Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer
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Geat feel for the game, goes through his progressions, reads the field,good decisions, great touch, usually very accurate when his team allows him to get into a rhythm, knows how to switch up velocity on throws, great at hitting recievers I coverage squeezing it through tight windows, good technique, acceptable footwork. And his best attribute, his leadership and ability to get a team behind him. Makes his team better. And the dude is just a winner, always steps it up big time when we need him most. You can thank the protection and recievers' inability to do anything for his 4th quarter Sunday. Two completely different teams last year when hoyer was in and when weeden and Campbell were in. Only a handful of QB's could have been as succesful as hoyer up to this point in the season.
There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
You are singling out one player, the o line has been bad at times, as have the wide receivers, along with the run D, special teams, and hoyer. We are saying the team as a whole has played bad, and we cite specific examples based on specific games. You on the other hand cry about hoyer every game, even when he plays well. Your obsession over him sucking, when he is actually probably the best qb we have had since 99, is what makes it seem like you are not a "true browns fan".
You also never seem to enjoy the win, even after the cincy game, you came on and cried more about hoyer.
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Like I said, you can look at stats or at intangibles and watch the games. I'm not even going to bother explaining why those stats you put up are completely pointless in context. I'm done with you, you're an idiot and have an agenda. Seriously tho, go die
You're done because you've run out of legs to stand on.
I've watched every game. If you're still under the mindset that Brian Hoyer is a Franchise QB, a long term answer, then there is no way you've watched every game this year.
This is what has happened around here. Everyone accusing everyone who isn't on board with Hoyer of being a "Johnny Fanboy" when in reality you're all just Hoyer fanboys. You're more in love with Hoyer then you are the Browns. If cared more about the Browns you wouldn't think much of Hoyer and certainly wouldn't jump to defend him, while throwing the rest of the team under the bus, after a 30 incompletion game.
Brain Fanboys are the problem. People too blind to see the truth because they're in love with the local kid. You care more about Hoyer than you do the Browns and its proven when you trash everyone on the team except for Hoyer.
You're done because you've run out of legs to stand on.
I've watched every game. If you're still under the mindset that Brian Hoyer is a Franchise QB, a long term answer, then there is no way you've watched every game this year.
This is what has happened around here. Everyone accusing everyone who isn't on board with Hoyer of being a "Johnny Fanboy" when in reality you're all just Hoyer fanboys. You're more in love with Hoyer then you are the Browns. If cared more about the Browns you wouldn't think much of Hoyer and certainly wouldn't jump to defend him, while throwing the rest of the team under the bus, after a 30 incompletion game.
Brain Fanboys are the problem. People too blind to see the truth because they're in love with the local kid. You care more about Hoyer than you do the Browns and its proven when you trash everyone on the team except for Hoyer.
I point out what is going on. It's no secret our receiving crew, running game, and pass protection combined isn't ideal to win football games. Hoyer's gotten way more out of this team than should have. I'll come back to you next year when we have Mack back and gordon playing
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Thats so true Stockton..
"Hoyers Heros" always come with the line that the "Manzealots" care more about Manziel than the team.. if thats true then they are just as guilty
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There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
You are singling out one player, the o line has been bad at times, as have the wide receivers, along with the run D, special teams, and hoyer. We are saying the team as a whole has played bad, and we cite specific examples based on specific games. You on the other hand cry about hoyer every game, even when he plays well. Your obsession over him sucking, when he is actually probably the best qb we have had since 99, is what makes it seem like you are not a "true browns fan".
You also never seem to enjoy the win, even after the cincy game, you came on and cried more about hoyer.
you came on and cried more about hoyer.
Hahaha.
It's the ONLY thing he does. And it's not a discussion. It's a 6 month, 50,000 word, 457 hour non stop rant. He has devoted his LIFE to being here and repeating the same thing over and over and over again
You'll learn.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Hoyers tonsil ticklers has a better ring to it.
My favorite is:
I know Manziel sucks and will never make it in the NFL. I never wanted him drafted and i hope we can trade him ...but i support him fully!
Its like calling your kid a failure and telling them they wont amount to anything, then adding in ...but i support you!
lol
Haven't seen anyone here say that, although I am sure some, me included, have doubts about manziel. I don't "know" anything, I have an opinion about him. I do know that if he was winning games, and showed the leadership abilities hoyer has, I would support him.
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Seems the trend lately has been getting a team and then plugging in the franchise guy.
See:
1.) Denver
2.) Seattle
3.) Chiefs
4.) Packers
5.) Indy?
6.) AZ?
Up next: Bengals?, Browns?, Chicago?, Houston?, Buffalo?
The teams who get a QB before everything else: Vikings, Jags, Raiders, Falcons
Regardless there's many right ways to build a team. Plugging "the guy" into a well built team seems to help them flourish more than plugging a guy into a more hapless team like the vikings, falcons, jags, jets, raiders
Can't explain how dumb this list is.
