Bills WR Hogan outplaying "superstar" Sammy Watkins
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Zombo said:
New England could use some competition. One solid team that won Super Bowls a decade ago does not a division make.
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Aren't Miami and Buffalo both amongst the top 5 defense's in the NFL right now? None of the AFC North's defense's were anywhere near the top of the ranking list I looked at the other day. Frankly neither was NE's. For years the AFC north was defined not by offense's amongst the best in the NFL, but by two of the best defense's in the NFL not just that year but consistent over many years. But I still wouldn't call the East a pussy division because they have 3 awful offense's.
Aren't Miami and Buffalo both amongst the top 5 defense's in the NFL right now? None of the AFC North's defense's were anywhere near the top of the ranking list I looked at the other day. Frankly neither was NE's. For years the AFC north was defined not by offense's amongst the best in the NFL, but by two of the best defense's in the NFL not just that year but consistent over many years. But I still wouldn't call the East a pussy division because they have 3 awful offense's.
I dont think any body said they were pussies ... but Miami would be the 5th best team in the AFC North.
Z
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Jerry Rice's rookie year, 1985. Jelly bracelets were in and nobody knows why: 927 yds on 49 nabs, 3 tds.
1986: 1,570 yds, 86 catches, 15 tds.
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Aren't Miami and Buffalo both amongst the top 5 defense's in the NFL right now? None of the AFC North's defense's were anywhere near the top of the ranking list I looked at the other day. Frankly neither was NE's. For years the AFC north was defined not by offense's amongst the best in the NFL, but by two of the best defense's in the NFL not just that year but consistent over many years. But I still wouldn't call the East a pussy division because they have 3 awful offense's.
I dont think any body said they were pussies ... but Miami would be the 5th best team in the AFC North.
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Zombo said:
I dont think any body said they were pussies ... but Miami would be the 5th best team in the AFC North.
Z
How do you come to that conclusion? I'm not saying you're wrong or you're right...but MIami has the 2nd best defense in the NFL and Buffalo the 7th. Blt is 11th I believe so they're the highest ranked AFC north team defensively. How can you be so sure that if Miami or Buffalo were in our division they wouldn't be a serious problem?
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Zombo said:
Who would you take ona nuetral field, 2nd place Miami or 4th place Baltimore?
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You mean who I rather the Browns face?
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Zombo said:
Who would you take ona nuetral field, 2nd place Miami or 4th place Baltimore?
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You mean who I rather the Browns face?
You mean who I rather the Browns face?
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
Z
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You mean who I rather the Browns face?
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
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Zombo said:
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
Z
OVerall the Ravens but only because they have Flacco who imo is annoying as shit to look at but one of the elite QB's in the NFL. Without Flacco....I go Miami because their defense is better.
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Zombo said:
No ... who do you think is the better football team, Ravens or Dolphins?
Z
OVerall the Ravens but only because they have Flacco who imo is annoying as shit to look at but one of the elite QB's in the NFL. Without Flacco....I go Miami because their defense is better.
OVerall the Ravens but only because they have Flacco who imo is annoying as shit to look at but one of the elite QB's in the NFL. Without Flacco....I go Miami because their defense is better.
I get what you are saying about the defenses, but my only point is that our fourth place team is better than their second place team.
Z
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Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
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Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
You could have had any one of those receivers for 1 1st round pick, or you could have had watkins for 2. Which would you choose? That is the question,
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Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
you're a female?
that explains it.
don't you realize one player doesn't make a difference? yeah evans was my fave receiver and yeah he had a great game...how many wins do they have? how about carolina? how did philly look today?
how about mack on defense for oakland. yeah he single-handedly stopped the chargers today...NOT.
exactly.
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Mike Evans had two TDs for 200+ yards against Redskins. Kelvin Benjamin and philly Brown both scored. Martavis Bryant has scored in his last three games. Rookie wide receivers don't make a difference. Jordan Mathews made Mark Sanchez look like Bart Starr last week but rookie wide receivers don't make a difference.
you're a female?
that explains it.
don't you realize one player doesn't make a difference? yeah evans was my fave receiver and yeah he had a great game...how many wins do they have? how about carolina? how did philly look today?
how about mack on defense for oakland. yeah he single-handedly stopped the chargers today...NOT.
exactly.
you're a female?
that explains it.
don't you realize one player doesn't make a difference? yeah evans was my fave receiver and yeah he had a great game...how many wins do they have? how about carolina? how did philly look today?
how about mack on defense for oakland. yeah he single-handedly stopped the chargers today...NOT.
exactly.
Mack would be nice in a Browns uni right about now. I knew he was going to be awesome and he is, probably be def. rookie of the year. Yeah he can't win games single handedly, especially not on the Raiders. But we could have moved him around the entire LB'ing corp. Him learning under Dansby=perfect.
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George C said:
"What a Difference a Day Makes" 24 little hours....
The point is that we, as in our teams are still pretty weak overall, and more parts are needed.
Others, disappointing loss for sure, but Watt has that effect of other game plans.
I agree.
Watt was "as advertised", no surprises there.
And, after 24 little hours, I am more convinced than ever that we need that extra draft pick next year(thanks!). No WR would have made the difference yesterday. But a nice linebacker or D tackle next year just might.
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George C said:
"What a Difference a Day Makes" 24 little hours....
The point is that we, as in our teams are still pretty weak overall, and more parts are needed.
