Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer
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As I've said teams only play the run against the Browns. They don't care about Hoyer, he doesn't scare them so they load up against the run. You keep trying to tell me that this isn't the case. Thats your Hoyer love blinding you. Everyone else sees it. Grossi. Hammer. McManamon. Banner. Even bloggers that were once touting Hoyer Destroyer himself....
Keep arguing against reality. Look at the stats below. I've told you all along, since day 1 that history would be kind to my words.
http://dawgpoundnation.com/2014/11/18/browns-loss-to-texans-exposes-problems-that-were-there-all-along/The writing was on the wall for this melt down. The Texans didn’t do anything really different from the script on beating the Browns. They got up early, stuff the box against the run, forced Brian Hoyer to throw a lot of passes. They attacked the Browns defensive line with a high number of rushing attempts. If you can stick to that formula, you will beat the Browns 90% of the time.
The numbers don’t lie. The Texans focused on taking the run away from the Browns early, and like most teams since Alex Mack went down, were successful. Crowell broke loose once for 35 yards, but overall only got 14 touches and 65 yards. Terrance West only got 5 carries for 12 yards, and Ben Tate only 2 carries for -9 yards. Granted, the run game wasn’t great, but the Browns only ran the ball a total of 21 times this game. They threw the ball 50 times. That means they had a 70/30 pass to run split.
The problem is that Brian Hoyer is A.) Not a good enough quarterback to win football games without an effective running game, and B.) Not good enough to throw the ball 50 times in any game, ever. Hoyer set a franchise record for most in-completions in a game with 30, and 40% completion percentage. The thing is, this should not be a surprise. Hoyer has an NFL low season completion percentage at 55.7%. Hoyer is ranked 21st in total touchdown passes, 20th in Quarterback Rating and 22nd in QBR. He’s average at best over the course of a full season, and will not win games on his own. This is a reality the Browns are going to have to face.
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I’m not picking on any one player or coach here. The thing is, the Browns have had the same issues virtually all season. They’re ranked 30th against the run over 10 games. They’re starting quarterback is ranked dead last in accuracy, and gets noticably worse the more you ask him to throw. That’s not just guesswork. In games where Hoyer has thrown more than 40 passes, his completion percentage is 45.8%. In games where he’s thrown 30 or more passes, 51%. In the 4 games where Hoyer has thrown under 30 passes, his completion percentage skyrockets to a very respectable 65.59%. That would put Hoyer 9th among active quarterbacks on the season, if he held to that and the Browns kept him at 30 or fewer passes per game. -
History!!! There it is! BOOM!
That's what l'm talkin' about.
I'm talking Gettysburg, I'm talking the Mayan muthafukkin' empire, and l'm talking about my main man, my main MENSA man, and his gobs and gobs and gobs of words about one dude.
You think that's wierd? It's real fuckin' wierd. But you can't mess with history.
History!!!
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well if we're going to be dumb and look at stats instead of a player's intangibles let's take a look at the advanced stats rankings
Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback 's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 40 players ranked Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI P.Manning DEN 1,004 1 1,063 1 25.9% 2 28.1% 80.0 3 418 3,196 3,549 30 2 0 9 67.6% 7/112 A.Rodgers GB 973 2 975 2 33.0% 1 33.1% 85.9 1 336 2,576 3,100 28 4 1 3 67.2% 5/166 A.Luck IND 965 3 866 3 20.9% 6 17.7% 73.1 7 449 3,312 3,735 28 3 1 10 63.6% 5/104 T.Brady NE 862 4 786 5 22.5% 3 19.5% 75.9 5 377 2,549 3,241 24 1 3 5 64.5% 10/165 B.Roethlisberger PIT 860 5 792 4 19.3% 8 16.8% 71.7 8 439 3,099 3,454 24 2 3 6 69.5% 6/122 D.Brees NO 824 6 777 6 17.9% 