Hoyer's contract
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i like what we have now but if you want to go back and look at a couple of ideas i had about QBs we could have taken a stab at....you might be surprised.
but michael vick? no never. he'll never be anything in my eyes but a scumbag.
i like what we have now but if you want to go back and look at a couple of ideas i had about QBs we could have taken a stab at....you might be surprised.
but michael vick? no never. he'll never be anything in my eyes but a scumbag.
yes I hate the fucker. Just saying if his ability was transferred to a nice guy.
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Oh come on Mik.
All other factors being equal.
(we can go back to the beginning of training camp or to the end of this season if it makes it easier)
And Chris you think the Titans would give up on Mettenberger this quick?
I'd be very surprised if the Bengals were ready to throw Dalton under the bus.
Or st. Louis with Bradford.
If he wasn't a shitbag wouldn't you have rather started training camp with Michael Vick?
WSS
Oh come on Mik.
All other factors being equal.
(we can go back to the beginning of training camp or to the end of this season if it makes it easier)
And Chris you think the Titans would give up on Mettenberger this quick?
I'd be very surprised if the Bengals were ready to throw Dalton under the bus.
Or st. Louis with Bradford.
If he wasn't a shitbag wouldn't you have rather started training camp with Michael Vick?
WSS
A sixth-rounder for a guy who has a winning career record in the NFL as a starter? I think they'd be very, very tempted.
I don't think the see Mettenberger as the definite future of the franchise - more just a project.
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i like what we have now but if you want to go back and look at a couple of ideas i had about QBs we could have taken a stab at....you might be surprised.
but michael vick? no never. he'll never be anything in my eyes but a scumbag.
yes I hate the fucker. Just saying if his ability was transferred to a nice guy.
WSS
yes I hate the fucker. Just saying if his ability was transferred to a nice guy.
WSS
maybe that nice guy at the beginning of his career. MAYBE. i'm not one that likes the idea of my QB (if it was my team) running around. vick did it well for many years. but the hits started taking a toll and somehow this year he's still on his feet. because in previous years he hasn't been able to finish the season.
i know what you're getting at and hey, if manziel is the guy that the brown's staff think is the best guy for the job, then play him. but up until this point i guess he hasn't shown that he's the guy....yet.
i'm all about the browns winning. if that means bring in hank the hobo and let him sling it, then do it.
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As I've said often enough I would keep Brian Hoyer starting at least for the rest of the season. It really hasnt been his poor play alone that's cost us games.
But neither have any fireworks from him been the difference in the games we won.
I do you think in order to win the AFC North a team needs to be a good team with a very good quarterback. Or a great team with as average quarterback. I don't think we have all the parts to be called a great team especially given the lack of depth at key positions.
So one of those two scenarios need to come to pass. And no, I'm not positive Johnny is that elite quarterback. But who knows?
WSS
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Turn the question around, Steve...
Which 2014 starters would you not trade Hoyer for?
I would not trade Hoyer for the following QBs who have started in 2014:
Orton, Manuel, G. Smith, Vick, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Mallet, Locker, Whitehurst, Mettenberger, Schaub, Romo, (Foles), Sanchez, RG3, Cousins, McCoy, Cutler, Bridgewater, Cassell, Ryan, McCown, Glennon, Bradford, Austin, Hill, Kaepernick
Put Foles in parenthesis as I might go for him...
