Bills WR Hogan outplaying "superstar" Sammy Watkins
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George C said:
This..
I still can't believe you guys passed him up, because trash him as you will, but he may have been the guy to push you over the top this year, and maybe deep into the playoffs by constantly drawing double coverage with your QB ability to get him the ball.
We have that guy ... he is better than your guy.
We are going to be in deep playoff contention when we get him back.
We have only lost 3 games ... would we be a game better in the standings if we had drafted Watkins instead of Gilbert?
Maybe. But going forward, we have a tremendous #1 receiver and we had to have another corner for our defense and Gilbert's athletic ability is insane.
Oh ... and we get the #1 draft pick of your sinking ship next year.
No one hates Watkins, he's a terrific player. But have you seen Josh Gordon? He's completely healthy and starting next week, get to know him.
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Zombo said:
We have that guy ... he is better than your guy.
We are going to be in deep playoff contention when we get him back.
We have only lost 3 games ... would we be a game better in the standings if we had drafted Watkins instead of Gilbert?
Maybe. But going forward, we have a tremendous #1 receiver and we had to have another corner for our defense and Gilbert's athletic ability is insane.
Oh ... and we get the #1 draft pick of your sinking ship next year.
No one hates Watkins, he's a terrific player. But have you seen Josh Gordon? He's completely healthy and starting next week, get to know him.
Zombo
Just Gordon was the best receiver in the NFL last year and we won 4 games.
Buffalo is also going back to the tank, which makes that trade even better for us.
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I don't think many people are trashing him they are just saying that you could have traded up for less and nabbed Mike Evans and got similar production. You could have traded back and got Kelvin Benjamin and got better production ... Or stayed pat and actually drafted a QB to get them the ball and draft your WR later on in the 2nd, or any other position help you need.George C said:
This..
I still can't believe you guys passed him up, because trash him as you will, but he may have been the guy to push you over the top this year, and maybe deep into the playoffs by constantly drawing double coverage with your QB ability to get him the ball.
Why do you guys even show your ignorance trashing Watkins? Does it make you feel better about a thousand foot list of Browns first round busts throughout history?
You are only reinforcing the Neanderthal thinking Browns fans are known for throughout the country.
Buffalo has him, and you don't, and we are thrilled about it.
Why don't you concentrated this year and I personally hope you guys go all the way. Look at the positives that you guys have going instead of reinforcing your insecurities by being trashing what you covet.
You are solidly in control of the division.
You also have a couple of QBs to be proud of, and Buffalo..well... Has no one able to throw the ball that could hit the broad side of a barn with a handful of rice from two feet away. Parity at its best.
Instead you got Watkins who is really good for sure but hasn't (yet) separated himself from any of the other WRs drafted and we got out 2nd corner and a 10-18 pick next year to add BPA.
We've been fine without him. We'd be fine with him.
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Hogan has only outplayed Watkins, because Watkins has forced opposing D-coordinators to focus on HIM.
Agree, that trading multiple picks for a WR is stupid. The Bills win last night with better O-line play and better QB play. They could've fielded Megatron, Dez Bryant, and Sammy Watkins and still lost that game...
I knew Orton would drop back to Earth. He is NOT all-of-a-sudden going to take the NFL by storm in his 10th year. He's had plenty of opportunities to be good, but he has proven to be nothing better than a backup who can win 2-3 games in-a-pinch...
Now the Bills are stuck with no QB, a weak O-line, and no 1st round pick to improve at those spots... smh... Good news for us is they will continue to lose, thus improving our draft position next year...
Hogan has only outplayed Watkins, because Watkins has forced opposing D-coordinators to focus on HIM.
Agree, that trading multiple picks for a WR is stupid. The Bills win last night with better O-line play and better QB play. They could've fielded Megatron, Dez Bryant, and Sammy Watkins and still lost that game...
I knew Orton would drop back to Earth. He is NOT all-of-a-sudden going to take the NFL by storm in his 10th year. He's had plenty of opportunities to be good, but he has proven to be nothing better than a backup who can win 2-3 games in-a-pinch...
Now the Bills are stuck with no QB, a weak O-line, and no 1st round pick to improve at those spots... smh... Good news for us is they will continue to lose, thus improving our draft position next year...
the only person that stopped Kyle Orton from being great is Kyle Orton... He has the intelligence to have done it and an ok arm.. Alcoholism is a real killer... ask his buddy Jack Daniels.