9 16.2% 73.5 6 427 2,978 3,410 19 2 2 10 70.2% 6/128 P.Rivers SD 725 7 673 7 22.4% 4 20.1% 80.5 2 349 2,445 2,725 21 4 1 7 67.1% 5/84 B.Hoyer CLE 591 8 565 8 19.7% 7 18.4% 78.9 4 288 2,057 2,346 18 2 1 6 69.2% 4/81 M.Ryan ATL 515 9 560 9 9.3% 11 11.1% 65.1 10 396 2,648 2,728 17 2 1 7 66.2% 3/42 A.Smith KC 460 10 374 12 11.0% 10 6.9% 57.0 19 317 1,880 2,297 12 0 1 4 66.4% 0/0 J.Flacco BAL 448 11 506 10 7.6% 12 10.0% 63.7 14 361 2,405 2,540 17 1 0 8 63.3% 9/189 J.Cutler CHI 368 12 265 15 3.1% 16 -0.9% 59.0 18 399 2,519 2,583 21 2 5 11 67.0% 6/128 T.Romo DAL 355 13 445 11 5.9% 13 10.2% 51.2 25 341 2,442 2,161 11 1 1 5 55.8% 3/32 R.Tannehill MIA 336 14 321 14 2.3% 17 1.7% 54.8 24 377 2,179 2,465 17 1 0 7 65.8% 3/48 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI N.Foles PHI 257 15 223 16 1.5% 18 -0.1% 62.2 15 320 2,099 1,988 13 1 2 10 60.1% 4/113 D.Stanton ARI 253 16 151 21 21.1% 5 8.1% 68.3 9 130 886 977 5 0 0 2 53.6% 2/37 C.Palmer ARI 232 17 366 13 5.0% 14 14.4% 64.8 11 233 1,566 1,473 11 0 1 3 62.9% 4/86 K.Cousins WAS 225 18 173 19 4.8% 15 1.1% 46.9 28 212 1,625 1,434 10 0 2 9 62.1% 3/42 M.Stafford DET 224 19 219 18 -1.9% 19 -2.1% 56.9 20 397 2,493 2,235 13 2 1 9 61.9% 4/48 A.Dalton CIN 155 20 172 20 -3.4% 21 -2.5% 56.0 21 315 2,117 1,824 11 0 1 9 61.7% 5/55 C.Kaepernick SF 155 21 222 17 -4.2% 23 -1.2% 54.9 23 351 2,140 2,013 14 1 2 5 61.0% 4/86 K.Orton BUF 127 22 58 26 -3.0% 20 -7.4% 38.7 34 247 1,454 1,431 10 0 2 3 64.9% 0/0 M.Glennon TB 96 23 113 24 -3.9% 22 -2.6% 56.0 22 219 1,318 1,195 10 2 0 6 57.9% 2/19 R.Fitzpatrick HOU 88 24 133 22 -6.1% 24 -3.6% 45.3 29 275 1,867 1,546 11 3 1 8 62.1% 5/53 E.Manning NYG 50 25 68 25 -9.2% 26 -8.5% 64.0 13 385 2,363 2,126 18 3 2 11 61.4% 8/125 R.Wilson SEA 32 26 126 23 -9.5% 27 -4.6% 60.5 17 312 1,901 1,593 13 4 0 5 62.5% 1/36 C.Whitehurst TEN 18 27 40 27 -8.3% 25 -4.9% 48.6 27 107 707 542 5 1 0 2 60.8% 0/0 M.Sanchez PHI -2 28 -11 28 -11.4% 28 -12.7% 45.1 30 113 786 582 6 2 2 4 59.8% 0/0 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI A.Davis STL -6 29 -65 32 -11.4% 29 -14.3% 37.6 35 312 1,819 1,616 12 2 3 9 63.8% 2/40 J.Locker TEN -25 30 -39 29 -14.4% 30 -16.2% 60.7 16 122 728 584 4 1 0 4 58.0% 1/29 Z.Mettenberger TEN -44 31 -68 33 -17.9% 32 -21.7% 40.5 33 104 710 458 5 0 1 4 61.9% 0/0 EJ Manuel BUF -73 32 -63 31 -19.4% 33 -18.2% 19.8 40 136 785 615 5 1 0 3 58.9% 0/0 M.Vick NYJ -158 34 -154 34 -32.2% 36 -31.7% 33.7 37 114 448 392 3 1 1 1 57.6% 1/32 R.Griffin WAS -180 35 -159 35 -35.3% 40 -32.5% 34.2 36 116 649 359 2 1 0 3 72.7% 0/0 J.McCown TB -202 36 -56 30 -34.2% 38 -17.5% 64.5 12 142 949 423 6 2 0 6 64.9% 0/0 C.Newton CAR -252 37 -193 36 -22.1% 34 -19.5% 48.9 26 365 2,132 1,512 12 2 4 9 58.7% 4/51 D.Carr OAK -146 33 -203 37 -17.2% 31 -19.5% 40.9 32 378 1,993 1,744 13 3 1 9 61.0% 4/84.Smith NYJ -300 38 -288 39 -30.3% 35 -29.6% 27.6 38 248 1,257 853 7 2 1 10 56.7% 0/0 T.Bridgewater MIN -365 39 -260 38 -35.3% 39 -28.3% 40.9 31 244 1,347 719 4 1 0 6 61.2% 1/7 B.Bortles JAC -406 40 -419 40 -32.4% 37 -33.1% 25.6 39 301 1,777 984 8 2 0 14 63.5% 5/54
back to reality... brian hoyer has all the intangibles and make up of a good - maybe great - quarterback. if you want to ignore that and look at stats out of context thats fine for you, your choice. let's see what hoyer does with mack and gordon next season
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well that graph didnt turn out how i thought.....
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jist of it: advanced stats say brian hoyer is the 8th best quarterback in the league... that graph turned out icky
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Clarity.
Amazing post.
Brian Hoyer won't be the starting QB of the Cleveland Browns next year so you won't get a chance to see him with Mack and Gordon. -
Clarity.
Amazing post.
Brian Hoyer won't be the starting QB of the Cleveland Browns next year so you won't get a chance to see him with Mack and Gordon.Clarity.
Amazing post.
Brian Hoyer won't be the starting QB of the Cleveland Browns next year so you won't get a chance to see him with Mack and Gordon.
hahahahahahaahaha whose going to be the QB of the browns than?