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2014 Regular Season NFL Leaders
RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR
1 Aaron Rodgers, GB 61.6 5.2 -12.6 4.7 58.9 393 82.9 51.5 85.9
2 Philip Rivers, SD 61.1 0.7 -8.8 4.7 57.7 409 74.8 42.2 80.5
3 Peyton Manning, DEN 63.4 -1.0 -6.1 3.0 59.4 475 85.7 47.9 80.0
4 Tony Romo, DAL 52.0 2.0 -12.8 2.8 43.9 332 58.3 31.8 78.9
5 Tom Brady, NE 52.8 -0.7 -7.2 5.3 50.2 441 71.9 36.7 75.9
6 Drew Brees, NO 57.2 2.4 -8.6 6.7 57.7 483 74.3 35.7 73.5
7 Andrew Luck, IND 52.5 1.3 -5.8 3.4 51.4 526 80.0 38.1 73.1
8 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 58.2 -1.8 -15.1 4.0 45.2 453 67.7 31.5 72.3
9 Matt Ryan, ATL 49.9 1.0 -12.9 2.1 40.1 453 56.7 20.5 65.1
10 Carson Palmer, ARI 33.9 -1.3 -6.8 3.6 29.4 276 34.3 12.2 64.8
11 Eli Manning, NYG 41.6 1.8 -11.5 5.0 37.0 435 52.8 18.2 64.0
12 Joe Flacco, BAL 36.2 0.8 -10.6 7.9 34.2 411 49.5 16.8 63.7
13 Nick Foles, PHI 31.0 1.8 -5.9 4.7 31.6 368 42.6 13.3 62.2
14 Russell Wilson, SEA 24.1 21.7 -11.1 -0.2 34.5 422 46.7 13.1 60.5
15 Jay Cutler, CHI 41.1 3.9 -12.1 1.5 34.4 470 49.8 12.4 59.0
16 Alex Smith, KC 32.6 6.4 -15.2 4.0 27.8 383 38.3 7.8 57.0
17 Matthew Stafford, DET 42.1 -0.8 -15.1 5.5 31.7 450 44.9 9.1 56.9
18 Andy Dalton, CIN 26.7 -0.3 -5.3 3.7 24.9 384 37.4 6.7 56.0
19 Mike Glennon, TB 23.1 -0.3 -6.8 0.8 16.7 263 25.5 4.6 55.9
20 Colin Kaepernick, SF 43.3 3.3 -18.4 2.7 30.9 454 42.6 6.4 54.9
21 Ryan Tannehill, MIA 38.2 2.4 -14.6 2.7 28.6 452 42.3 6.3 54.8
22 Brian Hoyer, CLE 37.3 -5.7 -10.0 1.0 22.6 392 32.6 1.3 51.2
23 Cam Newton, CAR 31.0 6.2 -16.8 3.1 23.6 470 36.0 -1.4 48.9
24 Kirk Cousins, WSH 16.2 -0.4 -5.7 1.5 11.6 250 17.6 -2.3 46.8
25 Ryan Fitzpatrick, HOU 21.7 3.5 -11.1 0.3 14.4 344 22.7 -4.7 45.3
26 Teddy Twatwater, MIN 18.1 3.3 -12.0 0.9 10.4 293 15.5 -7.8 40.9
27 Derek Carr, OAK 18.6 -0.2 -6.6 0.9 12.7 426 22.6 -11.4 40.9
28 Kyle Orton, BUF 23.5 -1.9 -11.6 -2.1 7.8 276 12.8 -9.2 38.7
29 Austin Davis, STL 23.3 -1.4 -15.6 1.6 7.9 355 15.3 -13.0 37.6
30 Geno Smith, NYJ 5.5 1.3 -8.5 0.8 -0.9 307 3.0 -21.5 27.6
31 Blake Bortles, JAX 3.4 0.9 -9.9 2.4 -3.1 366 0.8 -28.4 25.6 -
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i would trade hoyer right now and start manziel next week.
with the kid coming in the browns are GUARANTEED to win out and go to the super bowl. vegas would put the browns as the favorites the next day.
instead of throwing 50 times today because they couldn't run the ball we can have JF scramble 50 times.
CAN'T WAIT!!
fucking dickheads.
Mik it amazes me when after a loss how people are headhunting. Hell we were already missing many key starters and lost a few more yesterday. yet everyone is calling for Hoyers head on a platter as if he was the (only- Mod edit) reason for the loss. He didn't have the best day but for crying out loud look what he's done with a team of nobodies and castoffs I would compare to the Bad News Bears. Pretty impressive I would say. I wonder how many games we would have won this year with Manning or Brady as our QB. I'd say maybe 6. End of story. -
Turn the question around, Steve...
