge. But to be bitter about taking the team to me isn't correctly expressed anger because we really didn't take "The Browns" we took players and staff and they eventually became starting and cornerstone pieces for a new franchise while the Browns deactivated for several years.
So it'd be more correct to say "I still hold anger towards Baltimore because they stole Ozzie and important pieces that contributes towards Super Bowl wins for them."
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Except we didn't take your team, just some of the players and management. We didn't take "The Browns."
News flash. Players and management make up "the team". 53 empty uniforms and a logo do NOT make a team!
You might not have taken "the browns". But you took all "the browns players" and all "the browns coaches".
Thats enough for me. If fans in ANY city should understand the pain of our team moving, it should have been the Baltimore fans. But instead, they gloated and danced on our teams grave. So I say fuck you all. Enjoy your team. See you week 17.
News flash. Players and management make up "the team". 53 empty uniforms and a logo do NOT make a team!
You might not have taken "the browns". But you took all "the browns players" and all "the browns coaches".
I disagree. Only about half that number of players actually had contracts assigned to the Ravens. And the coaches here didn't go at all.
To me, the most important part of a team are its history and its fans. We didn't lose those.
The rest: players/coaches/even owners are fungible. When the Ravens won their title in 2000....only like 2-3 players that were assigned to them from the Browns roster were still with that team. And one was kicker Matt Stover. And they were already on what, their 2d/3rd coach with Billick?
AND they WERE on a new beneficial owner. Modell may have been titular owner then, but Biscotti was the real owner after he contracted to buy at first a minority interest in the team...and held an option for the rest of it.
Thats enough for me. If fans in ANY city should understand the pain of our team moving, it should have been the Baltimore fans. But instead, they gloated and danced on our teams grave. So I say fuck you all. Enjoy your team. See you week 17.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Except we didn't take your team, just some of the players and management. We didn't take "The Browns."
All of the players. All of the management. You even took the draft picks we earned to take Ogden and Lewis, your two Hall of Famers.
Blood on your hands.
Zombo
Zombo said:
All of the players. All of the management. You even took the draft picks we earned to take Ogden and Lewis, your two Hall of Famers.
Blood on your hands.
Zombo
Again, we didn't take ALL of the management.
You can be bitter about it all you want, but to just flat out rude to us because we root for that team isn't necessary.
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I don't think he is contemplating trying to change it. But, yes, he can be bitter about it, if he chooses. And you will have to bear the brunt of that bitterness....whether you choose to or not.
Didn't say he can't be bitter if you read my post. But meeting someone coming in with politeness with rudeness isn't necessary.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Didn't say he can't be bitter if you read my post. But meeting someone coming in with politeness with rudeness isn't necessary.
Sorry, but you are not the one that gets to determine what is necessary and what isn't. Besides, even if it isn't necessary, Zombo may feel it in desirable.
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Jesus does this have to happen every time a Ravens fan comes to this board? It's over guys. It's been over. It sucked balls and they got the better end of it but it's over. Does this happen every time a colts fan goes to the ravens forum?
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
most of us were just guilty of being happy we were getting a team, albeit at Cleveland's expense.
"Ya I feel guilty that Dad stole everything that guy had, but we really enjoyed the stuff. And after three years of being out of business and 15 years of struggling, that guy is doing alright now, so no harm done."
which is by far the fairest shake a city losing its team has ever gotten. It's never going to be made right, but taking it out on people who aren't responsible isn't necessary.
It is never going to be right. So as long as you enjoy that team, if you step in here you're going to hear about it.
It could be worse, we could be giving you a hard time for Ray Lewis whisking away the killers in a double homocide and then lying about it ... or Ray Rice cold cocking his wife in an elevator and then dragging her motionless body long enough to qualify for his longest carry of the year ... but we're not, I'm just bringing up two things you need to come to terms with:
1. Your city stole our team and you derive pleasure from it.
2. We bitchslapped your asses last year with Campbell at QB, so don't come in here and tell us we aren't an easy win anymore.
Zombo
Zombo said:
"Ya I feel guilty that Dad stole everything that guy had, but we really enjoyed the stuff. And after three years of being out of business and 15 years of struggling, that guy is doing alright now, so no harm done."
That's not a good analogy as my relationship to the Maryland officials wasn't close to a father/son relationship and we didn't steal everything, we left the name and history, and no one is saying "no harm done" rather "Wasn't my fault, I feel bad but it's 20 years later and now the Browns are starting to come back into being competitive. It's actually a big compliment because the Browns and the city of Cleveland have overcome much adversity to make it this far.
It is never going to be right. So as long as you enjoy that team, if you step in here you're going to hear about it.
