Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer
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Once again here we go with the "Well its a win"
So if Hoyer gets credit for a win, regardless of a his play, then why is every loss "A Team Loss"?
You can't have it both ways.You want to talk wins and losses only when it comes to Hoyers stats. But after a loss you want to make sure everyone knows that 1 man doesn't make the team and its certainly not Hoyers fault. Then by proxy why are the wins his "fault"?
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I don't think anybody is wrong to criticize hoyers performance, but there's certainly other aspects to discuss too.
Stocktons standpoint is just funny because he'd rather see the browns lose with manziel than win with hoyer, and cites fictitious box counts in order to claim Hoyer breaks the run game.
I don't think anybody is wrong to criticize hoyers performance, but there's certainly other aspects to discuss too.
Stocktons standpoint is just funny because he'd rather see the browns lose with manziel than win with hoyer, and cites fictitious box counts in order to claim Hoyer breaks the run game.
Once again, not just myself that see it. How about McManamon, Grossi and Banner?
http://espn.go.com/b...-browns-preview
"The Browns haven’t been able to run the ball effectively the past few games. What’s gone wrong?
McManamon: The easy answer is to say the Browns lost their Pro Bowl center. Without Alex Mack the Browns aren’t even averaging 2 yards a carry the past two games. Clearly that’s a factor. But the bigger factor is that Jacksonville and Oakland dared the Browns to throw by loading the box with a safety to protect against the run. It’s no secret that Kyle Shanahan’s offense is built around the ability to run and play-action, so teams are trying to take the run away and negate play-action."
Loss of Mack is huge, teams are now selling out to stop run, see if Browns can beat them with pass. Hoyer better then getting credit so far
"@zimbardi10 i feel everyone yells about the run game. But i think its just teams loading the box to make hoyer beat them.// Bada bing-o.
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And 31st in the league at stopping the run.
Let THAT sink in.
The Browns could've played like #1 in the league against the run on Sunday and it wouldn't have changed the fact the offense could only muster 7 points (off of a drive extended because of a roughing the kicker).
Thats the biggest thing everyones missing while you're bitching about this or that....Texans only scored 23 points. As bad as the D was, 23 points is still manageable. Offense only needed 3 TDs and FG to win the game, with the D playing exactly the same.
The defense would've had to pitch a shutout to win the game with how the offense played.
Quit trying to ignore the 30 incompletions. Its a franchise record. Those don't grow on trees. Only 4 times in the last 26 years has a QB thrown the ball 50 times and completed 40% or less. Brian Hoyer is now part of that club.
To not start with THAT when discussing this game, is insane and its total fanboy bias.
The Browns could've played like #1 in the league against the run on Sunday and it wouldn't have changed the fact the offense could only muster 7 points (off of a drive extended because of a roughing the kicker).
Thats the biggest thing everyones missing while you're bitching about this or that....Texans only scored 23 points. As bad as the D was, 23 points is still manageable. Offense only needed 3 TDs and FG to win the game, with the D playing exactly the same.
The defense would've had to pitch a shutout to win the game with how the offense played.
Quit trying to ignore the 30 incompletions. Its a franchise record. Those don't grow on trees. Only 4 times in the last 26 years has a QB thrown the ball 50 times and completed 40% or less. Brian Hoyer is now part of that club.
To not start with THAT when discussing this game, is insane and its total fanboy bias.
I'm not putting the loss on one individual.
Let's recap some of the low points:
A missed field goal.
A botched snap that went over the punter's head.
A dropped pick 6.
A kickoff for a TD that was called back.
A fumble in the red zone.
A backup RB have career day.
A backup QB have a career day.
JJ Watt owning Shwartz.
Several bad throws combined several good throws that were dropped.
There's plenty of shit to go around without hanging it on one guy.
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The Browns could've played like #1 in the league against the run on Sunday and it wouldn't have changed the fact the offense could only muster 7 points (off of a drive extended because of a roughing the kicker).
