Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer
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Yeah- was at the game and we saw the bad Brian. Bunch of terrible throws. I also saw a bunch of really good throws. Inconsistency will be his downfall. His pre snap reads are as good as anyone's in the league. OK, he's never going to be great- got it. Our run defense also went in the toilet again with Taylor out. If you didn't notice, Mallet wasn't touched once the entire game. Um, make that once, when he had to cover a shotgun snap that went ten feet over his head.
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I'm new here, but I think at some point you have to find out what you have in Manziel. That said, now is NOT that time. The Browns are in the playoff hunt, you DO NOT mess with that. Hoyer has to be the guy now, for many reasons, but mainly because the team is winning and could make the playoffs.
If you took Hoyer out, even at the end of yesterday's game, it sends a message to the team that you're not good enough with your best qb (at this time). That's a horrible message to send to a team that's gonna be fighting the next 6 games to get to the playoffs.
Maybe Manziel is the beast I think he will be, and nobody thinks more highly of him than me, but now is not the time.
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Brian Hoyers last 5 games
Completions Percentage of 51.7% (Worst in NFL in that span)
Touchdowns: 4
Interceptions: 4
QB Rating: 74.5
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I'm new here, but I think at some point you have to find out what you have in Manziel. That said, now is NOT that time. The Browns are in the playoff hunt, you DO NOT mess with that. Hoyer has to be the guy now, for many reasons, but mainly because the team is winning and could make the playoffs.
If you took Hoyer out, even at the end of yesterday's game, it sends a message to the team that you're not good enough with your best qb (at this time). That's a horrible message to send to a team that's gonna be fighting the next 6 games to get to the playoffs.
Maybe Manziel is the beast I think he will be, and nobody thinks more highly of him than me, but now is not the time.
I'm new here, but I think at some point you have to find out what you have in Manziel. That said, now is NOT that time. The Browns are in the playoff hunt, you DO NOT mess with that. Hoyer has to be the guy now, for many reasons, but mainly because the team is winning and could make the playoffs.
If you took Hoyer out, even at the end of yesterday's game, it sends a message to the team that you're not good enough with your best qb (at this time). That's a horrible message to send to a team that's gonna be fighting the next 6 games to get to the playoffs.
Maybe Manziel is the beast I think he will be, and nobody thinks more highly of him than me, but now is not the time.
I could not agree more. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't curious about what Manziel has to offer, but telling a 6-4 team that they're packing it in for the season would be criminal.
the people who are at practice every day still believe hoyer presents the best chance to win, it's as simple as that (unless you're one of those Ricky Bobby people who feel if you don't win the Super Bowl you might as well be 0-16).
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the Browns at 58 rushing yards total Sunday. you are a complete fucktard if you think that 30 incompletions is even more alarming stat then rushing yards. most of the time when you have to throw more than 40 times again you're going to lose look at Peyton Manning look at Drew Brees. the Browns had eight plays of 20 or more yards. I can remember a few seasons where the Browns had 20 plays of 20 yards or more through 10 games
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the Browns at 58 rushing yards total Sunday. you are a complete fucktard if you think that 30 incompletions is even more alarming stat then rushing yards. most of the time when you have to throw more than 40 times again you're going to lose look at Peyton Manning look at Drew Brees. the Browns had eight plays of 20 or more yards. I can remember a few seasons where the Browns had 20 plays of 20 yards or more through 10 games
the Browns at 58 rushing yards total Sunday. you are a complete fucktard if you think that 30 incompletions is even more alarming stat then rushing yards. most of the time when you have to throw more than 40 times again you're going to lose look at Peyton Manning look at Drew Brees. the Browns had eight plays of 20 or more yards. I can remember a few seasons where the Browns had 20 plays of 20 yards or more through 10 games
Once again, Brian Hoyer is the reason why we can't run the ball. Teams have zero fear of Hoyers arm, and simply play man on the outside and creep everyone else to the line. This is well known at this point.
In fact only once since Jacksonville has a team not had enough time, and too many defensive injuries, to where they could not install this gameplan against the Browns. They had to play a base defense, and even commented about it after the game. That was Cincinnati. Look what magically happened.
Teams are loading it up to stop the run. Hoyer gives them nothing to worry about. In the last 5 games Hoyer is completing only 51% of his passes. When thats his rate, you don't have to worry about a team passing on you. Just stop the run.
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@everlastingxxx said:
30 incompletions. Holy shit. Let that sink in.
And 31st in the league at stopping the run.
Let THAT sink in.
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@everlastingxxx said:
30 incompletions. Holy shit. Let that sink in.
And 31st in the league at stopping the run.
Let THAT sink in.
And 31st in the league at stopping the run.
Let THAT sink in.
That's Brian's fault I'm sure, and somehow Johnny would immediately improve it.
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Its about that time guys..
Start the chant...
"Johnny! Johnny! Johnny!..."
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the Browns at 58 rushing yards total Sunday. you are a complete fucktard if you think that 30 incompletions is even more alarming stat then rushing yards. most of the time when you have to throw more than 40 times again you're going to lose look at Peyton Manning look at Drew Brees. the Browns had eight plays of 20 or more yards. I can remember a few seasons where the Browns had 20 plays of 20 yards or more through 10 games
Once again, Brian Hoyer is the reason why we can't run the ball. Teams have zero fear of Hoyers arm, and simply play man on the outside and creep everyone else to the line. This is well known at this point.
In fact only once since Jacksonville has a team not had enough time, and too many defensive injuries, to where they could not install this gameplan against the Browns. They had to play a base defense, and even commented about it after the game. That was Cincinnati. Look what magically happened.