It could be worse, we could be giving you a hard time for Ray Lewis whisking away the killers in a double homocide and then lying about it ... or Ray Rice cold cocking his wife in an elevator and then dragging her motionless body long enough to qualify for his longest carry of the year ... but we're not, I'm just bringing up two things you need to come to terms with:
1. Your city stole our team and you derive pleasure from it.
2. We bitchslapped your asses last year with Campbell at QB, so don't come in here and tell us we aren't an easy win anymore.
Zombo
He didn't specify just this year you guys stopped being an easy win you just grabbed that out of no where.
I agree with 1. You need to come to terms with this:
I, the person talking to you, had nothing to do with what happened to the Browns. I'm sorry it happened, but was I supposed to not be happy we finally got a team after we lost ours and our history and namesake many years previously? And after we'd lost hope we'd ever get a team because of the asshole Redskins owner who didn't want competition made sure we were passed over for any expansion, we finally had a team again. It happened at Cleveland's expense but it worked out better than any other team leaving a city in the entire history of the NFL. You lost that current team but not the actual Browns.
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Jesus does this have to happen every time a Ravens fan comes to this board? It's over guys. It's been over. It sucked balls and they got the better end of it but it's over. Does this happen every time a colts fan goes to the ravens forum?
Jesus does this have to happen every time a Ravens fan comes to this board? It's over guys. It's been over. It sucked balls and they got the better end of it but it's over. Does this happen every time a colts fan goes to the ravens forum?
No Cysko, we have several very regular Colts posters we get along with.
Now there are always a few outliers who will never refer to the Colts as anything but "The team from Indianapolis", but other than that it's civil.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
most of us were just guilty of being happy we were getting a team, albeit at Cleveland's expense.
"Ya I feel guilty that Dad stole everything that guy had, but we really enjoyed the stuff. And after three years of being out of business and 15 years of struggling, that guy is doing alright now, so no harm done."
which is by far the fairest shake a city losing its team has ever gotten. It's never going to be made right, but taking it out on people who aren't responsible isn't necessary.
It is never going to be right. So as long as you enjoy that team, if you step in here you're going to hear about it.
It could be worse, we could be giving you a hard time for Ray Lewis whisking away the killers in a double homocide and then lying about it ... or Ray Rice cold cocking his wife in an elevator and then dragging her motionless body long enough to qualify for his longest carry of the year ... but we're not, I'm just bringing up two things you need to come to terms with:
1. Your city stole our team and you derive pleasure from it.
2. We bitchslapped your asses last year with Campbell at QB, so don't come in here and tell us we aren't an easy win anymore.
Zombo
Zombo said:
... or Ray Rice cold cocking his wife in an elevator and then dragging her motionless body long enough to qualify for his longest carry of the year ...
Idk if I should feel bad for laughing out loud when I read this.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Didn't say he can't be bitter if you read my post. But meeting someone coming in with politeness with rudeness isn't necessary.
Sorry, but you are not the one that gets to determine what is necessary and what isn't. Besides, even if it isn't necessary, Zombo may feel it in desirable.
Sorry, but you are not the one that gets to determine what is necessary and what isn't. Besides, even if it isn't necessary, Zombo may feel it in desirable.
I manage not to blow up on every Colts fan who comes and politely talks me. Many of us do.
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Zombo said:
... or Ray Rice cold cocking his wife in an elevator and then dragging her motionless body long enough to qualify for his longest carry of the year ...
Idk if I should feel bad for laughing out loud when I read this.
Idk if I should feel bad for laughing out loud when I read this.
I chuckled...though it's truly sad at the same time.
Ravens need to take a hint and not draft anymore players named Ray...Lol
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Ravens need to take a hint and not draft anymore players named Ray...Lol
And Ravens fans need to take a hint and understand:
#1) They are Cleveland fans rivals, therefore many of us dont WANT to be civil or talk football with you. That will never change(hint hint)
#2) We dont care about Indy fans or how they interact with Baltimore fans. Just because Baltimore rolled over and took it in the ass, doesn't mean we're willing to do the same. The reason we still have our colors is ONLY because BROWNS fans weren't taking it and stepped up
#3) We aren't gonna kiss and be friends just because some time has passed. The Ravens(and their fans) can kiss my ass. And I sure as hell wouldn't go to a steelers board and act all girlish because they dont like me. I would expect them to not like me. Thats how it goes.
#4) Finally, If you come here as a "rep" for Baltimore and the Ravens(and you do), then dont try to separate yourself from them. Accept your team for what it is. Stolen from Cleveland. And accept that people in Cleveland still feel the sting. And accept that YOU choose to represent that team here. So, take it or leave. But dont act as if we dont have the right, in our own house, to be angry about it. Or direct our anger toward Ravens fans who like to hang at Browns boards and want us to act as if we're long lost friends.
