Bills WR Hogan outplaying "superstar" Sammy Watkins
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I still don't get how some of you can't acknowledge what Hoyer would be doing this year and what he'll likely do next year if he had Gordon and Watkins to throw to along with possibly Cameron and slot types like Hawkins and Austin. I think Hawkins and Austin would have themselves simply unreal seasons with Gordon and Watkins out there. Plus Watkins would be our insurance for the next time Gordon gets popped. I get it we didn't draft him and frankly I was done with this discussion after my thread got locked. But you guys keep wanting to troll the Watkins discussion and make the Buffalo fan here feel like we already got way over on the Bills. We didn't get over on them, the didn't get over on us. If we take their pick and land some AAA talent with it, than maybe..i dunno. Does it matter? And why are we treating Bills fans like Steeler fgts that come round here? Srsly....obviously I want Buffalo to shit the bed this season so that pick is as high as possible, but I'm not gonna be an asshole to a Bills fan who really wasn't being a dick until people here were being a dick to him. Just fucking relax. For the immediate future we absolutely passed on production "right now" by not taking Watkins...that is beyond debate. If Gilbert becomes a Sherman/Revis type than we made out on it the deal. Now can we just drop it?
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George C said:
... (the AFCN) is as weak as it gets.
Once upon a time our Buffalo visitors were considered to be among the most intelligent, well mannered to drop by...
That seems like a long time ago now...
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George C said:
... (the AFCN) is as weak as it gets.
Once upon a time our Buffalo visitors were considered to be among the most intelligent, well mannered to drop by...
That seems like a long time ago now...
Once upon a time our Buffalo visitors were considered to be among the most intelligent, well mannered to drop by...That seems like a long time ago now...
It looks like he said that, I almost responded too, but that was actually a Browns fan, stuck inside his quote, saying that the AFC East is weak. Which it always is.
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New England could use some competition. One solid team that won Super Bowls a decade ago does not a division make.George C said:
New England runs the AFC east, and I would hardly call them weak... The rest of the teams yes, but as it sits right now, Cleveland has nothing for Brady and company.
Come get a taste of what we deal with each and every year...
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New England could use some competition. One solid team that won Super Bowls a decade ago does not a division make.George C said:
New England runs the AFC east, and I would hardly call them weak... The rest of the teams yes, but as it sits right now, Cleveland has nothing for Brady and company.
Come get a taste of what we deal with each and every year...
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Zombo said:
New England could use some competition. One solid team that won Super Bowls a decade ago does not a division make.
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Aren't Miami and Buffalo both amongst the top 5 defense's in the NFL right now? None of the AFC North's defense's were anywhere near the top of the ranking list I looked at the other day. Frankly neither was NE's. For years the AFC north was defined not by offense's amongst the best in the NFL, but by two of the best defense's in the NFL not just that year but consistent over many years. But I still wouldn't call the East a pussy division because they have 3 awful offense's.
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Zombo said:
New England could use some competition. One solid team that won Super Bowls a decade ago does not a division make.
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Aren't Miami and Buffalo both amongst the top 5 defense's in the NFL right now? None of the AFC North's defense's were anywhere near the top of the ranking list I looked at the other day. Frankly neither was NE's. For years the AFC north was defined not by offense's amongst the best in the NFL, but by two of the best defense's in the NFL not just that year but consistent over many years. But I still wouldn't call the East a pussy division because they have 3 awful offense's.
Aren't Miami and Buffalo both amongst the top 5 defense's in the NFL right now? None of the AFC North's defense's were anywhere near the top of the ranking list I looked at the other day. Frankly neither was NE's. For years the AFC north was defined not by offense's amongst the best in the NFL, but by two of the best defense's in the NFL not just that year but consistent over many years. But I still wouldn't call the East a pussy division because they have 3 awful offense's.
I dont think any body said they were pussies ... but Miami would be the 5th best team in the AFC North.
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Jerry Rice's rookie year, 1985. Jelly bracelets were in and nobody knows why: 927 yds on 49 nabs, 3 tds.
1986: 1,570 yds, 86 catches, 15 tds.