Thats the biggest thing everyones missing while you're bitching about this or that....Texans only scored 23 points. As bad as the D was, 23 points is still manageable. Offense only needed 3 TDs and FG to win the game, with the D playing exactly the same.
The defense would've had to pitch a shutout to win the game with how the offense played.
Quit trying to ignore the 30 incompletions. Its a franchise record. Those don't grow on trees. Only 4 times in the last 26 years has a QB thrown the ball 50 times and completed 40% or less. Brian Hoyer is now part of that club.
To not start with THAT when discussing this game, is insane and its total fanboy bias.
I'm not putting the loss on one individual.
Let's recap some of the low points:
A missed field goal.
A botched snap that went over the punter's head.
A dropped pick 6.
A kickoff for a TD that was called back.
A fumble in the red zone.
A backup RB have career day.
A backup QB have a career day.
JJ Watt owning Shwartz.
Several bad throws combined several good throws that were dropped.
There's plenty of shit to go around without hanging it on one guy.
I'm not putting the loss on one individual.
Let's recap some of the low points:
A missed field goal.
A botched snap that went over the punter's head.
A dropped pick 6.
A kickoff for a TD that was called back.
A fumble in the red zone.
A backup RB have career day.
A backup QB have a career day.
JJ Watt owning Shwartz.
Several bad throws combined several good throws that were dropped.
There's plenty of shit to go around without hanging it on one guy.
Fine, the loss wasn't all Hoyer.
Now quit giving wins to Hoyer too and treat his performance as it stands regardless of the game outcome.
From that in his last 5 games he is throwing 51% with 4TD and 4INTs and a 74 Rating.
Against the Jags, Raiders,Bucs, Bengals, Texans.
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I'm new here, but I think at some point you have to find out what you have in Manziel. That said, now is NOT that time. The Browns are in the playoff hunt, you DO NOT mess with that. Hoyer has to be the guy now, for many reasons, but mainly because the team is winning and could make the playoffs.
If you took Hoyer out, even at the end of yesterday's game, it sends a message to the team that you're not good enough with your best qb (at this time). That's a horrible message to send to a team that's gonna be fighting the next 6 games to get to the playoffs.
Maybe Manziel is the beast I think he will be, and nobody thinks more highly of him than me, but now is not the time.
I'm new here, but I think at some point you have to find out what you have in Manziel. That said, now is NOT that time. The Browns are in the playoff hunt, you DO NOT mess with that. Hoyer has to be the guy now, for many reasons, but mainly because the team is winning and could make the playoffs.
If you took Hoyer out, even at the end of yesterday's game, it sends a message to the team that you're not good enough with your best qb (at this time). That's a horrible message to send to a team that's gonna be fighting the next 6 games to get to the playoffs.
Maybe Manziel is the beast I think he will be, and nobody thinks more highly of him than me, but now is not the time.
Not sure if I just gave you your first +1, but it won't be your last...
Once again, Brian Hoyer is the reason why we can't run the ball. Teams have zero fear of Hoyers arm, and simply play man on the outside and creep everyone else to the line. This is well known at this point.
What a crock of shit.
Brian hoyer is not the reason we couldn't run the ball.
You keep saying this, and keep saying teams are "loading the box" but there's no other way to put it, you're wrong.
Last Thursday Cinci posted 8+ in the box more than any other team we have faced.
And StockBoy was nowhere to be seen...
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@everlastingxxx said:
Can you imagine the response if Manziel had thrown 30 incompletions?
For him to get the chance to do so, Johnny would have to earn the starting spot. I know you, in your infinite Dallas Cowboys wisdom, know better than the coaching staff who only sees the team at every practice and at every meeting and in the film room every week.
You can suck jizz out of skip bayless until you get a tummy ache but if Hoyer is so terrible, and JCF can't win the starting spot, what does that say about Johnny?
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I would love to have Manning, rogers, Brees, or Brady as our qb. But we don't. We have an average game manager with a shoddy o line, Jekyll/Hyde defense, and a bunch of overachieving no name wrs.
Please enlighten us on how we can get these so called franchise qbs. Because only 5 people in the world currently seem to be a franchise qb.
