Film Study on Hoyer
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Purple... please, note his stride, if you would.
What I have noticed is that if Hoyer can stride towards his target with left foot at worst at 11 o'clock in relation to his right his accuracy is high and his throws have authority. However, if he flies open, steps left of 11 o'clock accuracy falls dramatically and power dissipates as well.
Purple... please, note his stride, if you would.
What I have noticed is that if Hoyer can stride towards his target with left foot at worst at 11 o'clock in relation to his right his accuracy is high and his throws have authority. However, if he flies open, steps left of 11 o'clock accuracy falls dramatically and power dissipates as well.
Noticing this, as well as lots of leaning back as he throws accounting for a lot of his under throws
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I didn't do any kind of a breakdown, I am just going by what I saw, and what I saw was a 20 for 50 performance.
Of the 30 incomplete passes I suspect that at least 5 (or more) were out and out dropped balls by the receiver (Austin had two in a row at one point), another 5 were good throws that were just well defended by the opponent, and about 15 were just inaccurate throws....with maybe a few miscommunications thrown in.
Does this sound about right?
Though, check this out: it seems to show that the Browns are one of the best in the NFL at not dropping the ball, but they did Sunday:
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Purple... please, note his stride, if you would.
What I have noticed is that if Hoyer can stride towards his target with left foot at worst at 11 o'clock in relation to his right his accuracy is high and his throws have authority. However, if he flies open, steps left of 11 o'clock accuracy falls dramatically and power dissipates as well.
Noticing this, as well as lots of leaning back as he throws accounting for a lot of his under throws
Noticing this, as well as lots of leaning back as he throws accounting for a lot of his under throws
Thanks... backfoot is kinda the ultimate fly-open, anti-stride.
It's not that backfoot throws don't hurt any QB's accuracy, but when you don't have excess arm strength to compensate...
One more thing if you could...
Please, along with the stride note how much pressure was being applied. Second half of my "theory" is that sometimes the pressure is real, and other times not so much...
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Calling Benji 5'10 is being generous.
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I didn't do any kind of a breakdown, I am just going by what I saw, and what I saw was a 20 for 50 performance.
Of the 30 incomplete passes I suspect that at least 5 (or more) were out and out dropped balls by the receiver (Austin had two in a row at one point), another 5 were good throws that were just well defended by the opponent, and about 15 were just inaccurate throws....with maybe a few miscommunications thrown in.
Does this sound about right?
Though, check this out: it seems to show that the Browns are one of the best in the NFL at not dropping the ball, but they did Sunday:
I didn't do any kind of a breakdown, I am just going by what I saw, and what I saw was a 20 for 50 performance.
Of the 30 incomplete passes I suspect that at least 5 (or more) were out and out dropped balls by the receiver (Austin had two in a row at one point), another 5 were good throws that were just well defended by the opponent, and about 15 were just inaccurate throws....with maybe a few miscommunications thrown in.
Does this sound about right?
Though, check this out: it seems to show that the Browns are one of the best in the NFL at not dropping the ball, but they did Sunday:
How many of those 30 incompletes were desperation throws near the end, hoping for a miracle?
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Noticing this, as well as lots of leaning back as he throws accounting for a lot of his under throws
Thanks... backfoot is kinda the ultimate fly-open, anti-stride.
It's not that backfoot throws don't hurt any QB's accuracy, but when you don't have excess arm strength to compensate...
One more thing if you could...
Please, along with the stride note how much pressure was being applied. Second half of my "theory" is that sometimes the pressure is real, and other times not so much...
Thanks... backfoot is kinda the ultimate fly-open, anti-stride.
It's not that backfoot throws don't hurt any QB's accuracy, but when you don't have excess arm strength to compensate...
One more thing if you could...
Please, along with the stride note how much pressure was being applied. Second half of my "theory" is that sometimes the pressure is real, and other times not so much...
Will look for this.
Here's an example of what I in the other thread referred to as "playing scared", better way of saying it, just being overly cautious.