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well if we're going to be dumb and look at stats instead of a player's intangibles let's take a look at the advanced stats rankings
Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback 's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 40 players ranked Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI P.Manning DEN 1,004 1 1,063 1 25.9% 2 28.1% 80.0 3 418 3,196 3,549 30 2 0 9 67.6% 7/112 A.Rodgers GB 973 2 975 2 33.0% 1 33.1% 85.9 1 336 2,576 3,100 28 4 1 3 67.2% 5/166 A.Luck IND 965 3 866 3 20.9% 6 17.7% 73.1 7 449 3,312 3,735 28 3 1 10 63.6% 5/104 T.Brady NE 862 4 786 5 22.5% 3 19.5% 75.9 5 377 2,549 3,241 24 1 3 5 64.5% 10/165 B.Roethlisberger PIT 860 5 792 4 19.3% 8 16.8% 71.7 8 439 3,099 3,454 24 2 3 6 69.5% 6/122 D.Brees NO 824 6 777 6 17.9% 9 16.2% 73.5 6 427 2,978 3,410 19 2 2 10 70.2% 6/128 P.Rivers SD 725 7 673 7 22.4% 4 20.1% 80.5 2 349 2,445 2,725 21 4 1 7 67.1% 5/84 B.Hoyer CLE 591 8 565 8 19.7% 7 18.4% 78.9 4 288 2,057 2,346 18 2 1 6 69.2% 4/81 M.Ryan ATL 515 9 560 9 9.3% 11 11.1% 65.1 10 396 2,648 2,728 17 2 1 7 66.2% 3/42 A.Smith KC 460 10 374 12 11.0% 10 6.9% 57.0 19 317 1,880 2,297 12 0 1 4 66.4% 0/0 J.Flacco BAL 448 11 506 10 7.6% 12 10.0% 63.7 14 361 2,405 2,540 17 1 0 8 63.3% 9/189 J.Cutler CHI 368 12 265 15 3.1% 16 -0.9% 59.0 18 399 2,519 2,583 21 2 5 11 67.0% 6/128 T.Romo DAL 355 13 445 11 5.9% 13 10.2% 51.2 25 341 2,442 2,161 11 1 1 5 55.8% 3/32 R.Tannehill MIA 336 14 321 14 2.3% 17 1.7% 54.8 24 377 2,179 2,465 17 1 0 7 65.8% 3/48 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI N.Foles PHI 257 15 223 16 1.5% 18 -0.1% 62.2 15 320 2,099 1,988 13 1 2 10 60.1% 4/113 D.Stanton ARI 253 16 151 21 21.1% 5 8.1% 68.3 9 130 886 977 5 0 0 2 53.6% 2/37 C.Palmer ARI 232 17 366 13 5.0% 14 14.4% 64.8 11 233 1,566 1,473 11 0 1 3 62.9% 4/86 K.Cousins WAS 225 18 173 19 4.8% 15 1.1% 46.9 28 212 1,625 1,434 10 0 2 9 62.1% 3/42 M.Stafford DET 224 19 219 18 -1.9% 19 -2.1% 56.9 20 397 2,493 2,235 13 2 1 9 61.9% 4/48 A.Dalton CIN 155 20 172 20 -3.4% 21 -2.5% 56.0 21 315 2,117 1,824 11 0 1 9 61.7% 5/55 C.Kaepernick SF 155 21 222 17 -4.2% 23 -1.2% 54.9 23 351 2,140 2,013 14 1 2 5 61.0% 4/86 K.Orton BUF 127 22 58 26 -3.0% 20 -7.4% 38.7 34 247 1,454 1,431 10 0 2 3 64.9% 0/0 M.Glennon TB 96 23 113 24 -3.9% 22 -2.6% 56.0 22 219 1,318 1,195 10 2 0 6 57.9% 2/19 R.Fitzpatrick HOU 88 24 133 22 -6.1% 24 -3.6% 45.3 29 275 1,867 1,546 11 3 1 8 62.1% 5/53 E.Manning NYG 50 25 68 25 -9.2% 26 -8.5% 64.0 13 385 2,363 2,126 18 3 2 11 61.4% 8/125 R.Wilson SEA 32 26 126 23 -9.5% 27 -4.6% 60.5 17 312 1,901 1,593 13 4 0 5 62.5% 1/36 C.Whitehurst TEN 18 27 40 27 -8.3% 25 -4.9% 48.6 27 107 707 542 5 1 0 2 60.8% 0/0 M.Sanchez PHI -2 28 -11 28 -11.4% 28 -12.7% 45.1 30 113 786 582 6 2 2 4 59.8% 0/0 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI A.Davis STL -6 29 -65 32 -11.4% 29 -14.3% 37.6 35 312 1,819 1,616 12 2 3 9 63.8% 2/40 J.Locker TEN -25 30 -39 29 -14.4% 30 -16.2% 60.7 16 122 728 584 4 1 0 4 58.0% 1/29 Z.Mettenberger TEN -44 31 -68 33 -17.9% 32 -21.7% 40.5 33 104 710 458 5 0 1 4 61.9% 0/0 EJ Manuel BUF -73 32 -63 31 -19.4% 33 -18.2% 19.8 40 136 785 615 5 1 0 3 58.9% 0/0 M.Vick NYJ -158 34 -154 34 -32.2% 36 -31.7% 33.7 37 114 448 392 3 1 1 1 57.6% 1/32 R.Griffin WAS -180 35 -159 35 -35.3% 40 -32.5% 34.2 36 116 649 359 2 1 0 3 72.7% 0/0 J.McCown TB -202 36 -56 30 -34.2% 38 -17.5% 64.5 12 142 949 423 6 2 0 6 64.9% 0/0 C.Newton CAR -252 37 -193 36 -22.1% 34 -19.5% 48.9 26 365 2,132 1,512 12 2 4 9 58.7% 4/51 D.Carr OAK -146 33 -203 37 -17.2% 31 -19.5% 40.9 32 378 1,993 1,744 13 3 1 9 61.0% 4/84.Smith NYJ -300 38 -288 39 -30.3% 35 -29.6% 27.6 38 248 1,257 853 7 2 1 10 56.7% 0/0 T.Bridgewater MIN -365 39 -260 38 -35.3% 39 -28.3% 40.9 31 244 1,347 719 4 1 0 6 61.2% 1/7 B.Bortles JAC -406 40 -419 40 -32.4% 37 -33.1% 25.6 39 301 1,777 984 8 2 0 14 63.5% 5/54