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Aren't Miami and Buffalo both amongst the top 5 defense's in the NFL right now? None of the AFC North's defense's were anywhere near the top of the ranking list I looked at the other day. Frankly neither was NE's. For years the AFC north was defined not by offense's amongst the best in the NFL, but by two of the best defense's in the NFL not just that year but consistent over many years. But I still wouldn't call the East a pussy division because they have 3 awful offense's.
I dont think any body said they were pussies ... but Miami would be the 5th best team in the AFC North.
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Zombo said:
I dont think any body said they were pussies ... but Miami would be the 5th best team in the AFC North.
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How do you come to that conclusion? I'm not saying you're wrong or you're right...but MIami has the 2nd best defense in the NFL and Buffalo the 7th. Blt is 11th I believe so they're the highest ranked AFC north team defensively. How can you be so sure that if Miami or Buffalo were in our division they wouldn't be a serious problem?
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Zombo said:
Who would you take ona nuetral field, 2nd place Miami or 4th place Baltimore?
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You mean who I rather the Browns face?
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Zombo said:
Who would you take ona nuetral field, 2nd place Miami or 4th place Baltimore?
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You mean who I rather the Browns face?
You mean who I rather the Browns face?
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
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You mean who I rather the Browns face?
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
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Zombo said:
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
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OVerall the Ravens but only because they have Flacco who imo is annoying as shit to look at but one of the elite QB's in the NFL. Without Flacco....I go Miami because their defense is better.
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Zombo said:
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
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OVerall the Ravens but only because they have Flacco who imo is annoying as shit to look at but one of the elite QB's in the NFL. Without Flacco....I go Miami because their defense is better.
OVerall the Ravens but only because they have Flacco who imo is annoying as shit to look at but one of the elite QB's in the NFL. Without Flacco....I go Miami because their defense is better.
I get what you are saying about the defenses, but my only point is that our fourth place team is better than their second place team.
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Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
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Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
You could have had any one of those receivers for 1 1st round pick, or you could have had watkins for 2. Which would you choose? That is the question,
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Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
you're a female?
that explains it.
don't you realize one player doesn't make a difference? yeah evans was my fave receiver and yeah he had a great game...how many wins do they have? how about carolina? how did philly look today?
how about mack on defense for oakland. yeah he single-handedly stopped the chargers today...NOT.
exactly.
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Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
you're a female?
that explains it.
don't you realize one player doesn't make a difference? yeah evans was my fave receiver and yeah he had a great game...how many wins do they have? how about carolina? how did philly look today?
how about mack on defense for oakland. yeah he single-handedly stopped the chargers today...NOT.
exactly.
you're a female?
that explains it.
don't you realize one player doesn't make a difference? yeah evans was my fave receiver and yeah he had a great game...how many wins do they have? how about carolina? how did philly look today?
how about mack on defense for oakland. yeah he single-handedly stopped the chargers today...NOT.
exactly.
Mack would be nice in a Browns uni right about now. I knew he was going to be awesome and he is, probably be def. rookie of the year. Yeah he can't win games single handedly, especially not on the Raiders. But we could have moved him around the entire LB'ing corp. Him learning under Dansby=perfect.
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George C said:
"What a Difference a Day Makes" 24 little hours....
The point is that we, as in our teams are still pretty weak overall, and more parts are needed.
Others, disappointing loss for sure, but Watt has that effect of other game plans.
I agree.
Watt was "as advertised", no surprises there.
And, after 24 little hours, I am more convinced than ever that we need that extra draft pick next year(thanks!). No WR would have made the difference yesterday. But a nice linebacker or D tackle next year just might.
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George C said:
"What a Difference a Day Makes" 24 little hours....
The point is that we, as in our teams are still pretty weak overall, and more parts are needed.
Others, disappointing loss for sure, but Watt has that effect of other game plans.
I agree.
Watt was "as advertised", no surprises there.
And, after 24 little hours, I am more convinced than ever that we need that extra draft pick next year(thanks!). No WR would have made the difference yesterday. But a nice linebacker or D tackle next year just might.
I agree.
Watt was "as advertised", no surprises there.
And, after 24 little hours, I am more convinced than ever that we need that extra draft pick next year(thanks!). No WR would have made the difference yesterday. But a nice linebacker or D tackle next year just might.
Don't be silly, we would have won that game with Sammy Watkins. I hear he's a monster blocker and would have been able to cover Watt for his TD.
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