First examine the picture:
While there was pressure in his face, Hoyer had an opportunity to turn this play into a touchdown. That's a snipit of right before the opportunity emerges, and Hoyer still has time as he's extending out to the sideline. Here's a few seconds later:
While the throw would have been a bit altered and difficult with the defenders in his face, there was plenty of room. The underneath defender didn't move, the other defender near the sideline was far away and more focused on his receiver. To me this was the time to take a chance, being down to a lesser team late into the first half, you gotta try and grab momentum, and this while not an easy throw is a throw a professional qb has to make. It's a medium risk high reward kind of throw, one that I don't see Hoyer attempt very often. I don't think there would have been a high chance of a turnover, probably a 70% chance it gets there and caught, 25% chance it doesn't quite make it or just is off a bit and falls incomplete, and like a 5% chance it gets tipped and picked (or a reaaaaally bad throw and it gets picked.)
Still working on the rest...I've given up watching each game, I'm just going throw all the bad ones and a couple of the good ones. Should be up late tonight.
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If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD! -
If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
Whatchu talkin' bout Willis? I was with you until you ended with the Jim Jones/Viagra thing.
Were you trying for a different thread? This one's kinda middle of the road. Breaking down QB play and whatever stray cats strut in.
I never got the impression there was an overabundance of agreement here.
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If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
This seems far from the truth, I see plenty of critiques on this board. But there is a big difference between real deserved criticism and complete over reaction (something we browns fans are known for). I will criticize every aspect of this team from owner, FO, coaching, O, D and special teams, when it is deserved. I see many on this board do the same. I see some on here with complete over reaction and almost hatred for certain players, and when we are having the best season and probably best team we have had since 99 it can get very irritating.
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Here is a great article breaking down all of Hoyers recent struggles.
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B/R articles.... I think my 6 year old nephew could compose better information.
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The B/R article isn't too bad. Anybody care to note the box count on them? Stockton maybe? It doesn't look like they're stacking against the run to me - as I've said over and over. But maybe they did on every play aside from those 3 idk.
It only covers 3, which isn't enough to get the whole picture of what happened though.
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The B/R article isn't too bad. Anybody care to note the box count on them? Stockton maybe? It doesn't look like they're stacking against the run to me - as I've said over and over. But maybe they did on every play aside from those 3 idk.
It only covers 3, which isn't enough to get the whole picture of what happened though.
The B/R article isn't too bad. Anybody care to note the box count on them? Stockton maybe? It doesn't look like they're stacking against the run to me - as I've said over and over. But maybe they did on every play aside from those 3 idk.
It only covers 3, which isn't enough to get the whole picture of what happened though.
Well on plays 1 and 3 it was 3rd and long and we were in the shotgun, so it'd be weird if the Texans were playing run there.
On play 2 its 2nd and 11 we're in a 2TE 2WR spread and you can clearly see theyre playing a 5-2 (run defense) and only dropping 1 back and the other safety is spying the backfield (for the run). They never once step backwards, they're not scared of anything going over top of them.
Keep trying.
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The B/R article isn't too bad. Anybody care to note the box count on them? Stockton maybe? It doesn't look like they're stacking against the run to me - as I've said over and over. But maybe they did on every play aside from those 3 idk.
It only covers 3, which isn't enough to get the whole picture of what happened though.
Well on plays 1 and 3 it was 3rd and long and we were in the shotgun, so it'd be weird if the Texans were playing run there.
On play 2 its 2nd and 11 we're in a 2TE 2WR spread and you can clearly see theyre playing a 5-2 (run defense) and only dropping 1 back and the other safety is spying the backfield (for the run). They never once step backwards, they're not scared of anything going over top of them.
Keep trying.
Grab the 30 inconpletions and find the % they loaded up. I bet it's maybe 15-20% of plays there's 7+ in the box. Cincinnati did it more than anybody.Well on plays 1 and 3 it was 3rd and long and we were in the shotgun, so it'd be weird if the Texans were playing run there.
On play 2 its 2nd and 11 we're in a 2TE 2WR spread and you can clearly see theyre playing a 5-2 (run defense) and only dropping 1 back and the other safety is spying the backfield (for the run). They never once step backwards, they're not scared of anything going over top of them.