back to reality... brian hoyer has all the intangibles and make up of a good - maybe great - quarterback. if you want to ignore that and look at stats out of context thats fine for you, your choice. let's see what hoyer does with mack and gordon next season
well if we're going to be dumb and look at stats instead of a player's intangibles let's take a look at the advanced stats rankings
Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback 's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 40 players ranked Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI P.Manning DEN 1,004 1 1,063 1 25.9% 2 28.1% 80.0 3 418 3,196 3,549 30 2 0 9 67.6% 7/112 A.Rodgers GB 973 2 975 2 33.0% 1 33.1% 85.9 1 336 2,576 3,100 28 4 1 3 67.2% 5/166 A.Luck IND 965 3 866 3 20.9% 6 17.7% 73.1 7 449 3,312 3,735 28 3 1 10 63.6% 5/104 T.Brady NE 862 4 786 5 22.5% 3 19.5% 75.9 5 377 2,549 3,241 24 1 3 5 64.5% 10/165 B.Roethlisberger PIT 860 5 792 4 19.3% 8 16.8% 71.7 8 439 3,099 3,454 24 2 3 6 69.5% 6/122 D.Brees NO 824 6 777 6 17.9% 9 16.2% 73.5 6 427 2,978 3,410 19 2 2 10 70.2% 6/128 P.Rivers SD 725 7 673 7 22.4% 4 20.1% 80.5 2 349 2,445 2,725 21 4 1 7 67.1% 5/84 B.Hoyer CLE 591 8 565 8 19.7% 7 18.4% 78.9 4 288 2,057 2,346 18 2 1 6 69.2% 4/81 M.Ryan ATL 515 9 560 9 9.3% 11 11.1% 65.1 10 396 2,648 2,728 17 2 1 7 66.2% 3/42 A.Smith KC 460 10 374 12 11.0% 10 6.9% 57.0 19 317 1,880 2,297 12 0 1 4 66.4% 0/0 J.Flacco BAL 448 11 506 10 7.6% 12 10.0% 63.7 14 361 2,405 2,540 17 1 0 8 63.3% 9/189 J.Cutler CHI 368 12 265 15 3.1% 16 -0.9% 59.0 18 399 2,519 2,583 21 2 5 11 67.0% 6/128 T.Romo DAL 355 13 445 11 5.9% 13 10.2% 51.2 25 341 2,442 2,161 11 1 1 5 55.8% 3/32 R.Tannehill MIA 336 14 321 14 2.3% 17 1.7% 54.8 24 377 2,179 2,465 17 1 0 7 65.8% 3/48 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI N.Foles PHI 257 15 223 16 1.5% 18 -0.1% 62.2 15 320 2,099 1,988 13 1 2 10 60.1% 4/113 D.Stanton ARI 253 16 151 21 21.1% 5 8.1% 68.3 9 130 886 977 5 0 0 2 53.6% 2/37 C.Palmer ARI 232 17 366 13 5.0% 14 14.4% 64.8 11 233 1,566 1,473 11 0 1 3 62.9% 4/86 K.Cousins WAS 225 18 173 19 4.8% 15 1.1% 46.9 28 212 1,625 1,434 10 0 2 9 62.1% 3/42 M.Stafford DET 224 19 219 18 -1.9% 19 -2.1% 56.9 20 397 2,493 2,235 13 2 1 9 61.9% 4/48 A.Dalton CIN 155 20 172 20 -3.4% 21 -2.5% 56.0 21 315 2,117 1,824 11 0 1 9 61.7% 5/55 C.Kaepernick SF 155 21 222 17 -4.2% 23 -1.2% 54.9 23 351 2,140 2,013 14 1 2 5 61.0% 4/86 K.Orton BUF 127 22 58 26 -3.0% 20 -7.4% 38.7 34 247 1,454 1,431 10 0 2 3 64.9% 0/0 M.Glennon TB 96 23 113 24 -3.9% 22 -2.6% 56.0 22 219 1,318 1,195 10 2 0 6 57.9% 2/19 R.Fitzpatrick HOU 88 24 133 22 -6.1% 24 -3.6% 45.3 29 275 1,867 1,546 11 3 1 8 62.1% 5/53 E.Manning NYG 50 25 68 25 -9.2% 26 -8.5% 64.0 13 385 2,363 2,126 18 3 2 11 61.4% 8/125 R.Wilson SEA 32 26 126 23 -9.5% 27 -4.6% 60.5 17 312 1,901 1,593 13 4 0 5 62.5% 1/36 C.Whitehurst TEN 18 27 40 27 -8.3% 25 -4.9% 48.6 27 107 707 542 5 1 0 2 60.8% 0/0 M.Sanchez PHI -2 28 -11 28 -11.4% 28 -12.7% 45.1 30 113 786 582 6 2 2 4 59.8% 0/0 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI A.Davis STL -6 29 -65 32 -11.4% 29 -14.3% 37.6 35 312 1,819 1,616 12 2 3 9 63.8% 2/40 J.Locker TEN -25 30 -39 29 -14.4% 30 -16.2% 60.7 16 122 728 584 4 1 0 4 58.0% 1/29 Z.Mettenberger TEN -44 31 -68 33 -17.9% 32 -21.7% 40.5 33 104 710 458 5 0 1 4 61.9% 0/0 EJ Manuel BUF -73 32 -63 31 -19.4% 33 -18.2% 19.8 40 136 785 615 5 1 0 3 58.9% 0/0 D.Carr OAK -146 33 -203 37 -17.2% 31 -19.5% 40.9 32 378 1,993 1,744 13 3 1 9 61.0% 4/84 M.Vick NYJ -158 34 -154 34 -32.2% 36 -31.7% 33.7 37 114 448 392 3 1 1 1 57.6% 1/32 R.Griffin WAS -180 35 -159 35 -35.3% 40 -32.5% 34.2 36 116 649 359 2 1 0 3 72.7% 0/0 J.McCown TB -202 36 -56 30 -34.2% 38 -17.5% 64.5 