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I, the person talking to you, had nothing to do with what happened to the Browns. I'm sorry it happened, but was I supposed to not be happy we finally got a team after we lost ours and our history and namesake many years previously? And after we'd lost hope we'd ever get a team because of the asshole Redskins owner who didn't want competition made sure we were passed over for any expansion, we finally had a team again. It happened at Cleveland's expense but it worked out better than any other team leaving a city in the entire history of the NFL. You lost that current team but not the actual Browns.
Actually, Cleveland did much better the last time a team left here.
FYI, the Rams won the 1945 NFL title....and then left for LA the following year.
But then the Browns came in.......and they won 5 consecutive titles....and played in 10 consecutive title games winning 7...making Cleveland having won 8 championships in the course of 11 years. And 7 of those were by the Browns.
Needless to say, this time around we didn't do so well.
So let's not talk about how good things turned out, OK?
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Sorry, but you are not the one that gets to determine what is necessary and what isn't. Besides, even if it isn't necessary, Zombo may feel it in desirable.
I manage not to blow up on every Colts fan who comes and politely talks me. Many of us do.
afcnorthravensfan509 said:
I manage not to blow up on every Colts fan who comes and politely talks me. Many of us do.
So, your answer implies that several others of you DO blow up on Indy Colts fans.
Ergo, it seems, you are getting the same treatment here that your ilk give Indy Colts fans. Some of you are polite, some of you are not. Some of us are polite, some of us are not.
Same both places apparently. I see no cause for you to complain about equal treatment.
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afcnorthravensfan509 said:
Ravens need to take a hint and not draft anymore players named Ray...Lol
And Ravens fans need to take a hint and understand:
#1) They are Cleveland fans rivals, therefore many of us dont WANT to be civil or talk football with you. That will never change(hint hint)
#2) We dont care about Indy fans or how they interact with Baltimore fans. Just because Baltimore rolled over and took it in the ass, doesn't mean we're willing to do the same. The reason we still have our colors is ONLY because BROWNS fans weren't taking it and stepped up
#3) We aren't gonna kiss and be friends just because some time has passed. The Ravens(and their fans) can kiss my ass. And I sure as hell wouldn't go to a steelers board and act all girlish because they dont like me. I would expect them to not like me. Thats how it goes.
#4) Finally, If you come here as a "rep" for Baltimore and the Ravens(and you do), then dont try to separate yourself from them. Accept your team for what it is. Stolen from Cleveland. And accept that people in Cleveland still feel the sting. And accept that YOU choose to represent that team here. So, take it or leave. But dont act as if we dont have the right, in our own house, to be angry about it. Or direct our anger toward Ravens fans who like to hang at Browns boards and want us to act as if we're long lost friends.
And Ravens fans need to take a hint and understand:
#1) They are Cleveland fans rivals, therefore many of us dont WANT to be civil or talk football with you. That will never change(hint hint)
#2) We dont care about Indy fans or how they interact with Baltimore fans. Just because Baltimore rolled over and took it in the ass, doesn't mean we're willing to do the same. The reason we still have our colors is ONLY because BROWNS fans weren't taking it and stepped up
Actually, that has nothing to do with it. We still have the Browns because of the work of good lawyers. Its true. The lease was written to require Browns games for the terms of it to be played in CMS. A court awarded specific performance of that obligation in its ruling. Just telling you the facts.
We fans like to think we had something to do with it.....but we didn't.
#3) We aren't gonna kiss and be friends just because some time has passed. The Ravens(and their fans) can kiss my ass. And I sure as hell wouldn't go to a steelers board and act all girlish because they dont like me. I would expect them to not like me. Thats how it goes.
#4) Finally, If you come here as a "rep" for Baltimore and the Ravens(and you do), then dont try to separate yourself from them. Accept your team for what it is. Stolen from Cleveland. And accept that people in Cleveland still feel the sting. And accept that YOU choose to represent that team here. So, take it or leave. But dont act as if we dont have the right, in our own house, to be angry about it. Or direct our anger toward Ravens fans who like to hang at Browns boards and want us to act as if we're long lost friends.
That said, all of what you say above is fair.
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"""""Actually, that has nothing to do with it. We still have the Browns because of the work of good lawyers. Its true. The lease was written to require Browns games for the terms of it to be played in CMS. A court awarded specific performance of that obligation in its ruling. Just telling you the facts.
We fans like to think we had something to do with it.....but we didn't."""""
Thats ok. Im just a delusional fan. The facts really mean nothing to me.
No matter what the reason is, that our colors stayed, the Browns fans stepped up like no other fans in history. Period.
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