Keep trying.
Even in that 7 man box, they only rushed 4.
And if there's anything they should be scared of it's Hoyer going 15+, which is a stat where he was #1 in going into Sunday. The issue has been short-intermediate stuff
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If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
If you criticize Hoyer, you're a hater and Manziel fan. If you say anything negative about the play calling or coaching decisions then you get called juvenile names. You can't critique anything about the Browns without being lambasted! The Browns are perfect. Coach Pettine is the best coach in the NFL. Hoyer makes Tom Brady look like Brandon Weeden. he has the strongest most accurate arm in the league. The defense is reminiscent of the '85 Bears. Isaiah Crowell will be the next Jim Brown.
What kind of Forum is this anyway.
I suppose most of you are under 18 anyway and never suffered "The Drive", "The Fumble", Sipe throwing an interception in the end zone (I was at that game) when all we needed was a field goal sending Oakland to the Super Bowl.
This Board reminds me of living in La La land where everyone agrees with the majority and drinks the grape Kool-aid while swallowing the blue pill.
Don't think that's the deal at all.
This seems far from the truth, I see plenty of critiques on this board. But there is a big difference between real deserved criticism and complete over reaction (something we browns fans are known for). I will criticize every aspect of this team from owner, FO, coaching, O, D and special teams, when it is deserved. I see many on this board do the same. I see some on here with complete over reaction and almost hatred for certain players, and when we are having the best season and probably best team we have had since 99 it can get very irritating.
What gets boring is the over the top criticism of one player. Yeah Stockton, those breakdowns show how inaccurate Hoyer can be at times. Care to tell us something everyone else on this board doesn't know already? Too bad they don't show some of the great throws he made during the Texans game. I said it elsewhere- Hoyer is on game 3 of his 3 game audition Sunday against the Falcons. He has to win- he knows it, or it's Manziel time. You're going up against the worst pass defense in the NFL- so you had better have a great game.
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B/R articles.... I think my 6 year old nephew could compose better information.
Really...
I was going to stop after the first ludicrous example, but now, thanks to a certain someone chiming in, I have to look at the whole thing.
FYI, "someone", thru the first half the Texans put 8 or more in the box 6 times and we totaled 87 yards against that look. Sure sucks that a team that leans so heavily on PAP sees so many 8+ looks...
Example 1: The second frame was snapped after the ball was in the air. It's something one does when they want their point to be correct. But in this case it also "cropped out" the pressure in Hoyer's face that he had to throw over. Not an excuse, as there was ample room to drop in the pass and it should have been completed. Regardless... it was the correct read.
Example 2 (S5P3): The point at which the writer claimed the ball should be out is 0.6 seconds after the snap (my DVR slo-mo's forward at 30 fps). The ball was gone in 0.8 seconds... and at that it was rushed producing the errant throw and the poor throwing position the writer describes.
Hoyer did not drive into his back-peddle, hit his spot and set. His mechanics were off. I have no idea why, but a poor throw was the result. Fortunately the CB was beaten so badly by Gabe's quick out that he was fixated on him and not the ball.
Example 3: My film review has not gotten into the second half and I have little substantive comment. The "after" screen shot shows little sign of a pocket, so I suspect Hoyer did not stride well and the pass may have been errant. However, I also wonder if Gabe broke too far downfield as he is 5-yards past the line to gain. The writer's "throw open" comment seems a little misplaced to me.
On play 2 its 2nd and 11 we're in a 2TE 2WR spread and you can clearly see theyre playing a 5-2 (run defense) and only dropping 1 back and the other safety is spying the backfield (for the run). They never once step backwards, they're not scared of anything going over top of them.
Huh... here I thought the 5-2 look from a 3-4 D was its neutral, base defense... not a "run defense". On the other hand the ILBs are only 5 yards deep... no wait... that's standard, too... Must be a mensa-clever, "run D" disguise...
Are the CBs playing 10 yards off because "they're not scared of anything going over top of them"? Is that also why they started the play at the 36, but ended up inside the 35 with the nearside CB actually reaching the 33? BUt they did not move backwards so...