12 142 949 423 6 2 0 6 64.9% 0/0 C.Newton CAR -252 37 -193 36 -22.1% 34 -19.5% 48.9 26 365 2,132 1,512 12 2 4 9 58.7% 4/51 G.Smith NYJ -300 38 -288 39 -30.3% 35 -29.6% 27.6 38 248 1,257 853 7 2 1 10 56.7% 0/0 T.Bridgewater MIN -365 39 -260 38 -35.3% 39 -28.3% 40.9 31 244 1,347 719 4 1 0 6 61.2% 1/7 B.Bortles JAC -406 40 -419 40 -32.4% 37 -33.1% 25.6 39 301 1,777 984 8 2 0 14 63.5% 5/54back to reality... brian hoyer has all the intangibles and make up of a good - maybe great - quarterback. if you want to ignore that and look at stats out of context thats fine for you, your choice. let's see what hoyer does with mack and gordon next season
jist of it: advanced stats say brian hoyer is the 8th best quarterback in the league... that graph turned out icky
Umm if you have to lie then just forget it.
You clearly posted the Football Outsiders DYAR statistic, where Hoyer is 13th. You literally switched Hoyer and Romos Names. It does note Hoyers QBR is 25th in the league.
You can find that exact, correct, chart here....
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well if we're going to be dumb and look at stats instead of a player's intangibles let's take a look at the advanced stats rankings
Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback 's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage. DYAR (and its cousin, YAR, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations. The more positive the DVOA rating, the better the player's performance. Negative DVOA represents below-average offense. DVOA (and its cousin, VOA, which isn't adjusted based on opponent) is further explained here.
PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 40 players ranked Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI P.Manning DEN 1,004 1 1,063 1 25.9% 2 28.1% 80.0 3 418 3,196 3,549 30 2 0 9 67.6% 7/112 A.Rodgers GB 973 2 975 2 33.0% 1 33.1% 85.9 1 336 2,576 3,100 28 4 1 3 67.2% 5/166 A.Luck IND 965 3 866 3 20.9% 6 17.7% 73.1 7 449 3,312 3,735 28 3 1 10 63.6% 5/104 T.Brady NE 862 4 786 5 22.5% 3 19.5% 75.9 5 377 2,549 3,241 24 1 3 5 64.5% 10/165 B.Roethlisberger PIT 860 5 792 4 19.3% 8 16.8% 71.7 8 439 3,099 3,454 24 2 3 6 69.5% 6/122 D.Brees NO 824 6 777 6 17.9% 9 16.2% 73.5 6 427 2,978 3,410 19 2 2 10 70.2% 6/128 P.Rivers SD 725 7 673 7 22.4% 4 20.1% 80.5 2 349 2,445 2,725 21 4 1 7 67.1% 5/84 B.Hoyer CLE 591 8 565 8 19.7% 7 18.4% 78.9 4 288 2,057 2,346 18 2 1 6 69.2% 4/81 M.Ryan ATL 515 9 560 9 9.3% 11 11.1% 65.1 10 396 2,648 2,728 17 2 1 7 66.2% 3/42 A.Smith KC 460 10 374 12 11.0% 10 6.9% 57.0 19 317 1,880 2,297 12 0 1 4 66.4% 0/0 J.Flacco BAL 448 11 506 10 7.6% 12 10.0% 63.7 14 361 2,405 2,540 17 1 0 8 63.3% 9/189 J.Cutler CHI 368 12 265 15 3.1% 16 -0.9% 59.0 18 399 2,519 2,583 21 2 5 11 67.0% 6/128 T.Romo DAL 355 13 445 11 5.9% 13 10.2% 51.2 25 341 2,442 2,161 11 1 1 5 55.8% 3/32 R.Tannehill MIA 336 14 321 14 2.3% 17 1.7% 54.8 24 377 2,179 2,465 17 1 0 7 65.8% 3/48 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI N.Foles PHI 257 15 223 16 1.5% 18 -0.1% 62.2 15 320 2,099 1,988 13 1 2 10 60.1% 4/113 D.Stanton ARI 253 16 151 21 21.1% 5 8.1% 68.3 9 130 886 977 5 0 0 2 53.6% 2/37 C.Palmer ARI 232 17 366 13 5.0% 14 14.4% 64.8 11 233 1,566 1,473 11 0 1 3 62.9% 4/86 K.Cousins WAS 225 18 173 19 4.8% 15 1.1% 46.9 28 212 1,625 1,434 10 0 2 9 62.1% 3/42 M.Stafford DET 224 19 219 18 -1.9% 19 -2.1% 56.9 20 397 2,493 2,235 13 2 1 9 61.9% 4/48 A.Dalton CIN 155 20 172 20 -3.4% 21 -2.5% 56.0 21 315 2,117 1,824 11 0 1 9 61.7% 5/55 C.Kaepernick SF 155 21 222 17 -4.2% 23 -1.2% 54.9 23 351 2,140 2,013 14 1 2 5 61.0% 4/86 K.Orton BUF 127 22 58 26 -3.0% 20 -7.4% 38.7 34 247 1,454 1,431 10 0 2 3 64.9% 0/0 M.Glennon TB 96 23 113 24 -3.9% 22 -2.6% 56.0 22 219 1,318 1,195 10 2 0 6 57.9% 2/19 R.Fitzpatrick HOU 88 24 133 22 -6.1% 