Denver got Peyton Manning. They were going to be good either way.
Seattle was 7-9 before Wilson
Arizona (who I don't think belongs on this list) was 5-11 before Palmer
Indy was 2-14 before Luck
Chiefs were 2-14 before Smith
Packers are the best scenario, they were 13-3 before Rodgers, then 6-10 his first year (after sitting 4 years) and they had to rebuild the roster around him.
None of those teams were "Ready" teams before they got their QB (Except maybe Denver) They all grew with their QB. As did Atlanta (as someone tried to throw in Matt Ryan as "rushed too soon" that guy has been the #1 seed and in a NFC Championship. By this boards standards thats HOF quality).
Can't explain how dumb this list is.
Denver got Peyton Manning. They were going to be good either way.
Seattle was 7-9 before Wilson
Arizona (who I don't think belongs on this list) was 5-11 before Palmer
Indy was 2-14 before Luck
Chiefs were 2-14 before Smith
Packers are the best scenario, they were 13-3 before Rodgers, then 6-10 his first year (after sitting 4 years) and they had to rebuild the roster around him.
None of those teams were "Ready" teams before they got their QB (Except maybe Denver) They all grew with their QB. As did Atlanta (as someone tried to throw in Matt Ryan as "rushed too soon" that guy has been the #1 seed and in a NFC Championship. By this boards standards thats HOF quality).
A superior mind should be able to explain things... yet you never make a case that withstands scrutiny. Why is that?
Seattle... Bottomed out at 4-12 under Holmgren. Rose to 5-12 in Mora's only year. Then posted straight 7-9's in Carroll's first two years.
In 2010 Carroll added: Okung, Thomas, Tate, Chancellor and a fellow named Lynch.
In 2011 Carroll added: Moffitt, Wright, Sherman and Browner.
The table was set...
Colts... Were 10-6 and 14-2 the two years before the year they tanked to draft Luck. Painter struggled at while Manning recovered from neck surgery... which he did during the season... but still was not played. How many other players did they instantly add in Luck's rookie year as they rebuilt around him?
Chiefs... simultaneously added Andy Reid who revitalized the franchise after Crennel lost the "locker room".
I could go on, but am no longer amused enough to bother.
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Kudos to the Mods for funneling all the garbage into this one thread.
Many thanks...
It was a dirty, thankless job... now it's only a dirty one.
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Kudos to the Mods for funneling all the garbage into this one thread.
Many thanks...
It was a dirty, thankless job... now it's only a dirty one.
Kudos to the Mods for funneling all the garbage into this one thread.
Many thanks...
It was a dirty, thankless job... now it's only a dirty one.
Dont worry the big one is still lingering out there as a stand alone and will be making a reappearance when the right time comes
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Dont worry the big one is still lingering out there as a stand alone and will be making a reappearance when the right time comes
Don't know what this means, but it sounds fucking horrible.
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Dont worry the big one is still lingering out there as a stand alone and will be making a reappearance when the right time comes
Don't know what this means, but it sounds fucking horrible.
Don't know what this means, but it sounds fucking horrible.
He's talking about my dick.
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Don't know what this means, but it sounds fucking horrible.
He's talking about my dick.
He's talking about my dick.
So I was right then
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Watch the language fellas... one of the mods is on her period.
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Watch the language fellas... one of the mods is on her period.
Watch the language fellas... one of the mods is on her period.
Fuck off cum dumpster
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Lmao... make that 2 bitches on their period.
Lmao... make that 2 bitches on their period.
And there you are, sniffing their crotches.
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Sweet, capt save a ho comes to the rescue...
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What does this mean?
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Sweet, capt save a ho comes to the rescue...
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Somebody needs a midol.
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Geat feel for the game, goes through his progressions, reads the field,good decisions, great touch, usually very accurate when his team allows him to get into a rhythm, knows how to switch up velocity on throws, great at hitting recievers I coverage squeezing it through tight windows, good technique, acceptable footwork. And his best attribute, his leadership and ability to get a team behind him. Makes his team better. And the dude is just a winner, always steps it up big time when we need him most. You can thank the protection and recievers' inability to do anything for his 4th quarter Sunday. Two completely different teams last year when hoyer was in and when weeden and Campbell were in. Only a handful of QB's could have been as succesful as hoyer up to this point in the season.
There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
It's because you're shoveling blame on Hoyer for those losses. Go shovel some blame on "franchise quarterbacks" Breese & Ryan for their teams LOSING records. So regarding the Texans- The Browns defense gave up 200+ yards rushing to F**king backup RBs. That's on Hoyer. The Browns defense didn't get within 5 feet of Mallett on dropbacks, except when their center snapped the ball 12' over his head. That's on Hoyer. Crowell fumbles- that's on Hoyer. A 100 yard kickoff return gets called back on a penalty- that's on Hoyer. Austin gifts an interception to the Texans that hit him in the numbers- that's on Hoyer.