Others, disappointing loss for sure, but Watt has that effect of other game plans.
I agree.
Watt was "as advertised", no surprises there.
And, after 24 little hours, I am more convinced than ever that we need that extra draft pick next year(thanks!). No WR would have made the difference yesterday. But a nice linebacker or D tackle next year just might.
I agree.
Watt was "as advertised", no surprises there.
And, after 24 little hours, I am more convinced than ever that we need that extra draft pick next year(thanks!). No WR would have made the difference yesterday. But a nice linebacker or D tackle next year just might.
Don't be silly, we would have won that game with Sammy Watkins. I hear he's a monster blocker and would have been able to cover Watt for his TD.
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George C said:
Zombo,
Cleveland is on fire?
Enter Dinah Washington's classic, "What a Difference a Day Makes" 24 little hours....
Back to the real world my friend.. And here in Buffalo, it sucks...
The point is that we, as in our teams are still pretty weak overall, and more parts are needed. Don't get too high, or too low after a game.
Did you see NE last night? We have to deal with that 5 headed monster twice a year, and until Brady retires, or we get a QB remotely as great, we have little chance. It is ALL about the QB, case closed. Until our teams hit on one, this inconsistency is what we get.
Others, disappointing loss for sure, but Watt has that effect of other game plans.
Your world does suck, because you are a Bills fan.
My Browns, on the other hand, are a half game out of first, with the best WR in football joining the team today.
You sure love to play the "poor pity me, we are in the same division as New England" card. Let me point out some things: Baltimore and Pittsburgh have three Super Bowls since NE won one. The AFC North features four teams that are better than the Bills this year. That's right, all four. There are no Jets in our division. Don't forget, the Patriots basically start out 4-0 every season because they have the Bills and Jets twice.
Zombo
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you're a female?
that explains it.
don't you realize one player doesn't make a difference? yeah evans was my fave receiver and yeah he had a great game...how many wins do they have? how about carolina? how did philly look today?
how about mack on defense for oakland. yeah he single-handedly stopped the chargers today...NOT.
exactly.
Mack would be nice in a Browns uni right about now. I knew he was going to be awesome and he is, probably be def. rookie of the year. Yeah he can't win games single handedly, especially not on the Raiders. But we could have moved him around the entire LB'ing corp. Him learning under Dansby=perfect.
Mack would be nice in a Browns uni right about now. I knew he was going to be awesome and he is, probably be def. rookie of the year. Yeah he can't win games single handedly, especially not on the Raiders. But we could have moved him around the entire LB'ing corp. Him learning under Dansby=perfect.
oh hell yeah. farmer decided to go in another direction in the draft. we'll see how it plays out. you have to understand farmer played in the defensive backfield as safety at duke. LB in philly. he and pettine are both defensive guys, they are going to favor the defense every time IMO. believe me, i hope to hell we address the LB position next year PLENTY. DL and OL as well. throw in a big tall WR and TE and i'm good.
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George C said:
I'm sure you will use it to draft another stud like Barkevious Mingo..Or maybe maybe really hit the jack pot and draft another Brandon Weeden or Trent Richardson. Possibly another instant contributor like..well. Brady Quinn or Helen Winslow II.
And yet, with all those screwups with first rounders, the Browns are still better......and the Bills haven't seen the playoffs longer than the Browns have seen the playoffs.
Neither team can brag about the past decade plus.
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George C said:
What I'm trying to be is a gentleman. And I am puling for the Browns to win the division for the rest of the fanbase who isn't as cocky as some on this thread.
And BTW, you went from "on fire" first, right to dead last in those 24 little hours. Maybe personal Karma from all of the large talk?
Dont count your chickens before they hatch. As far as the Bills, we'll reserve that debate for two weeks.
We're still on fire, Buffalo Breath. One loss does not a Season make.
The whole "counting chickens" thing ... I didn't see hardly anybody on here taking the Texans game for granted. I know I didn't. In fact I believe I said to you "we are either going to be first place at 7-3 or 6-4 and a half game out at worst" when we get JG back, does that sound like someone counting unhatched chickens, dickweed? I knew they were getting defensive studs back and that they would be a rough matchup for us. it's just a bump in the road. Browns are still going to roll, and we're bringing the Ferrari out of the garage this week.
Zombo
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George C said:
I'm sure you will use it to draft another stud like Barkevious Mingo..Or maybe maybe really hit the jack pot and draft another Brandon Weeden or Trent Richardson. Possibly another instant contributor like..well. Brady Quinn or Helen Winslow II.
Past regimes made those choices. This current one looks a lot smarter so far. I'd like to think the Watkins draft-trade will be a win/win for both of our teams.
Some people, like the original poster of this thread, are eager to look at the trade as a win for the Browns right now. Can't blame them really, but they need to cool it until we see what we do with Bills 2015 #1 draft pick AND at least a season or two of performance from that pick.
I agree with your QB issues affecting Watkins performance, and others are right that he is taking the heavier coverage, thereby allowing Hogan to "out-perform". That being said, I can't explain why our top WR Gordon dealt with similar circumstances last year yet made history that season...minus two games! Perhaps our GM is a shrewd operator as we all think he is and decided Bills first rounder next year and Gordon coming back at some point was a great plan. So far that's looked to be a good decision, IMO.
Gordon is our Watkins, and he didn't cost us a first round pick, and we know he's a play-maker.
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