We have an average qb, an unproven rookie who doesn't appear to be better than our average qb, and practice squad fodder.
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I would love to have Manning, rogers, Brees, or Brady as our qb. But we don't. We have an average game manager with a shoddy o line, Jekyll/Hyde defense, and a bunch of overachieving no name wrs.
Please enlighten us on how we can get these so called franchise qbs. Because only 5 people in the world currently seem to be a franchise qb.
We have an average qb, an unproven rookie who doesn't appear to be better than our average qb, and practice squad fodder.
I would love to have Manning, rogers, Brees, or Brady as our qb. But we don't. We have an average game manager with a shoddy o line, Jekyll/Hyde defense, and a bunch of overachieving no name wrs.
Please enlighten us on how we can get these so called franchise qbs. Because only 5 people in the world currently seem to be a franchise qb.
We have an average qb, an unproven rookie who doesn't appear to be better than our average qb, and practice squad fodder.
You draft them.
Theres a lot more than 5 Franchise QBs.
Hoyer isn't one of them. The minute you realize that you have to move on. You're wasting time playing him.
We have two unproven Rookies at QB. At one time everyone of those Franchise QBs were unproven rookies. You know how they became Franchise QBs? They played.
That is how you find them USFBrown. You play them, and you see. We've played Hoyer and we see a guy who isn't a Franchise QB.
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I would love to have Manning, rogers, Brees, or Brady as our qb. But we don't. We have an average game manager with a shoddy o line, Jekyll/Hyde defense, and a bunch of overachieving no name wrs.
Please enlighten us on how we can get these so called franchise qbs. Because only 5 people in the world currently seem to be a franchise qb.
We have an average qb, an unproven rookie who doesn't appear to be better than our average qb, and practice squad fodder.
You draft them.
Theres a lot more than 5 Franchise QBs.
Hoyer isn't one of them. The minute you realize that you have to move on. You're wasting time playing him.
We have two unproven Rookies at QB. At one time everyone of those Franchise QBs were unproven rookies. You know how they became Franchise QBs? They played.
That is how you find them USFBrown. You play them, and you see. We've played Hoyer and we see a guy who isn't a Franchise QB.
You play a rookie who can't beat our a journeyman when you're in the midst of the playoffs?You draft them.
Theres a lot more than 5 Franchise QBs.
Hoyer isn't one of them. The minute you realize that you have to move on. You're wasting time playing him.
We have two unproven Rookies at QB. At one time everyone of those Franchise QBs were unproven rookies. You know how they became Franchise QBs? They played.
That is how you find them USFBrown. You play them, and you see. We've played Hoyer and we see a guy who isn't a Franchise QB.
That's not gonna fly. The kid still has time to show his stuff.
I'll tale the chance of playoffs vs the risk of losing completely.
And its easy to say you draft and play them. The browns have been doing that for 15 years. They haven't found one yet. Neither have a lot of other teams found a franchise qb.
Football is the ultimate team game. You need a good team to win. Qb is one of the most important parts. But you can win with a good d and a qb who protects the ball. Like hoyer does.
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You play a rookie who can't beat our a journeyman when you're in the midst of the playoffs?You draft them.
Theres a lot more than 5 Franchise QBs.
Hoyer isn't one of them. The minute you realize that you have to move on. You're wasting time playing him.
We have two unproven Rookies at QB. At one time everyone of those Franchise QBs were unproven rookies. You know how they became Franchise QBs? They played.
That is how you find them USFBrown. You play them, and you see. We've played Hoyer and we see a guy who isn't a Franchise QB.
That's not gonna fly. The kid still has time to show his stuff.
I'll tale the chance of playoffs vs the risk of losing completely.
And its easy to say you draft and play them. The browns have been doing that for 15 years. They haven't found one yet. Neither have a lot of other teams found a franchise qb.
Football is the ultimate team game. You need a good team to win. Qb is one of the most important parts. But you can win with a good d and a qb who protects the ball. Like hoyer does.