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George C said:
I still can't believe you guys passed him up...Why are you so worried about the Browns?? You wanted him. and now you have him. Stop acting like an ass and go watch him play. Your happy with your pick and we are happy with our pick. Im not at the Bills board telling them they are dumb for making the trade, so why are you here telling us we are????
Why do you guys even show your ignorance trashing Watkins? Most of us aren't trashing him. I see a bunch of people saying he's very good, just not what OUR team needed or wanted. Does it hurt your brain to accept this?
Buffalo has him, and you don't<<<<<<<.( wow. no words to describe how childish this comment sounds) But, we are thrilled too.
You are solidly in control of the division....Yes we are. And we were 4-12 last year. So Id say our FO did one hell of a great job this off season. But we are still subjected to hearing about what he "didnt" do. He DID get a ton a great players, yet we hear about the one he didn't get. We are 6-3, yet all we hear we could be 7-2.
You also have a couple of QBs to be proud of.....Yes we do, yet you continue to yak about what we "dont" have....stop being such a soggy turd.
Watkins could be the best receiver EVER and I wouldnt care, because he's not on my team. Never was. There are lots of players we didn't draft and I can't spend my time worrying about "shoulda, coulda, woulda".....Thats what losers do.
To me, he's just another #1 receiver on another team in another division, just like the other 30 or so #1 receivers. So why would I care about him 1 way or the other?
He's the first receiver in history to cost two #1 picks. Lets hope, for the Bills sake, that he was worth it. Obviously the Browns didnt think so.
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George C said:
Well, I will revisit this in a few weeks my friend.. Then we will see if you are just as cocky after those lofty comments.
Believe it or not, the armour isn't as thick as you think..
Oh, it's gonna take a lot more than a few weeks to pan out buddy. We still have a pick to make next year and the players have barely started their careers. If you think a few weeks is all it takes to determine a players worth, then nothing you say has credibility.
THATS why you experts who "know it all" and draw conclusions based on only a few games dont get any football respect from me.
And Im not sure what I said that was "lofty" or "cocky". I basically just said he's YOUR receiver and I don't want him. Is that cocky? lofty? On the other hand, for YOU to come HERE and say:
1) We are rubbing shit in your faces??? really?..... It's you who came here to rub Sammy in our face, isnt it???
2) We are neanderthal thinking....ignorant fans???.......So who's the cocky one?
Look, I know you're only here to stir the pot and thats why you only engage in these types of discussions. But try as you might, I will never want Watkins. I dont regret passing on him. I dont regret having 2 picks next year. I dont regret waiting for Gordon. And I will never ever regret NOT paying 2 first round picks for a WR. Never ever ever.
So, come back in a few weeks if you like. For what? I dont know. Maybe Sammy will score another TD. Or maybe the Browns will lose and then you can claim is was because we didnt have Sammy. I dont know. Whats in a few weeks pray tell?
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In a few weeks is Cleveland @ Buffalo. Might be what he's talking about.
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ahhhhhhh. Could be. I dunno. But if so, yeah, one game between two teams is all it takes to determine how well their drafts went.
In truth, that game wont prove anything except which team played better that day.
Maybe he thinks if the Bills win, that means we blew it with Watkins??? OR, if the Browns win, that means we didn't????
Hell, I dont know. Just what will we learn??........................??
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I still don't get how some of you can't acknowledge what Hoyer would be doing this year and what he'll likely do next year if he had Gordon and Watkins to throw to along with possibly Cameron and slot types like Hawkins and Austin. I think Hawkins and Austin would have themselves simply unreal seasons with Gordon and Watkins out there. Plus Watkins would be our insurance for the next time Gordon gets popped. I get it we didn't draft him and frankly I was done with this discussion after my thread got locked. But you guys keep wanting to troll the Watkins discussion and make the Buffalo fan here feel like we already got way over on the Bills. We didn't get over on them, the didn't get over on us. If we take their pick and land some AAA talent with it, than maybe..i dunno. Does it matter? And why are we treating Bills fans like Steeler fgts that come round here? Srsly....obviously I want Buffalo to shit the bed this season so that pick is as high as possible, but I'm not gonna be an asshole to a Bills fan who really wasn't being a dick until people here were being a dick to him. Just fucking relax. For the immediate future we absolutely passed on production "right now" by not taking Watkins...that is beyond debate. If Gilbert becomes a Sherman/Revis type than we made out on it the deal. Now can we just drop it?
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George C said:
... (the AFCN) is as weak as it gets.
Once upon a time our Buffalo visitors were considered to be among the most intelligent, well mannered to drop by...
That seems like a long time ago now...
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George C said:
... (the AFCN) is as weak as it gets.