You're done because you've run out of legs to stand on.
I've watched every game. If you're still under the mindset that Brian Hoyer is a Franchise QB, a long term answer, then there is no way you've watched every game this year.
This is what has happened around here. Everyone accusing everyone who isn't on board with Hoyer of being a "Johnny Fanboy" when in reality you're all just Hoyer fanboys. You're more in love with Hoyer then you are the Browns. If cared more about the Browns you wouldn't think much of Hoyer and certainly wouldn't jump to defend him, while throwing the rest of the team under the bus, after a 30 incompletion game.
Brain Fanboys are the problem. People too blind to see the truth because they're in love with the local kid. You care more about Hoyer than you do the Browns and its proven when you trash everyone on the team except for Hoyer.
Bluntly, you've got about no legs left to stand on- seen me calling Hoyer a franchise qb lately? Anyone else? YOU have issues Stockton- a one trick pony of Hoyer bashing.
Thats so true Stockton..
"Hoyers Heros" always come with the line that the "Manzealots" care more about Manziel than the team.. if thats true then they are just as guilty
I call it 6-4 PGL- I respect your right to think Manziel is the better qb- eventually- but that time isn't now. It's f**cking insanity- and I said as much to toss JFF out there now- when the Browns still have a very legit shot at the playoffs. The conclusion would be- either the coaches know what they're doing- and you don't, or You can damn guarantee me throwing Manziel out there now is going to have dramatically better results than what Bortles and Carr have done so far. For the record, I'll take 6-4 over a combined 1-19 and 74 qbr.
Kudos to the Mods for funneling all the garbage into this one thread.
Many thanks...
It was a dirty, thankless job... now it's only a dirty one.
I'll put on my Mod hat for a minute, and give everyone a piece of my mind. The Z-man must have merged the threads, as he should have.
The only reason Stockton hasn't been kicked off yet is we'll tolerate dissenting opinions on this board to a fault. Even if they're totally nuts, or flat out stupid. Stockton's opinion about starting Manziel & potentially throwing the season in the toilet, and Ghoolie's "O-line is dime a dozen" fall into the previous category, and Poetic G's opinions about McCoy and Richardson fall into the latter.
I'll say this to Stockton- give it up already- you're not going to change anyone's mind, we all know your opinion- in spades. You're not impressing me- or anyone else- with your inflated self opinion of your football acumen. Playground Legend will attest- on the other board this thread would have been locked long ago as an exercise in futility.
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As I've said teams only play the run against the Browns. They don't care about Hoyer, he doesn't scare them so they load up against the run. You keep trying to tell me that this isn't the case. Thats your Hoyer love blinding you. Everyone else sees it. Grossi. Hammer. McManamon. Banner. Even bloggers that were once touting Hoyer Destroyer himself....
Keep arguing against reality. Look at the stats below. I've told you all along, since day 1 that history would be kind to my words.
http://dawgpoundnation.com/2014/11/18/browns-loss-to-texans-exposes-problems-that-were-there-all-along/The writing was on the wall for this melt down. The Texans didn’t do anything really different from the script on beating the Browns. They got up early, stuff the box against the run, forced Brian Hoyer to throw a lot of passes. They attacked the Browns defensive line with a high number of rushing attempts. If you can stick to that formula, you will beat the Browns 90% of the time.
The numbers don’t lie. The Texans focused on taking the run away from the Browns early, and like most teams since Alex Mack went down, were successful. Crowell broke loose once for 35 yards, but overall only got 14 touches and 65 yards. Terrance West only got 5 carries for 12 yards, and Ben Tate only 2 carries for -9 yards. Granted, the run game wasn’t great, but the Browns only ran the ball a total of 21 times this game. They threw the ball 50 times. That means they had a 70/30 pass to run split.
The problem is that Brian Hoyer is A.) Not a good enough quarterback to win football games without an effective running game, and B.) Not good enough to throw the ball 50 times in any game, ever. Hoyer set a franchise record for most in-completions in a game with 30, and 40% completion percentage. The thing is, this should not be a surprise. Hoyer has an NFL low season completion percentage at 55.7%. Hoyer is ranked 21st in total touchdown passes, 20th in Quarterback Rating and 22nd in QBR. He’s average at best over the course of a full season, and will not win games on his own. This is a reality the Browns are going to have to face.
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I’m not picking on any one player or coach here. The thing is, the Browns have had the same issues virtually all season. They’re ranked 30th against the run over 10 games. They’re starting quarterback is ranked dead last in accuracy, and gets noticably worse the more you ask him to throw. That’s not just guesswork. In games where Hoyer has thrown more than 40 passes, his completion percentage is 45.8%. In games where he’s thrown 30 or more passes, 51%. In the 4 games where Hoyer has thrown under 30 passes, his completion percentage skyrockets to a very respectable 65.59%. That would put Hoyer 9th among active quarterbacks on the season, if he held to that and the Browns kept him at 30 or fewer passes per game.
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