Nonetheless it's also weird how the up, "run support Safety" managed to back-peddle out of my 16:9 frame at the snap while "never once step(ping) backwards". Similarly odd that the deep Safety got from the 32 at the snap to the 27 without going backwards.
Apparently these Texan DBs were tricky fellas...
It's been well established that "someone" is an arrogant ass, but I at least used to think he was an honest one...
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B/R articles.... I think my 6 year old nephew could compose better information.
Really...
I was going to stop after the first ludicrous example, but now, thanks to a certain someone chiming in, I have to look at the whole thing.
FYI, "someone", thru the first half the Texans put 8 or more in the box 6 times and we totaled 87 yards against that look. Sure sucks that a team that leans so heavily on PAP sees so many 8+ looks...
Example 1: The second frame was snapped after the ball was in the air. It's something one does when they want their point to be correct. But in this case it also "cropped out" the pressure in Hoyer's face that he had to throw over. Not an excuse, as there was ample room to drop in the pass and it should have been completed. Regardless... it was the correct read.
Example 2 (S5P3): The point at which the writer claimed the ball should be out is 0.6 seconds after the snap (my DVR slo-mo's forward at 30 fps). The ball was gone in 0.8 seconds... and at that it was rushed producing the errant throw and the poor throwing position the writer describes.
Hoyer did not drive into his back-peddle, hit his spot and set. His mechanics were off. I have no idea why, but a poor throw was the result. Fortunately the CB was beaten so badly by Gabe's quick out that he was fixated on him and not the ball.
Example 3: My film review has not gotten into the second half and I have little substantive comment. The "after" screen shot shows little sign of a pocket, so I suspect Hoyer did not stride well and the pass may have been errant. However, I also wonder if Gabe broke too far downfield as he is 5-yards past the line to gain. The writer's "throw open" comment seems a little misplaced to me.
On play 2 its 2nd and 11 we're in a 2TE 2WR spread and you can clearly see theyre playing a 5-2 (run defense) and only dropping 1 back and the other safety is spying the backfield (for the run). They never once step backwards, they're not scared of anything going over top of them.
Huh... here I thought the 5-2 look from a 3-4 D was its neutral, base defense... not a "run defense". On the other hand the ILBs are only 5 yards deep... no wait... that's standard, too... Must be a mensa-clever, "run D" disguise...
Are the CBs playing 10 yards off because "they're not scared of anything going over top of them"? Is that also why they started the play at the 36, but ended up inside the 35 with the nearside CB actually reaching the 33? BUt they did not move backwards so...
Nonetheless it's also weird how the up, "run support Safety" managed to back-peddle out of my 16:9 frame at the snap while "never once step(ping) backwards". Similarly odd that the deep Safety got from the 32 at the snap to the 27 without going backwards.
Apparently these Texan DBs were tricky fellas...
It's been well established that "someone" is an arrogant ass, but I at least used to think he was an honest one...
Really...
I was going to stop after the first ludicrous example, but now, thanks to a certain someone chiming in, I have to look at the whole thing.
FYI, "someone", thru the first half the Texans put 8 or more in the box 6 times and we totaled 87 yards against that look. Sure sucks that a team that leans so heavily on PAP sees so many 8+ looks...
Example 1: The second frame was snapped after the ball was in the air. It's something one does when they want their point to be correct. But in this case it also "cropped out" the pressure in Hoyer's face that he had to throw over. Not an excuse, as there was ample room to drop in the pass and it should have been completed. Regardless... it was the correct read.
Example 2 (S5P3): The point at which the writer claimed the ball should be out is 0.6 seconds after the snap (my DVR slo-mo's forward at 30 fps). The ball was gone in 0.8 seconds... and at that it was rushed producing the errant throw and the poor throwing position the writer describes.
Hoyer did not drive into his back-peddle, hit his spot and set. His mechanics were off. I have no idea why, but a poor throw was the result. Fortunately the CB was beaten so badly by Gabe's quick out that he was fixated on him and not the ball.