You play a rookie who can't beat our a journeyman when you're in the midst of the playoffs?
That's not gonna fly. The kid still has time to show his stuff.
I'll tale the chance of playoffs vs the risk of losing completely.
And its easy to say you draft and play them. The browns have been doing that for 15 years. They haven't found one yet. Neither have a lot of other teams found a franchise qb.
Football is the ultimate team game. You need a good team to win. Qb is one of the most important parts. But you can win with a good d and a qb who protects the ball. Like hoyer does.
Once again all the Browns have done is taken other teams trash and tried to make them gold.
Playing Hoyer IS repeating what the Browns have done over and over.
Browns have taken 3 QBs in the first round before Manziel. Couch/Quinn/Weeden. Thats it. 3 times in 14 years.
Meanwhile Holcombe, Detmer, Dilfer, Peterson, Garcia, Gradkowksi, Campbell, Anderson, and Delhomme were all cast offs that other teams didn't want that we brought in because we thought we could win "right now"
Browns have failed to establish a plan and stick to it because they let some other teams garbage come in and disrupt the plans in an effort to sneak into the playoffs right now, and when that fails it turns into everyone being fired and having to restart.
Sound familiar?
Don't let starvation lead you to believe that a can of tuna is Thanksgiving Dinner and thats exactly what you Browns fans are doing.
Its like that experiment with kids where you stick a bowl of M&Ms in front of them and say "You can either have 1 M&M now but none after that OR if you don't eat any for 4 hours you can have all the M&Ms you want" and each time the kids eat the 1 M&M right away because kids are dumb and don't understand the concept of sacrifice for a greater goal.
Thats what the Browns have been since 1999. Brian Hoyer is once again the Browns wanting the 1 M&M now and saying "Fuck it" to the future.
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Who DO you like on the Browns Stockton? All we ever get is the Hoyer bashing. Sure man, you might be right, but it's pretty one dimensional.
Any receivers float your boat? Running backs? Defensive dudes?
How about our mascot Swagger? Cute little fella, right? Totally inspires fear in the opponent.
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You play a rookie who can't beat our a journeyman when you're in the midst of the playoffs?
That's not gonna fly. The kid still has time to show his stuff.
I'll tale the chance of playoffs vs the risk of losing completely.
And its easy to say you draft and play them. The browns have been doing that for 15 years. They haven't found one yet. Neither have a lot of other teams found a franchise qb.
Football is the ultimate team game. You need a good team to win. Qb is one of the most important parts. But you can win with a good d and a qb who protects the ball. Like hoyer does.
Once again all the Browns have done is taken other teams trash and tried to make them gold.
Playing Hoyer IS repeating what the Browns have done over and over.
Browns have taken 3 QBs in the first round before Manziel. Couch/Quinn/Weeden. Thats it. 3 times in 14 years.
Meanwhile Holcombe, Detmer, Dilfer, Peterson, Garcia, Gradkowksi, Campbell, Anderson, and Delhomme were all cast offs that other teams didn't want that we brought in because we thought we could win "right now"
Browns have failed to establish a plan and stick to it because they let some other teams garbage come in and disrupt the plans in an effort to sneak into the playoffs right now, and when that fails it turns into everyone being fired and having to restart.
Sound familiar?
Don't let starvation lead you to believe that a can of tuna is Thanksgiving Dinner and thats exactly what you Browns fans are doing.
Its like that experiment with kids where you stick a bowl of M&Ms in front of them and say "You can either have 1 M&M now but none after that OR if you don't eat any for 4 hours you can have all the M&Ms you want" and each time the kids eat the 1 M&M right away because kids are dumb and don't understand the concept of sacrifice for a greater goal.
Thats what the Browns have been since 1999. Brian Hoyer is once again the Browns wanting the 1 M&M now and saying "Fuck it" to the future.
Once again all the Browns have done is taken other teams trash and tried to make them gold.
Playing Hoyer IS repeating what the Browns have done over and over.
Winning?