Teams are loading it up to stop the run. Hoyer gives them nothing to worry about. In the last 5 games Hoyer is completing only 51% of his passes. When thats his rate, you don't have to worry about a team passing on you. Just stop the run.
Once again, Brian Hoyer is the reason why we can't run the ball. Teams have zero fear of Hoyers arm, and simply play man on the outside and creep everyone else to the line. This is well known at this point.
In fact only once since Jacksonville has a team not had enough time, and too many defensive injuries, to where they could not install this gameplan against the Browns. They had to play a base defense, and even commented about it after the game. That was Cincinnati. Look what magically happened.
Teams are loading it up to stop the run. Hoyer gives them nothing to worry about. In the last 5 games Hoyer is completing only 51% of his passes. When thats his rate, you don't have to worry about a team passing on you. Just stop the run.
What a crock of shit.
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the Browns at 58 rushing yards total Sunday. you are a complete fucktard if you think that 30 incompletions is even more alarming stat then rushing yards. most of the time when you have to throw more than 40 times again you're going to lose look at Peyton Manning look at Drew Brees. the Browns had eight plays of 20 or more yards. I can remember a few seasons where the Browns had 20 plays of 20 yards or more through 10 games
Once again, Brian Hoyer is the reason why we can't run the ball. Teams have zero fear of Hoyers arm, and simply play man on the outside and creep everyone else to the line. This is well known at this point.
In fact only once since Jacksonville has a team not had enough time, and too many defensive injuries, to where they could not install this gameplan against the Browns. They had to play a base defense, and even commented about it after the game. That was Cincinnati. Look what magically happened.
Teams are loading it up to stop the run. Hoyer gives them nothing to worry about. In the last 5 games Hoyer is completing only 51% of his passes. When thats his rate, you don't have to worry about a team passing on you. Just stop the run.
Once again, Brian Hoyer is the reason why we can't run the ball. Teams have zero fear of Hoyers arm, and simply play man on the outside and creep everyone else to the line. This is well known at this point.
In fact only once since Jacksonville has a team not had enough time, and too many defensive injuries, to where they could not install this gameplan against the Browns. They had to play a base defense, and even commented about it after the game. That was Cincinnati. Look what magically happened.
Teams are loading it up to stop the run. Hoyer gives them nothing to worry about. In the last 5 games Hoyer is completing only 51% of his passes. When thats his rate, you don't have to worry about a team passing on you. Just stop the run.
Brian hoyer is not the reason we couldn't run the ball.
You keep saying this, and keep saying teams are "loading the box" but there's no other way to put it, you're wrong.
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Its the truth..
The sooner all of us BROWNS fans accept Johnny as your savior.. the easier an more fullfilling our superbowl run will be.
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Brian Hoyers last 5 games
Completions Percentage of 51.7% (Worst in NFL in that span)
Touchdowns: 4
Interceptions: 4
QB Rating: 74.5
Brian Hoyers last 5 games
Completions Percentage of 51.7% (Worst in NFL in that span)
Touchdowns: 4
Interceptions: 4
QB Rating: 74.5
But he is 3-2 in those games. I would rather have the wins than the stats.
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@everlastingxxx said:
30 incompletions. Holy shit. Let that sink in.
And 31st in the league at stopping the run.
Let THAT sink in.
And 31st in the league at stopping the run.
Let THAT sink in.
The Browns could've played like #1 in the league against the run on Sunday and it wouldn't have changed the fact the offense could only muster 7 points (off of a drive extended because of a roughing the kicker).
Thats the biggest thing everyones missing while you're bitching about this or that....Texans only scored 23 points. As bad as the D was, 23 points is still manageable. Offense only needed 3 TDs and FG to win the game, with the D playing exactly the same.
The defense would've had to pitch a shutout to win the game with how the offense played.
Quit trying to ignore the 30 incompletions. Its a franchise record. Those don't grow on trees. Only 4 times in the last 26 years has a QB thrown the ball 50 times and completed 40% or less. Brian Hoyer is now part of that club.
To not start with THAT when discussing this game, is insane and its total fanboy bias.
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Hey.. at least he isnt a PICK MACHINE.. like this boards favorite folktime hero.. DEREK ANDERCEPTION.
Brian Hoyer at least has a knack for keeping it away from the other team which is commendable.
However.. unfortunately.. as great as a story as it may be that the hometown hero comes thorugh and wins it all... It just isnt realistic with Brians limited skillset. He is a great backup.. excellent actually. He just isnt a franchgise QB.
Johnny on the other hand.. Is a bonafide playmaker.. and he can FORCE points on the board if he has to.. there will be no 7 pt games with Johnny
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@everlastingxxx said:
Can you imagine the response if Manziel had thrown 30 incompletions?
If he gets the "W" who cares?
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Brian Hoyers last 5 games
Completions Percentage of 51.7% (Worst in NFL in that span)
Touchdowns: 4
Interceptions: 4
QB Rating: 74.5
But he is 3-2 in those games. I would rather have the wins than the stats.
But he is 3-2 in those games. I would rather have the wins than the stats.
So you believe that if the Browns quarterback would have been in the upper
15% of those statistics we'd have won less game? Or what?
WSS
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I don't think anybody is wrong to criticize hoyers performance, but there's certainly other aspects to discuss too.
Stocktons standpoint is just funny because he'd rather see the browns lose with manziel than win with hoyer, and cites fictitious box counts in order to claim Hoyer breaks the run game.
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Once again here we go with the "Well its a win"
So if Hoyer gets credit for a win, regardless of a his play, then why is every loss "A Team Loss"?
You can't have it both ways.You want to talk wins and losses only when it comes to Hoyers stats. But after a loss you want to make sure everyone knows that 1 man doesn't make the team and its certainly not Hoyers fault. Then by proxy why are the wins his "fault"?
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