Which 2014 starters would you not trade Hoyer for?
I would not trade Hoyer for the following QBs who have started in 2014:
Orton, Manuel, G. Smith, Vick, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Mallet, Locker, Whitehurst, Mettenberger, Schaub, Romo, (Foles), Sanchez, RG3, Cousins, McCoy, Cutler, Bridgewater, Cassell, Ryan, McCown, Glennon, Bradford, Austin, Hill, Kaepernick
Put Foles in parenthesis as I might go for him...
Turn the question around, Steve...
Which 2014 starters would you not trade Hoyer for?
I would not trade Hoyer for the following QBs who have started in 2014:
Orton, Manuel, G. Smith, Vick, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Mallet, Locker, Whitehurst, Mettenberger, Schaub, Romo, (Foles), Sanchez, RG3, Cousins, McCoy, Cutler, Bridgewater, Cassell, Ryan, McCown, Glennon, Bradford, Austin, Hill, Kaepernick
Put Foles in parenthesis as I might go for him...
That list is absurd.
You're either kidding (which I doubt), or you're proving that you're such a Hoyer fan that you can not be trusted to have an honest opinion.
That list is absurd.
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"" yet everyone is calling for Hoyers head on a platter as if he was the reason for the loss""
Really? Everyone? Where?
I dont see that at all. Most of the comments I see say the whole team sucked. Of course, the regular hoyer haters will seize the moment. But I dont see anyone other than the usual crowd attacking Hoyer over Shanahan, the D or anyone else.
I do see people saying he's not worth Franchise money, but thats not asking for his head. Thats just assigning a dollar value to it.
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Turn the question around, Steve...
Which 2014 starters would you not trade Hoyer for?
I would not trade Hoyer for the following QBs who have started in 2014:
Orton, Manuel, G. Smith, Vick, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Mallet, Locker, Whitehurst, Mettenberger, Schaub, Romo, (Foles), Sanchez, RG3, Cousins, McCoy, Cutler, Bridgewater, Cassell, Ryan, McCown, Glennon, Bradford, Austin, Hill, Kaepernick
Put Foles in parenthesis as I might go for him...
That list is absurd.
You're either kidding (which I doubt), or you're proving that you're such a Hoyer fan that you can not be trusted to have an honest opinion.
That list is absurd.
That list is absurd.
You're either kidding (which I doubt), or you're proving that you're such a Hoyer fan that you can not be trusted to have an honest opinion.
That list is absurd.
Very persuasive argument... as usual.
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Turn the question around, Steve...
Which 2014 starters would you not trade Hoyer for?
I would not trade Hoyer for the following QBs who have started in 2014:
Orton, Manuel, G. Smith, Vick, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Mallet, Locker, Whitehurst, Mettenberger, Schaub, Romo, (Foles), Sanchez, RG3, Cousins, McCoy, Cutler, Bridgewater, Cassell, Ryan, McCown, Glennon, Bradford, Austin, Hill, Kaepernick
Put Foles in parenthesis as I might go for him...
That list is absurd.
You're either kidding (which I doubt), or you're proving that you're such a Hoyer fan that you can not be trusted to have an honest opinion.
That list is absurd.
That list is absurd.
You're either kidding (which I doubt), or you're proving that you're such a Hoyer fan that you can not be trusted to have an honest opinion.
That list is absurd.
It's not absurd. I disagree with a few of those, like I'd maybe take Ryan and Kaepernick off that list myself. Maybe Romo too if he didn't have the back issues. But he's not off the mark here.
Tour's point hits home. There are a hell of a lot of 2014 NFL starters lower on the list than Hoyer.
(Tour, you also forgot to add Weeden to that list.)
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Turn the question around, Steve...