Browns have taken 3 QBs in the first round before Manziel. Couch/Quinn/Weeden. Thats it. 3 times in 14 years.
Proves that 1st-round QBs don't always pan out.
Meanwhile Holcombe, Detmer, Dilfer, Peterson, Garcia, Gradkowksi, Campbell, Anderson, and Delhomme were all cast offs that other teams didn't want that we brought in because we thought we could win "right now"
Most of these guys we didn't bring in to "win now", maybe some of them. It just so happened some of these guys became starters
Browns have failed to establish a plan and stick to it because they let some other teams garbage come in and disrupt the plans in an effort to sneak into the playoffs right now, and when that fails it turns into everyone being fired and having to restart.
Hoyer hasn't disrupted any effort for the future. If anything, he's been a benefit to our potential future QB in Manziel - if that's the route it ends up going.
Sound familiar?
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Don't let starvation lead you to believe that a can of tuna is Thanksgiving Dinner and thats exactly what you Browns fans are doing.
Its like that experiment with kids where you stick a bowl of M&Ms in front of them and say "You can either have 1 M&M now but none after that OR if you don't eat any for 4 hours you can have all the M&Ms you want" and each time the kids eat the 1 M&M right away because kids are dumb and don't understand the concept of sacrifice for a greater goal.
Thats what the Browns have been since 1999. Brian Hoyer is once again the Browns wanting the 1 M&M now and saying "Fuck it" to the future.
Winning and making the playoffs is part of the process. You act like the fact we're in playoff contention is the worst thing in the world because we won't get the #1 overall pick.
Our young roster, assets, and cap flexibility would indicate that the browns aren't saying "Fuck it" to the future. Tanking the season because we might get knocked out of the first round of the playoffs is absolutely absurd.
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You play a rookie who can't beat our a journeyman when you're in the midst of the playoffs?
That's not gonna fly. The kid still has time to show his stuff.
I'll tale the chance of playoffs vs the risk of losing completely.
And its easy to say you draft and play them. The browns have been doing that for 15 years. They haven't found one yet. Neither have a lot of other teams found a franchise qb.
Football is the ultimate team game. You need a good team to win. Qb is one of the most important parts. But you can win with a good d and a qb who protects the ball. Like hoyer does.
Once again all the Browns have done is taken other teams trash and tried to make them gold.
Playing Hoyer IS repeating what the Browns have done over and over.
Browns have taken 3 QBs in the first round before Manziel. Couch/Quinn/Weeden. Thats it. 3 times in 14 years.
Meanwhile Holcombe, Detmer, Dilfer, Peterson, Garcia, Gradkowksi, Campbell, Anderson, and Delhomme were all cast offs that other teams didn't want that we brought in because we thought we could win "right now"
Browns have failed to establish a plan and stick to it because they let some other teams garbage come in and disrupt the plans in an effort to sneak into the playoffs right now, and when that fails it turns into everyone being fired and having to restart.
Sound familiar?
Don't let starvation lead you to believe that a can of tuna is Thanksgiving Dinner and thats exactly what you Browns fans are doing.
Its like that experiment with kids where you stick a bowl of M&Ms in front of them and say "You can either have 1 M&M now but none after that OR if you don't eat any for 4 hours you can have all the M&Ms you want" and each time the kids eat the 1 M&M right away because kids are dumb and don't understand the concept of sacrifice for a greater goal.
Thats what the Browns have been since 1999. Brian Hoyer is once again the Browns wanting the 1 M&M now and saying "Fuck it" to the future.
Once again all the Browns have done is taken other teams trash and tried to make them gold.
Playing Hoyer IS repeating what the Browns have done over and over.
Browns have taken 3 QBs in the first round before Manziel. Couch/Quinn/Weeden. Thats it. 3 times in 14 years.
Meanwhile Holcombe, Detmer, Dilfer, Peterson, Garcia, Gradkowksi, Campbell, Anderson, and Delhomme were all cast offs that other teams didn't want that we brought in because we thought we could win "right now"
Browns have failed to establish a plan and stick to it because they let some other teams garbage come in and disrupt the plans in an effort to sneak into the playoffs right now, and when that fails it turns into everyone being fired and having to restart.