24 -3.6% 45.3 29 275 1,867 1,546 11 3 1 8 62.1% 5/53 E.Manning NYG 50 25 68 25 -9.2% 26 -8.5% 64.0 13 385 2,363 2,126 18 3 2 11 61.4% 8/125 R.Wilson SEA 32 26 126 23 -9.5% 27 -4.6% 60.5 17 312 1,901 1,593 13 4 0 5 62.5% 1/36 C.Whitehurst TEN 18 27 40 27 -8.3% 25 -4.9% 48.6 27 107 707 542 5 1 0 2 60.8% 0/0 M.Sanchez PHI -2 28 -11 28 -11.4% 28 -12.7% 45.1 30 113 786 582 6 2 2 4 59.8% 0/0 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI A.Davis STL -6 29 -65 32 -11.4% 29 -14.3% 37.6 35 312 1,819 1,616 12 2 3 9 63.8% 2/40 J.Locker TEN -25 30 -39 29 -14.4% 30 -16.2% 60.7 16 122 728 584 4 1 0 4 58.0% 1/29 Z.Mettenberger TEN -44 31 -68 33 -17.9% 32 -21.7% 40.5 33 104 710 458 5 0 1 4 61.9% 0/0 EJ Manuel BUF -73 32 -63 31 -19.4% 33 -18.2% 19.8 40 136 785 615 5 1 0 3 58.9% 0/0 D.Carr OAK -146 33 -203 37 -17.2% 31 -19.5% 40.9 32 378 1,993 1,744 13 3 1 9 61.0% 4/84 M.Vick NYJ -158 34 -154 34 -32.2% 36 -31.7% 33.7 37 114 448 392 3 1 1 1 57.6% 1/32 R.Griffin WAS -180 35 -159 35 -35.3% 40 -32.5% 34.2 36 116 649 359 2 1 0 3 72.7% 0/0 J.McCown TB -202 36 -56 30 -34.2% 38 -17.5% 64.5 12 142 949 423 6 2 0 6 64.9% 0/0 C.Newton CAR -252 37 -193 36 -22.1% 34 -19.5% 48.9 26 365 2,132 1,512 12 2 4 9 58.7% 4/51 G.Smith NYJ -300 38 -288 39 -30.3% 35 -29.6% 27.6 38 248 1,257 853 7 2 1 10 56.7% 0/0 T.Bridgewater MIN -365 39 -260 38 -35.3% 39 -28.3% 40.9 31 244 1,347 719 4 1 0 6 61.2% 1/7 B.Bortles JAC -406 40 -419 40 -32.4% 37 -33.1% 25.6 39 301 1,777 984 8 2 0 14 63.5% 5/54back to reality... brian hoyer has all the intangibles and make up of a good - maybe great - quarterback. if you want to ignore that and look at stats out of context thats fine for you, your choice. let's see what hoyer does with mack and gordon next season
jist of it: advanced stats say brian hoyer is the 8th best quarterback in the league... that graph turned out icky
Umm if you have to lie then just forget it.
You clearly posted the Football Outsiders DYAR statistic, where Hoyer is 13th. You literally switched Hoyer and Romos Names. It does note Hoyers QBR is 25th in the league.
You can find that exact, correct, chart here....
Umm if you have to lie then just forget it.
You clearly posted the Football Outsiders DYAR statistic, where Hoyer is 13th. You literally switched Hoyer and Romos Names. It does note Hoyers QBR is 25th in the league.
You can find that exact, correct, chart here....
yup thats it. dont know what happened. operating this stuff on my phone got all fucked up.
and i'll take 13 especially after sunday's game. should be alot higher by end of season with gordon back
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Umm if you have to lie then just forget it.
You clearly posted the Football Outsiders DYAR statistic, where Hoyer is 13th. You literally switched Hoyer and Romos Names. It does note Hoyers QBR is 25th in the league.
You can find that exact, correct, chart here....
yup thats it. dont know what happened. operating this stuff on my phone got all fucked up.
and i'll take 13 especially after sunday's game. should be alot higher by end of season with gordon back
yup thats it. dont know what happened. operating this stuff on my phone got all fucked up.
Right. You everything else was in order, just magically Hoyers name got moved up 5 spots and his QBR got moved up 21 spots because of your phone......
What a happy coincidence for you.
Good thing I was able to straighten it out huh?
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yup thats it. dont know what happened. operating this stuff on my phone got all fucked up.
Right. You everything else was in order, just magically Hoyers name got moved up 5 spots and his QBR got moved up 21 spots because of your phone......
What a happy coincidence for you.
Good thing I was able to straighten it out huh?