Which 2014 starters would you not trade Hoyer for?
I would not trade Hoyer for the following QBs who have started in 2014:
Orton, Manuel, G. Smith, Vick, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Mallet, Locker, Whitehurst, Mettenberger, Schaub, Romo, (Foles), Sanchez, RG3, Cousins, McCoy, Cutler, Bridgewater, Cassell, Ryan, McCown, Glennon, Bradford, Austin, Hill, Kaepernick
Put Foles in parenthesis as I might go for him...
That list is absurd.
You're either kidding (which I doubt), or you're proving that you're such a Hoyer fan that you can not be trusted to have an honest opinion.
That list is absurd.
That list is absurd.
You're either kidding (which I doubt), or you're proving that you're such a Hoyer fan that you can not be trusted to have an honest opinion.
That list is absurd.
How so? I think its an accurate list. I might make an argument against Dalton and Cutler being added, however both have manic highs and lows and are prone to turnovers.
Beyond that, what's so "absurd"
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That list is absurd.
You're either kidding (which I doubt), or you're proving that you're such a Hoyer fan that you can not be trusted to have an honest opinion.
That list is absurd.
How so? I think its an accurate list. I might make an argument against Dalton and Cutler being added, however both have manic highs and lows and are prone to turnovers.
Beyond that, what's so "absurd"
How so? I think its an accurate list. I might make an argument against Dalton and Cutler being added, however both have manic highs and lows and are prone to turnovers.
Beyond that, what's so "absurd"
Whats absurd is if the Browns called the Cowboys, Bears, 49ers, Bengals or Falcons and asked to trade starters straight up there wouldn't even be time for a "No" before the phone hung up. Hoyers talent isn't even in the same ballpark as those QBs. He's not on the same radar.
Vikings and Redskins and Eagles would at least give you the dignity of saying "No" before hanging up.
Bills would think about it and then realize that Orton has outplayed Hoyer this year and then say "No"
Texans and Titans would say "Maybe, we need a placeholder"
Thats why its absurd. To even suggest for one second that Hoyer is an upgrade or on the same level of a Romo or a Ryan or even Cutler for all his picks, is absurd.
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How so? I think its an accurate list. I might make an argument against Dalton and Cutler being added, however both have manic highs and lows and are prone to turnovers.
Beyond that, what's so "absurd"
Whats absurd is if the Browns called the Cowboys, Bears, 49ers, Bengals or Falcons and asked to trade starters straight up there wouldn't even be time for a "No" before the phone hung up. Hoyers talent isn't even in the same ballpark as those QBs. He's not on the same radar.
Vikings and Redskins and Eagles would at least give you the dignity of saying "No" before hanging up.
Bills would think about it and then realize that Orton has outplayed Hoyer this year and then say "No"
Texans and Titans would say "Maybe, we need a placeholder"
Thats why its absurd. To even suggest for one second that Hoyer is an upgrade or on the same level of a Romo or a Ryan or even Cutler for all his picks, is absurd.
Whats absurd is if the Browns called the Cowboys, Bears, 49ers, Bengals or Falcons and asked to trade starters straight up there wouldn't even be time for a "No" before the phone hung up. Hoyers talent isn't even in the same ballpark as those QBs. He's not on the same radar.
Vikings and Redskins and Eagles would at least give you the dignity of saying "No" before hanging up.
Bills would think about it and then realize that Orton has outplayed Hoyer this year and then say "No"
Texans and Titans would say "Maybe, we need a placeholder"
Thats why its absurd. To even suggest for one second that Hoyer is an upgrade or on the same level of a Romo or a Ryan or even Cutler for all his picks, is absurd.
Romo not healthy is no where near an upgrade. I'd take Matty Ice. He's a very good QB. Cutler isn't that special, he has 2 pro bowl receivers that are able
to haul in his innaccurate passes.
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Turn the question around, Steve...
Which 2014 starters would you not trade Hoyer for?