Sound familiar?
Don't let starvation lead you to believe that a can of tuna is Thanksgiving Dinner and thats exactly what you Browns fans are doing.
Its like that experiment with kids where you stick a bowl of M&Ms in front of them and say "You can either have 1 M&M now but none after that OR if you don't eat any for 4 hours you can have all the M&Ms you want" and each time the kids eat the 1 M&M right away because kids are dumb and don't understand the concept of sacrifice for a greater goal.
Thats what the Browns have been since 1999. Brian Hoyer is once again the Browns wanting the 1 M&M now and saying "Fuck it" to the future.
Based on your ongoing convoluted logic we should then have been fantastic on the three times we drafted but they sucked. You have no idea if Manziel will be good or not. There is absolutely no reason to rush him.
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Once again Hoyer is not the future.
Should be obvious to everyone by now.
You don't build a house and wait until its time to furnish it and go "Time to switch out the foundation"
You build around your QB. Find the QB then build with that QB.
Thats how you have a chance at the playoffs for 10 straight years and not just 1 year in which you have the easiest schedule in the NFL (and despite that if the playoffs were next week we wouldn't make it) -
Once again all the Browns have done is taken other teams trash and tried to make them gold.
Playing Hoyer IS repeating what the Browns have done over and over.
Browns have taken 3 QBs in the first round before Manziel. Couch/Quinn/Weeden. Thats it. 3 times in 14 years.
Meanwhile Holcombe, Detmer, Dilfer, Peterson, Garcia, Gradkowksi, Campbell, Anderson, and Delhomme were all cast offs that other teams didn't want that we brought in because we thought we could win "right now"
Browns have failed to establish a plan and stick to it because they let some other teams garbage come in and disrupt the plans in an effort to sneak into the playoffs right now, and when that fails it turns into everyone being fired and having to restart.
Sound familiar?
Don't let starvation lead you to believe that a can of tuna is Thanksgiving Dinner and thats exactly what you Browns fans are doing.
Its like that experiment with kids where you stick a bowl of M&Ms in front of them and say "You can either have 1 M&M now but none after that OR if you don't eat any for 4 hours you can have all the M&Ms you want" and each time the kids eat the 1 M&M right away because kids are dumb and don't understand the concept of sacrifice for a greater goal.
Thats what the Browns have been since 1999. Brian Hoyer is once again the Browns wanting the 1 M&M now and saying "Fuck it" to the future.
Based on your ongoing convoluted logic we should then have been fantastic on the three times we drafted but they sucked. You have no idea if Manziel will be good or not. There is absolutely no reason to rush him.
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"Theres No Reason To Rush Him"
Dont you think he should get in game OTJ training? If he is our starter next year.. wouldnt it be good if he got 5-6 games under his belt so he has seen live bullets? That makes sense to me. You wouldnt want him to start off next season unprepared. It would be unfair to judge him then. Now the he would be in his second year.. people will expect more.. but its unfair to expect more if he's never played. Thats why you give him games THIS year.. so NEXT year you can get a better judgement of his play
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"Theres No Reason To Rush Him"
Dont you think he should get in game OTJ training? If he is our starter next year.. wouldnt it be good if he got 5-6 games under his belt so he has seen live bullets? That makes sense to me. You wouldnt want him to start off next season unprepared. It would be unfair to judge him then. Now the he would be in his second year.. people will expect more.. but its unfair to expect more if he's never played. Thats why you give him games THIS year.. so NEXT year you can get a better judgement of his play
"Theres No Reason To Rush Him"
Dont you think he should get in game OTJ training? If he is our starter next year.. wouldnt it be good if he got 5-6 games under his belt so he has seen live bullets? That makes sense to me. You wouldnt want him to start off next season unprepared. It would be unfair to judge him then. Now the he would be in his second year.. people will expect more.. but its unfair to expect more if he's never played. Thats why you give him games THIS year.. so NEXT year you can get a better judgement of his play
If we weren't right smack in the middle of the division crown / playoff picture, then it would be simple. No one here disagrees with this, however there is a time and a place, and at 6-4 it's neither............. I just don't see why this is so hard for some to understand?