Right. You everything else was in order, just magically Hoyers name got moved up 5 spots and his QBR got moved up 21 spots because of your phone......
What a happy coincidence for you.
Good thing I was able to straighten it out huh?
the stuff had breaks in it and i tried to fix it and put it back together and got frustrated and i dont really know how to explain it. it looks bad i guess lol
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PASSING: Minimum 100 passes, 40 players ranked Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI P.Manning DEN 1,004 1 1,063 1 25.9% 2 28.1% 80.0 3 418 3,196 3,549 30 2 0 9 67.6% 7/112 A.Rodgers GB 973 2 975 2 33.0% 1 33.1% 85.9 1 336 2,576 3,100 28 4 1 3 67.2% 5/166 A.Luck IND 965 3 866 3 20.9% 6 17.7% 73.1 7 449 3,312 3,735 28 3 1 10 63.6% 5/104 T.Brady NE 862 4 786 5 22.5% 3 19.5% 75.9 5 377 2,549 3,241 24 1 3 5 64.5% 10/165 B.Roethlisberger PIT 860 5 792 4 19.3% 8 16.8% 71.7 8 439 3,099 3,454 24 2 3 6 69.5% 6/122 D.Brees NO 824 6 777 6 17.9% 9 16.2% 73.5 6 427 2,978 3,410 19 2 2 10 70.2% 6/128 P.Rivers SD 725 7 673 7 22.4% 4 20.1% 80.5 2 349 2,445 2,725 21 4 1 7 67.1% 5/84 T.Romo DAL 591 8 565 8 19.7% 7 18.4% 78.9 4 288 2,057 2,346 18 2 1 6 69.2% 4/81 M.Ryan ATL 515 9 560 9 9.3% 11 11.1% 65.1 10 396 2,648 2,728 17 2 1 7 66.2% 3/42 A.Smith KC 460 10 374 12 11.0% 10 6.9% 57.0 19 317 1,880 2,297 12 0 1 4 66.4% 0/0 J.Flacco BAL 448 11 506 10 7.6% 12 10.0% 63.7 14 361 2,405 2,540 17 1 0 8 63.3% 9/189 J.Cutler CHI 368 12 265 15 3.1% 16 -0.9% 59.0 18 399 2,519 2,583 21 2 5 11 67.0% 6/128 B.Hoyer CLE 355 13 445 11 5.9% 13 10.2% 51.2 25 341 2,442 2,161 11 1 1 5 55.8% 3/32 R.Tannehill MIA 336 14 321 14 2.3% 17 1.7% 54.8 24 377 2,179 2,465 17 1 0 7 65.8% 3/48 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI N.Foles PHI 257 15 223 16 1.5% 18 -0.1% 62.2 15 320 2,099 1,988 13 1 2 10 60.1% 4/113 D.Stanton ARI 253 16 151 21 21.1% 5 8.1% 68.3 9 130 886 977 5 0 0 2 53.6% 2/37 C.Palmer ARI 232 17 366 13 5.0% 14 14.4% 64.8 11 233 1,566 1,473 11 0 1 3 62.9% 4/86 K.Cousins WAS 225 18 173 19 4.8% 15 1.1% 46.9 28 212 1,625 1,434 10 0 2 9 62.1% 3/42 M.Stafford DET 224 19 219 18 -1.9% 19 -2.1% 56.9 20 397 2,493 2,235 13 2 1 9 61.9% 4/48 A.Dalton CIN 155 20 172 20 -3.4% 21 -2.5% 56.0 21 315 2,117 1,824 11 0 1 9 61.7% 5/55 C.Kaepernick SF 155 21 222 17 -4.2% 23 -1.2% 54.9 23 351 2,140 2,013 14 1 2 5 61.0% 4/86 K.Orton BUF 127 22 58 26 -3.0% 20 -7.4% 38.7 34 247 1,454 1,431 10 0 2 3 64.9% 0/0 M.Glennon TB 96 23 113 24 -3.9% 22 -2.6% 56.0 22 219 1,318 1,195 10 2 0 6 57.9% 2/19 R.Fitzpatrick HOU 88 24 133 22 -6.1% 24 -3.6% 45.3 29 275 1,867 1,546 11 3 1 8 62.1% 5/53 E.Manning NYG 50 25 68 25 -9.2% 26 -8.5% 64.0 13 385 2,363 2,126 18 3 2 11 61.4% 8/125 R.Wilson SEA 32 26 126 23 -9.5% 27 -4.6% 60.5 17 312 1,901 1,593 13 4 0 5 62.5% 1/36 C.Whitehurst TEN 18 27 40 27 -8.3% 25 -4.9% 48.6 27 107 707 542 5 1 0 2 60.8% 0/0 M.Sanchez PHI -2 28 -11 28 -11.4% 28 -12.7% 45.1 30 113 786 582 6 2 2 4 59.8% 0/0 Player Team DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds TD FK FL INT C% DPI A.Davis STL -6 29 -65 32 -11.4% 29 -14.3% 37.6 35 312 1,819 1,616 12 2 3 9 63.8% 2/40 J.Locker TEN -25 30 -39 29 -14.4% 30 -16.2% 60.7 16 122 728 584 4 1 0 4 58.0% 1/29 Z.Mettenberger TEN -44 31 -68 33 -17.9% 32 -21.7% 40.5 33 104 710 458 5 0 1 4 61.9% 0/0 EJ Manuel BUF -73 32 -63 31 -19.4% 33 -18.2% 19.8 40 136 785 615 5 1 0 3 58.9% 0/0 D.Carr OAK -146 33 -203 37 -17.2% 31 -19.5% 40.9 32 378 1,993 1,744 13 3 1 9 61.0% 4/84 M.Vick NYJ -158 34 -154 34 -32.2% 36 -31.7% 33.7 37 114 448 392 3 1 1 1 57.6% 1/32 R.Griffin WAS -180 35 -159 35 -35.3% 40 -32.5% 34.2 36 116 649 359 2 1 0 3 72.7% 0/0 J.McCown TB -202 36 -56 30 -34.2% 38 -17.5% 64.5 12 142 949 423 6 2 0 6 64.9% 0/0 C.Newton CAR -252 37 -193 36 -22.1% 34 -19.5% 48.9 26 365 2,132 1,512 12 2 4 9 58.7% 4/51 G.Smith NYJ -300 38 -288 39 -30.3% 35 -29.6% 27.6 38 248 1,257 853 7 2 1 10 56.7% 0/0 T.Bridgewater MIN -365 39 -260 38 -35.3% 39 -28.3% 40.9 31 244 1,347 719 4 1 0 6 61.2% 1/7 B.Bortles JAC -406 40 -419 40 -32.4% 37 -33.1% 25.6 39 301 1,777 984 8 2 0 14 63.5% 5/54
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there it is re copy and pasted on my laptop ^ no manual configurations. still looks f'ed up tho
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There's 40 players on that list, so even 13 is in the upper 3rd.