Once upon a time our Buffalo visitors were considered to be among the most intelligent, well mannered to drop by...
That seems like a long time ago now...
Once upon a time our Buffalo visitors were considered to be among the most intelligent, well mannered to drop by...That seems like a long time ago now...
It looks like he said that, I almost responded too, but that was actually a Browns fan, stuck inside his quote, saying that the AFC East is weak. Which it always is.
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New England could use some competition. One solid team that won Super Bowls a decade ago does not a division make.George C said:
New England runs the AFC east, and I would hardly call them weak... The rest of the teams yes, but as it sits right now, Cleveland has nothing for Brady and company.
Come get a taste of what we deal with each and every year...
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New England could use some competition. One solid team that won Super Bowls a decade ago does not a division make.George C said:
New England runs the AFC east, and I would hardly call them weak... The rest of the teams yes, but as it sits right now, Cleveland has nothing for Brady and company.
Come get a taste of what we deal with each and every year...
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Zombo said:
New England could use some competition. One solid team that won Super Bowls a decade ago does not a division make.
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Aren't Miami and Buffalo both amongst the top 5 defense's in the NFL right now? None of the AFC North's defense's were anywhere near the top of the ranking list I looked at the other day. Frankly neither was NE's. For years the AFC north was defined not by offense's amongst the best in the NFL, but by two of the best defense's in the NFL not just that year but consistent over many years. But I still wouldn't call the East a pussy division because they have 3 awful offense's.
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Zombo said:
New England could use some competition. One solid team that won Super Bowls a decade ago does not a division make.
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Aren't Miami and Buffalo both amongst the top 5 defense's in the NFL right now? None of the AFC North's defense's were anywhere near the top of the ranking list I looked at the other day. Frankly neither was NE's. For years the AFC north was defined not by offense's amongst the best in the NFL, but by two of the best defense's in the NFL not just that year but consistent over many years. But I still wouldn't call the East a pussy division because they have 3 awful offense's.
Aren't Miami and Buffalo both amongst the top 5 defense's in the NFL right now? None of the AFC North's defense's were anywhere near the top of the ranking list I looked at the other day. Frankly neither was NE's. For years the AFC north was defined not by offense's amongst the best in the NFL, but by two of the best defense's in the NFL not just that year but consistent over many years. But I still wouldn't call the East a pussy division because they have 3 awful offense's.
I dont think any body said they were pussies ... but Miami would be the 5th best team in the AFC North.
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Jerry Rice's rookie year, 1985. Jelly bracelets were in and nobody knows why: 927 yds on 49 nabs, 3 tds.
1986: 1,570 yds, 86 catches, 15 tds.
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Aren't Miami and Buffalo both amongst the top 5 defense's in the NFL right now? None of the AFC North's defense's were anywhere near the top of the ranking list I looked at the other day. Frankly neither was NE's. For years the AFC north was defined not by offense's amongst the best in the NFL, but by two of the best defense's in the NFL not just that year but consistent over many years. But I still wouldn't call the East a pussy division because they have 3 awful offense's.
I dont think any body said they were pussies ... but Miami would be the 5th best team in the AFC North.
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Zombo said:
I dont think any body said they were pussies ... but Miami would be the 5th best team in the AFC North.
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How do you come to that conclusion? I'm not saying you're wrong or you're right...but MIami has the 2nd best defense in the NFL and Buffalo the 7th. Blt is 11th I believe so they're the highest ranked AFC north team defensively. How can you be so sure that if Miami or Buffalo were in our division they wouldn't be a serious problem?
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Zombo said:
Who would you take ona nuetral field, 2nd place Miami or 4th place Baltimore?
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You mean who I rather the Browns face?
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Zombo said:
Who would you take ona nuetral field, 2nd place Miami or 4th place Baltimore?
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You mean who I rather the Browns face?
You mean who I rather the Browns face?
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
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You mean who I rather the Browns face?
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
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Zombo said:
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
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OVerall the Ravens but only because they have Flacco who imo is annoying as shit to look at but one of the elite QB's in the NFL. Without Flacco....I go Miami because their defense is better.
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Zombo said:
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
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OVerall the Ravens but only because they have Flacco who imo is annoying as shit to look at but one of the elite QB's in the NFL. Without Flacco....I go Miami because their defense is better.
OVerall the Ravens but only because they have Flacco who imo is annoying as shit to look at but one of the elite QB's in the NFL. Without Flacco....I go Miami because their defense is better.
I get what you are saying about the defenses, but my only point is that our fourth place team is better than their second place team.
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