Example 3: My film review has not gotten into the second half and I have little substantive comment. The "after" screen shot shows little sign of a pocket, so I suspect Hoyer did not stride well and the pass may have been errant. However, I also wonder if Gabe broke too far downfield as he is 5-yards past the line to gain. The writer's "throw open" comment seems a little misplaced to me.
Huh... here I thought the 5-2 look from a 3-4 D was its neutral, base defense... not a "run defense". On the other hand the ILBs are only 5 yards deep... no wait... that's standard, too... Must be a mensa-clever, "run D" disguise...
Are the CBs playing 10 yards off because "they're not scared of anything going over top of them"? Is that also why they started the play at the 36, but ended up inside the 35 with the nearside CB actually reaching the 33? BUt they did not move backwards so...
Nonetheless it's also weird how the up, "run support Safety" managed to back-peddle out of my 16:9 frame at the snap while "never once step(ping) backwards". Similarly odd that the deep Safety got from the 32 at the snap to the 27 without going backwards.
Apparently these Texan DBs were tricky fellas...
It's been well established that "someone" is an arrogant ass, but I at least used to think he was an honest one...
Its amazing how you'll even argue with pictures. You can look at it, and yet you're saying "Well that's not the truth" Really? The picture is lying now?
This guy couldn't break it down any more clearly and you take his information, which is in great detail and example, and say "Well this is all wrong, my film study says otherwise" Great argument.
You're trying to make an argument that a guy who threw 30 incompletions didn't have a bad game.
Doesn't take a MENSA man like me to realize only an idiot would try to defend that.
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Really...
I was going to stop after the first ludicrous example, but now, thanks to a certain someone chiming in, I have to look at the whole thing.
FYI, "someone", thru the first half the Texans put 8 or more in the box 6 times and we totaled 87 yards against that look. Sure sucks that a team that leans so heavily on PAP sees so many 8+ looks...
Example 1: The second frame was snapped after the ball was in the air. It's something one does when they want their point to be correct. But in this case it also "cropped out" the pressure in Hoyer's face that he had to throw over. Not an excuse, as there was ample room to drop in the pass and it should have been completed. Regardless... it was the correct read.
Example 2 (S5P3): The point at which the writer claimed the ball should be out is 0.6 seconds after the snap (my DVR slo-mo's forward at 30 fps). The ball was gone in 0.8 seconds... and at that it was rushed producing the errant throw and the poor throwing position the writer describes.
Hoyer did not drive into his back-peddle, hit his spot and set. His mechanics were off. I have no idea why, but a poor throw was the result. Fortunately the CB was beaten so badly by Gabe's quick out that he was fixated on him and not the ball.
Example 3: My film review has not gotten into the second half and I have little substantive comment. The "after" screen shot shows little sign of a pocket, so I suspect Hoyer did not stride well and the pass may have been errant. However, I also wonder if Gabe broke too far downfield as he is 5-yards past the line to gain. The writer's "throw open" comment seems a little misplaced to me.
Huh... here I thought the 5-2 look from a 3-4 D was its neutral, base defense... not a "run defense". On the other hand the ILBs are only 5 yards deep... no wait... that's standard, too... Must be a mensa-clever, "run D" disguise...
Are the CBs playing 10 yards off because "they're not scared of anything going over top of them"? Is that also why they started the play at the 36, but ended up inside the 35 with the nearside CB actually reaching the 33? BUt they did not move backwards so...
Nonetheless it's also weird how the up, "run support Safety" managed to back-peddle out of my 16:9 frame at the snap while "never once step(ping) backwards". Similarly odd that the deep Safety got from the 32 at the snap to the 27 without going backwards.
Apparently these Texan DBs were tricky fellas...
It's been well established that "someone" is an arrogant ass, but I at least used to think he was an honest one...
Its amazing how you'll even argue with pictures. You can look at it, and yet you're saying "Well that's not the truth" Really? The picture is lying now?
This guy couldn't break it down any more clearly and you take his information, which is in great detail and example, and say "Well this is all wrong, my film study says otherwise" Great argument.