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Once again Hoyer is not the future.
Should be obvious to everyone by now.
You don't build a house and wait until its time to furnish it and go "Time to switch out the foundation"
You build around your QB. Find the QB then build with that QB.
Thats how you have a chance at the playoffs for 10 straight years and not just 1 year in which you have the easiest schedule in the NFL (and despite that if the playoffs were next week we wouldn't make it)Once again Hoyer is not the future.
Should be obvious to everyone by now.
You don't build a house and wait until its time to furnish it and go "Time to switch out the foundation"
You build around your QB. Find the QB then build with that QB.
Thats how you have a chance at the playoffs for 10 straight years and not just 1 year in which you have the easiest schedule in the NFL (and despite that if the playoffs were next week we wouldn't make it)
Counter points... Russell Wilson, Aaron rogers, big gay Ben, tom Brady. All had great foundations, mainly a good/great d before they came in.
Its just not as easy as you're trying to make it or all NFL teams would have franchise qbs. I get your opinion but its easier said than done.
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"Theres No Reason To Rush Him"
Dont you think he should get in game OTJ training? If he is our starter next year.. wouldnt it be good if he got 5-6 games under his belt so he has seen live bullets? That makes sense to me. You wouldnt want him to start off next season unprepared. It would be unfair to judge him then. Now the he would be in his second year.. people will expect more.. but its unfair to expect more if he's never played. Thats why you give him games THIS year.. so NEXT year you can get a better judgement of his play
If we weren't right smack in the middle of the division crown / playoff picture, then it would be simple. No one here disagrees with this, however there is a time and a place, and at 6-4 it's neither............. I just don't see why this is so hard for some to understand?
If we weren't right smack in the middle of the division crown / playoff picture, then it would be simple. No one here disagrees with this, however there is a time and a place, and at 6-4 it's neither............. I just don't see why this is so hard for some to understand?
Once again, you are choosing the M&M now instead of all you want later.
This team is not Super Bowl quality. Brian Hoyer isn't the future.
Those two things are known, everything else is just a waste of time. What are you doing then? Honestly tell me. What are you going to prove if the Browns make the 6 seed and then start a 2nd year QB that has never seen the field before next year, against a 1st or 2nd in the division schedule no less. Is that how you build long term? Or even worse you resign Hoyer. Then its medocre from here until the eyes can see.
Browns have played the easiest schedule in the NFL and if the playoffs started next week the Browns would finish 10th in the conference. What more do you need to find out about this year?
I've said it since day 1, this is all a waste of time. "Oh Stockton being in the playoff hunt is a waste of time huh?" yes. Yes it is. It only goes to show how small time you people are. You care more about this team, which isn't that good, having a chance at the playoffs NOW then setting this franchise up for the future.
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"Theres No Reason To Rush Him"
Dont you think he should get in game OTJ training? If he is our starter next year.. wouldnt it be good if he got 5-6 games under his belt so he has seen live bullets? That makes sense to me. You wouldnt want him to start off next season unprepared. It would be unfair to judge him then. Now the he would be in his second year.. people will expect more.. but its unfair to expect more if he's never played. Thats why you give him games THIS year.. so NEXT year you can get a better judgement of his play
If we weren't right smack in the middle of the division crown / playoff picture, then it would be simple. No one here disagrees with this, however there is a time and a place, and at 6-4 it's neither............. I just don't see why this is so hard for some to understand?
If we weren't right smack in the middle of the division crown / playoff picture, then it would be simple. No one here disagrees with this, however there is a time and a place, and at 6-4 it's neither............. I just don't see why this is so hard for some to understand?
Exactly. Maziel is on contract for years. We are in the hunt for playoffs. NFL is a win now league. The browns are winning now more than ever. Hoyer is behind the o line, run d, and wrs of things that need fixing.
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