What is your point here again?
I'm kidding! Please don't rehash your point.
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There's 40 players on that list, so even 13 is in the upper 3rd.
What is your point here again?
I'm kidding! Please don't rehash your point.
There's 40 players on that list, so even 13 is in the upper 3rd.
What is your point here again?
I'm kidding! Please don't rehash your point.
will most definitely rise after 6 games with gordon back. i predict top 6-7 next season
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There's 40 players on that list, so even 13 is in the upper 3rd.
What is your point here again?
I'm kidding! Please don't rehash your point.
There's 40 players on that list, so even 13 is in the upper 3rd.
What is your point here again?
I'm kidding! Please don't rehash your point.
Well the fact that you have to scour the internet to find ONE measure that puts Hoyer in the top 3rd (when you include all QBs who have 100 passes as 13th isn't Top 3rd in current starting QBs) and even then you have to lie and say he's 8th while switching his name with Romo to make it look better and ignoring the main statistic highlighted in green on that page that puts Hoyer at 25th.....is pretty much my point.
Thats how not good Hoyer is and how far you have to reach to try and argue against it.
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There's 40 players on that list, so even 13 is in the upper 3rd.
What is your point here again?
I'm kidding! Please don't rehash your point.
Well the fact that you have to scour the internet to find ONE measure that puts Hoyer in the top 3rd (when you include all QBs who have 100 passes as 13th isn't Top 3rd in current starting QBs) and even then you have to lie and say he's 8th while switching his name with Romo to make it look better and ignoring the main statistic highlighted in green on that page that puts Hoyer at 25th.....is pretty much my point.
Thats how not good Hoyer is and how far you have to reach to try and argue against it.
Well the fact that you have to scour the internet to find ONE measure that puts Hoyer in the top 3rd (when you include all QBs who have 100 passes as 13th isn't Top 3rd in current starting QBs) and even then you have to lie and say he's 8th while switching his name with Romo to make it look better and ignoring the main statistic highlighted in green on that page that puts Hoyer at 25th.....is pretty much my point.
Thats how not good Hoyer is and how far you have to reach to try and argue against it.
i reached absolutely nowhere. (btw, like i said it got all f'd up on my phone and i tried to manually shuffle it back into place, either way who cares) you were posting pointless stats and i did one quick 5 second google search for advanced, adjusted stats for a QB. brian hoyer has the intangibles and makeup of a good to maybe great quarterback.. stats are literally the enemy of sports because of all the autistic black and white Retards in this world. if you're so into stats, his stats will start to show as the offense rounds out into an actual offense capable of winning football games. stats for a quarterback do not stay consistent with different environments. example, matt cassel in new england and matt cassel elsewhere... matt flynn in green bay and matt flynn elsewhere. next year brian hoyer is going to light it up in your precious stat sheet
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There's 40 players on that list, so even 13 is in the upper 3rd.
What is your point here again?
I'm kidding! Please don't rehash your point.
Well the fact that you have to scour the internet to find ONE measure that puts Hoyer in the top 3rd (when you include all QBs who have 100 passes as 13th isn't Top 3rd in current starting QBs) and even then you have to lie and say he's 8th while switching his name with Romo to make it look better and ignoring the main statistic highlighted in green on that page that puts Hoyer at 25th.....is pretty much my point.
Thats how not good Hoyer is and how far you have to reach to try and argue against it.
You're talking to 2 different people here man. I'm just the guy pointing out what you pointed out in the first place. Gonna revoke that Mensa membership if you don't get your shit together.Well the fact that you have to scour the internet to find ONE measure that puts Hoyer in the top 3rd (when you include all QBs who have 100 passes as 13th isn't Top 3rd in current starting QBs) and even then you have to lie and say he's 8th while switching his name with Romo to make it look better and ignoring the main statistic highlighted in green on that page that puts Hoyer at 25th.....is pretty much my point.
Thats how not good Hoyer is and how far you have to reach to try and argue against it.
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Hold the fuck up, this dumb mother fucker has a Mensa card?
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