You're trying to make an argument that a guy who threw 30 incompletions didn't have a bad game.
Doesn't take a MENSA man like me to realize only an idiot would try to defend that.
Its amazing how you'll even argue with pictures. You can look at it, and yet you're saying "Well that's not the truth" Really? The picture is lying now?
This guy couldn't break it down any more clearly and you take his information, which is in great detail and example, and say "Well this is all wrong, my film study says otherwise" Great argument.
You're trying to make an argument that a guy who threw 30 incompletions didn't have a bad game.
Doesn't take a MENSA man like me to realize only an idiot would try to defend that.
Gee, no one is saying Hoyer didn't have a bad game against the Texans, and was at least partially responsible for the loss. And I will say this- if defenses aren't afraid of Hoyer's arm, why are the corners playing so far off the receivers? Yes Hoyer made a lot of bad throws Sunday. Sheeze.
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Really...
I was going to stop after the first ludicrous example, but now, thanks to a certain someone chiming in, I have to look at the whole thing.
FYI, "someone", thru the first half the Texans put 8 or more in the box 6 times and we totaled 87 yards against that look. Sure sucks that a team that leans so heavily on PAP sees so many 8+ looks...
Example 1: The second frame was snapped after the ball was in the air. It's something one does when they want their point to be correct. But in this case it also "cropped out" the pressure in Hoyer's face that he had to throw over. Not an excuse, as there was ample room to drop in the pass and it should have been completed. Regardless... it was the correct read.
Example 2 (S5P3): The point at which the writer claimed the ball should be out is 0.6 seconds after the snap (my DVR slo-mo's forward at 30 fps). The ball was gone in 0.8 seconds... and at that it was rushed producing the errant throw and the poor throwing position the writer describes.
Hoyer did not drive into his back-peddle, hit his spot and set. His mechanics were off. I have no idea why, but a poor throw was the result. Fortunately the CB was beaten so badly by Gabe's quick out that he was fixated on him and not the ball.
Example 3: My film review has not gotten into the second half and I have little substantive comment. The "after" screen shot shows little sign of a pocket, so I suspect Hoyer did not stride well and the pass may have been errant. However, I also wonder if Gabe broke too far downfield as he is 5-yards past the line to gain. The writer's "throw open" comment seems a little misplaced to me.
Huh... here I thought the 5-2 look from a 3-4 D was its neutral, base defense... not a "run defense". On the other hand the ILBs are only 5 yards deep... no wait... that's standard, too... Must be a mensa-clever, "run D" disguise...
Are the CBs playing 10 yards off because "they're not scared of anything going over top of them"? Is that also why they started the play at the 36, but ended up inside the 35 with the nearside CB actually reaching the 33? BUt they did not move backwards so...
Nonetheless it's also weird how the up, "run support Safety" managed to back-peddle out of my 16:9 frame at the snap while "never once step(ping) backwards". Similarly odd that the deep Safety got from the 32 at the snap to the 27 without going backwards.
Apparently these Texan DBs were tricky fellas...
It's been well established that "someone" is an arrogant ass, but I at least used to think he was an honest one...
Its amazing how you'll even argue with pictures. You can look at it, and yet you're saying "Well that's not the truth" Really? The picture is lying now?
This guy couldn't break it down any more clearly and you take his information, which is in great detail and example, and say "Well this is all wrong, my film study says otherwise" Great argument.
You're trying to make an argument that a guy who threw 30 incompletions didn't have a bad game.
Doesn't take a MENSA man like me to realize only an idiot would try to defend that.
Its amazing how you'll even argue with pictures. You can look at it, and yet you're saying "Well that's not the truth" Really? The picture is lying now?
This guy couldn't break it down any more clearly and you take his information, which is in great detail and example, and say "Well this is all wrong, my film study says otherwise" Great argument.
You're trying to make an argument that a guy who threw 30 incompletions didn't have a bad game.
Doesn't take a MENSA man like me to realize only an idiot would try to defend that.
Maybe he's saying a few pictures doesn't paint the whole picture of a football play. He didn't say they were good throws, just brought more perspective.
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