Film Study on Hoyer
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lol.. Nickers.. Im one of the orignals here you know that. I just come back and visit every now and then to spread some love.
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I don't think he's a bad guy at all, I was just agreeing with him. The hands is a terrible place to hit a receiver, especially one who is 5'10"
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lol.. Nickers.. Im one of the orignals here you know that. I just come back and visit every now and then to spread some love.
lol.. Nickers.. Im one of the orignals here you know that. I just come back and visit every now and then to spread some love.
Somehow, I always get you and Poetic, as one and the same LOL. all good bro...We all want the same thing.. I'm still hungover from Saturday night and My dyslexic eyesight kill's Me. been in severe sciatica (pain) since last Tuesday and the asshole dr's want Me to wait till the 9th just to get seen.. I'm about to rip them a new asshole if they don't see Me sooner.. I can barely walk at times.. carry on...
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Ha, dig the new name. That's what you get for being so nice.
But digging the breakdown so far. The whole passes up the middle thing is troubling. But now that you mention it l recall a few passes up the middle that were behind the receiver. Like Hoyer isn't properly accounting for their speed. Mostly on crossing routes.
Ha, dig the new name. That's what you get for being so nice.
But digging the breakdown so far. The whole passes up the middle thing is troubling. But now that you mention it l recall a few passes up the middle that were behind the receiver. Like Hoyer isn't properly accounting for their speed. Mostly on crossing routes.
Yeah, same game against Jags he way behind receiver on seam route up middle.
I've seen a lot of routes thrown behind receivers too.
Eh, I've been called worse
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Purple... please, note his stride, if you would.
What I have noticed is that if Hoyer can stride towards his target with left foot at worst at 11 o'clock in relation to his right his accuracy is high and his throws have authority. However, if he flies open, steps left of 11 o'clock accuracy falls dramatically and power dissipates as well.
Purple... please, note his stride, if you would.
What I have noticed is that if Hoyer can stride towards his target with left foot at worst at 11 o'clock in relation to his right his accuracy is high and his throws have authority. However, if he flies open, steps left of 11 o'clock accuracy falls dramatically and power dissipates as well.
Noticing this, as well as lots of leaning back as he throws accounting for a lot of his under throws
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I didn't do any kind of a breakdown, I am just going by what I saw, and what I saw was a 20 for 50 performance.
Of the 30 incomplete passes I suspect that at least 5 (or more) were out and out dropped balls by the receiver (Austin had two in a row at one point), another 5 were good throws that were just well defended by the opponent, and about 15 were just inaccurate throws....with maybe a few miscommunications thrown in.
Does this sound about right?
Though, check this out: it seems to show that the Browns are one of the best in the NFL at not dropping the ball, but they did Sunday:
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Purple... please, note his stride, if you would.
What I have noticed is that if Hoyer can stride towards his target with left foot at worst at 11 o'clock in relation to his right his accuracy is high and his throws have authority. However, if he flies open, steps left of 11 o'clock accuracy falls dramatically and power dissipates as well.
Noticing this, as well as lots of leaning back as he throws accounting for a lot of his under throws
Noticing this, as well as lots of leaning back as he throws accounting for a lot of his under throws
Thanks... backfoot is kinda the ultimate fly-open, anti-stride.
It's not that backfoot throws don't hurt any QB's accuracy, but when you don't have excess arm strength to compensate...
One more thing if you could...
Please, along with the stride note how much pressure was being applied. Second half of my "theory" is that sometimes the pressure is real, and other times not so much...
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Calling Benji 5'10 is being generous.
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I didn't do any kind of a breakdown, I am just going by what I saw, and what I saw was a 20 for 50 performance.
Of the 30 incomplete passes I suspect that at least 5 (or more) were out and out dropped balls by the receiver (Austin had two in a row at one point), another 5 were good throws that were just well defended by the opponent, and about 15 were just inaccurate throws....with maybe a few miscommunications thrown in.
Does this sound about right?
Though, check this out: it seems to show that the Browns are one of the best in the NFL at not dropping the ball, but they did Sunday:
I didn't do any kind of a breakdown, I am just going by what I saw, and what I saw was a 20 for 50 performance.
Of the 30 incomplete passes I suspect that at least 5 (or more) were out and out dropped balls by the receiver (Austin had two in a row at one point), another 5 were good throws that were just well defended by the opponent, and about 15 were just inaccurate throws....with maybe a few miscommunications thrown in.
Does this sound about right?
Though, check this out: it seems to show that the Browns are one of the best in the NFL at not dropping the ball, but they did Sunday:
How many of those 30 incompletes were desperation throws near the end, hoping for a miracle?
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Noticing this, as well as lots of leaning back as he throws accounting for a lot of his under throws
Thanks... backfoot is kinda the ultimate fly-open, anti-stride.
It's not that backfoot throws don't hurt any QB's accuracy, but when you don't have excess arm strength to compensate...
One more thing if you could...
Please, along with the stride note how much pressure was being applied. Second half of my "theory" is that sometimes the pressure is real, and other times not so much...
Thanks... backfoot is kinda the ultimate fly-open, anti-stride.
It's not that backfoot throws don't hurt any QB's accuracy, but when you don't have excess arm strength to compensate...
One more thing if you could...
Please, along with the stride note how much pressure was being applied. Second half of my "theory" is that sometimes the pressure is real, and other times not so much...
Will look for this.