I would not trade Hoyer for the following QBs who have started in 2014:
Orton, Manuel, G. Smith, Vick, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Mallet, Locker, Whitehurst, Mettenberger, Schaub, Romo, (Foles), Sanchez, RG3, Cousins, McCoy, Cutler, Bridgewater, Cassell, Ryan, McCown, Glennon, Bradford, Austin, Hill, Kaepernick
Put Foles in parenthesis as I might go for him...
Actually for most of those guys I think it would probably be a wash if the team was performing the way it was a while ago.Turn the question around, Steve...
Which 2014 starters would you not trade Hoyer for?
I would not trade Hoyer for the following QBs who have started in 2014:
Orton, Manuel, G. Smith, Vick, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Mallet, Locker, Whitehurst, Mettenberger, Schaub, Romo, (Foles), Sanchez, RG3, Cousins, McCoy, Cutler, Bridgewater, Cassell, Ryan, McCown, Glennon, Bradford, Austin, Hill, Kaepernick
Put Foles in parenthesis as I might go for him...
(that is putting most of the pressure on the running game and defense rather than winning or losing on the quarterback's shoulders)
My main reason for being a Hoyer fan is that he is one of us, a Northeast Ohio Cleveland Browns fan. And he beat the Steelers. I don't see a great amount of talent ability or football acumen that makes him stand out. Sorry.
If you with the general manager and had to release one or the other would it be Brian or Johnny?
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How so? I think its an accurate list. I might make an argument against Dalton and Cutler being added, however both have manic highs and lows and are prone to turnovers.
Beyond that, what's so "absurd"
Whats absurd is if the Browns called the Cowboys, Bears, 49ers, Bengals or Falcons and asked to trade starters straight up there wouldn't even be time for a "No" before the phone hung up. Hoyers talent isn't even in the same ballpark as those QBs. He's not on the same radar.
Vikings and Redskins and Eagles would at least give you the dignity of saying "No" before hanging up.
Bills would think about it and then realize that Orton has outplayed Hoyer this year and then say "No"
Texans and Titans would say "Maybe, we need a placeholder"
Thats why its absurd. To even suggest for one second that Hoyer is an upgrade or on the same level of a Romo or a Ryan or even Cutler for all his picks, is absurd.
Whats absurd is if the Browns called the Cowboys, Bears, 49ers, Bengals or Falcons and asked to trade starters straight up there wouldn't even be time for a "No" before the phone hung up. Hoyers talent isn't even in the same ballpark as those QBs. He's not on the same radar.
Vikings and Redskins and Eagles would at least give you the dignity of saying "No" before hanging up.
Bills would think about it and then realize that Orton has outplayed Hoyer this year and then say "No"
Texans and Titans would say "Maybe, we need a placeholder"
Thats why its absurd. To even suggest for one second that Hoyer is an upgrade or on the same level of a Romo or a Ryan or even Cutler for all his picks, is absurd.
Orton is 28th 6 behind Hoyer.
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Whats absurd is if the Browns called the Cowboys, Bears, 49ers, Bengals or Falcons and asked to trade starters straight up there wouldn't even be time for a "No" before the phone hung up. Hoyers talent isn't even in the same ballpark as those QBs. He's not on the same radar.
Vikings and Redskins and Eagles would at least give you the dignity of saying "No" before hanging up.
Bills would think about it and then realize that Orton has outplayed Hoyer this year and then say "No"
Texans and Titans would say "Maybe, we need a placeholder"
Thats why its absurd. To even suggest for one second that Hoyer is an upgrade or on the same level of a Romo or a Ryan or even Cutler for all his picks, is absurd.
Orton is 28th 6 behind Hoyer.
Orton is 28th 6 behind Hoyer.
Kyle Orton has a higher completion % (by almost 9 full points), higher YPG, Better TD to INT ratio and has a rating that is 7 points higher.
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How so? I think its an accurate list. I might make an argument against Dalton and Cutler being added, however both have manic highs and lows and are prone to turnovers.
Beyond that, what's so "absurd"
Whats absurd is if the Browns called the Cowboys, Bears, 49ers, Bengals or Falcons and asked to trade starters straight up there wouldn't even be time for a "No" before the phone hung up. Hoyers talent isn't even in the same ballpark as those QBs. He's not on the same radar.
Vikings and Redskins and Eagles would at least give you the dignity of saying "No" before hanging up.
Bills would think about it and then realize that Orton has outplayed Hoyer this year and then say "No"
Texans and Titans would say "Maybe, we need a placeholder"
Thats why its absurd. To even suggest for one second that Hoyer is an upgrade or on the same level of a Romo or a Ryan or even Cutler for all his picks, is absurd.
Whats absurd is if the Browns called the Cowboys, Bears, 49ers, Bengals or Falcons and asked to trade starters straight up there wouldn't even be time for a "No" before the phone hung up. Hoyers talent isn't even in the same ballpark as those QBs. He's not on the same radar.
Vikings and Redskins and Eagles would at least give you the dignity of saying "No" before hanging up.
Bills would think about it and then realize that Orton has outplayed Hoyer this year and then say "No"
Texans and Titans would say "Maybe, we need a placeholder"
Thats why its absurd. To even suggest for one second that Hoyer is an upgrade or on the same level of a Romo or a Ryan or even Cutler for all his picks, is absurd.
Many more words... and not a single iota of expansion upon your original reply. You really should stick with your Cliff's Notes replies. It would save you a great deal of what I am sure you consider to be your valuable time.
On the other hand you did completely twist my premise... so there's that. The premise was that I would not call them.
Jerrah's favorite piece of fool's gold has taken the 'Boys nowhere in his career and is now one good hit away from a wheel chair...
What has Ryan done since the Falcons added their "final piece" in 2011?
Cutler is Jeff George II... If you can't see that, then you probably are prone to drinking sand in a desert.
(Tour, you also forgot to add Weeden to that list.)
lol.. As was the case with the vast majority of his Browns' starts (and StockBoy's posts), I guess it was just "forgettable".
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Actually for most of those guys I think it would probably be a wash if the team was performing the way it was a while ago.Turn the question around, Steve...
Which 2014 starters would you not trade Hoyer for?
I would not trade Hoyer for the following QBs who have started in 2014:
Orton, Manuel, G. Smith, Vick, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Mallet, Locker, Whitehurst, Mettenberger, Schaub, Romo, (Foles), Sanchez, RG3, Cousins, McCoy, Cutler, Bridgewater, Cassell, Ryan, McCown, Glennon, Bradford, Austin, Hill, Kaepernick
Put Foles in parenthesis as I might go for him...
(that is putting most of the pressure on the running game and defense rather than winning or losing on the quarterback's shoulders)
My main reason for being a Hoyer fan is that he is one of us, a Northeast Ohio Cleveland Browns fan. And he beat the Steelers. I don't see a great amount of talent ability or football acumen that makes him stand out. Sorry.
If you with the general manager and had to release one or the other would it be Brian or Johnny?
WSS
My main reason for being a Hoyer fan is that he is one of us, a Northeast Ohio Cleveland Browns fan. And he beat the Steelers. I don't see a great amount of talent ability or football acumen that makes him stand out. Sorry.
If you with the general manager and had to release one or the other would it be Brian or Johnny?
No reason to be "sorry" for your opinion or your basis for being a Hoyer fan.
The sound you hear is StockBoy kicking himself for never asking the GM question you posed? It's a doozy and one that I simply cannot answer. I simply do not know if JM will ever have an NFL head. Were I the GM in reality, then I might have a feeling, but still would not "know".
Before StockBoy breaks his keyboard rushing to post that my incomplete information is exactly what he has been arguing ad nauseum to supply, let me add this. I am no more ready to risk this season to gain that information than I was two-weeks ago when SB last graced us with his posts.
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