Here's an example of what I in the other thread referred to as "playing scared", better way of saying it, just being overly cautious.
First examine the picture:
While there was pressure in his face, Hoyer had an opportunity to turn this play into a touchdown. That's a snipit of right before the opportunity emerges, and Hoyer still has time as he's extending out to the sideline. Here's a few seconds later:
While the throw would have been a bit altered and difficult with the defenders in his face, there was plenty of room. The underneath defender didn't move, the other defender near the sideline was far away and more focused on his receiver. To me this was the time to take a chance, being down to a lesser team late into the first half, you gotta try and grab momentum, and this while not an easy throw is a throw a professional qb has to make. It's a medium risk high reward kind of throw, one that I don't see Hoyer attempt very often. I don't think there would have been a high chance of a turnover, probably a 70% chance it gets there and caught, 25% chance it doesn't quite make it or just is off a bit and falls incomplete, and like a 5% chance it gets tipped and picked (or a reaaaaally bad throw and it gets picked.)
Still working on the rest...I've given up watching each game, I'm just going throw all the bad ones and a couple of the good ones. Should be up late tonight.
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If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD! -
If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
Whatchu talkin' bout Willis? I was with you until you ended with the Jim Jones/Viagra thing.
Were you trying for a different thread? This one's kinda middle of the road. Breaking down QB play and whatever stray cats strut in.
I never got the impression there was an overabundance of agreement here.
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If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
This seems far from the truth, I see plenty of critiques on this board. But there is a big difference between real deserved criticism and complete over reaction (something we browns fans are known for). I will criticize every aspect of this team from owner, FO, coaching, O, D and special teams, when it is deserved. I see many on this board do the same. I see some on here with complete over reaction and almost hatred for certain players, and when we are having the best season and probably best team we have had since 99 it can get very irritating.
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Here is a great article breaking down all of Hoyers recent struggles.
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B/R articles.... I think my 6 year old nephew could compose better information.
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The B/R article isn't too bad. Anybody care to note the box count on them? Stockton maybe? It doesn't look like they're stacking against the run to me - as I've said over and over. But maybe they did on every play aside from those 3 idk.
It only covers 3, which isn't enough to get the whole picture of what happened though.
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The B/R article isn't too bad. Anybody care to note the box count on them? Stockton maybe? It doesn't look like they're stacking against the run to me - as I've said over and over. But maybe they did on every play aside from those 3 idk.
It only covers 3, which isn't enough to get the whole picture of what happened though.
The B/R article isn't too bad. Anybody care to note the box count on them? Stockton maybe? It doesn't look like they're stacking against the run to me - as I've said over and over. But maybe they did on every play aside from those 3 idk.
It only covers 3, which isn't enough to get the whole picture of what happened though.
Well on plays 1 and 3 it was 3rd and long and we were in the shotgun, so it'd be weird if the Texans were playing run there.
On play 2 its 2nd and 11 we're in a 2TE 2WR spread and you can clearly see theyre playing a 5-2 (run defense) and only dropping 1 back and the other safety is spying the backfield (for the run). They never once step backwards, they're not scared of anything going over top of them.
Keep trying.
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The B/R article isn't too bad. Anybody care to note the box count on them? Stockton maybe? It doesn't look like they're stacking against the run to me - as I've said over and over. But maybe they did on every play aside from those 3 idk.
It only covers 3, which isn't enough to get the whole picture of what happened though.
Well on plays 1 and 3 it was 3rd and long and we were in the shotgun, so it'd be weird if the Texans were playing run there.
On play 2 its 2nd and 11 we're in a 2TE 2WR spread and you can clearly see theyre playing a 5-2 (run defense) and only dropping 1 back and the other safety is spying the backfield (for the run). They never once step backwards, they're not scared of anything going over top of them.
Keep trying.
Grab the 30 inconpletions and find the % they loaded up. I bet it's maybe 15-20% of plays there's 7+ in the box. Cincinnati did it more than anybody.Well on plays 1 and 3 it was 3rd and long and we were in the shotgun, so it'd be weird if the Texans were playing run there.
On play 2 its 2nd and 11 we're in a 2TE 2WR spread and you can clearly see theyre playing a 5-2 (run defense) and only dropping 1 back and the other safety is spying the backfield (for the run). They never once step backwards, they're not scared of anything going over top of them.
Keep trying.
Even in that 7 man box, they only rushed 4.
And if there's anything they should be scared of it's Hoyer going 15+, which is a stat where he was #1 in going into Sunday. The issue has been short-intermediate stuff
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If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
Don't think that's the deal at all.
This seems far from the truth, I see plenty of critiques on this board. But there is a big difference between real deserved criticism and complete over reaction (something we browns fans are known for). I will criticize every aspect of this team from owner, FO, coaching, O, D and special teams, when it is deserved. I see many on this board do the same. I see some on here with complete over reaction and almost hatred for certain players, and when we are having the best season and probably best team we have had since 99 it can get very irritating.
What gets boring is the over the top criticism of one player. Yeah Stockton, those breakdowns show how inaccurate Hoyer can be at times. Care to tell us something everyone else on this board doesn't know already? Too bad they don't show some of the great throws he made during the Texans game. I said it elsewhere- Hoyer is on game 3 of his 3 game audition Sunday against the Falcons. He has to win- he knows it, or it's Manziel time. You're going up against the worst pass defense in the NFL- so you had better have a great game.
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